Looks like the Winston magic is over

[80_86]

The dude is a great QB but his team is not. I understand why they were in the playoff but TCU should have been there if you were picking the 4 best teams. Imagine a TCU/Oregon game?

I know we're supposed to pull for our ACC brothers but I am enjoying this Oregon beatdown on the 'Noles. All the lucky breaks they got all year are to no avail against a team like the Ducks. Again, Winston is a special QB and will be a NFL star if he stays out of trouble. But Oregon is in a different league and they are proving it.

 

[zipp_rivals]

********. This was a ballgame until FSU started turning the ball over on every series.

Go Noles, and go ACC!...

 

[Squiffynole]

We've had plenty of chances, lots of self destruction, and Oregon is very good.

 

[CardsDan]

I'm always pulling for our conference mates but I hope to see Oregon win it all now.

 

[Majestic Red_rivals]

Can't say I'm surprised by the outcome; FSU has been dancing on a tight rope most of the season. I was still rooting for them, though.

This post was edited on 1/1 10:29 PM by Majestic Red

 

[PushupMan]

Deceptively big margin of victory. Oregon was the better team, but turnovers made it a blow out.

 

[80_86]

They weren't fluke turnovers or lucky bounces. Oregon caused the fumbles and deflected the INT. They weren't TO's like bad snaps or receievers dropping passes into defenders hands. Don't quite understand how forcing turnovers are not part of a teams dominance. We Cards fans surely gave credit to our defense with all those INT's.

FSU couldn't stop Oregon on offense. Even without the TO's, the Ducks were going to win this game big.

 

[Knucklehank1]

Originally posted by 80,86:

They weren't fluke turnovers or lucky bounces. Oregon caused the fumbles and deflected the INT. They weren't TO's like bad snaps or receievers dropping passes into defenders hands. Don't quite understand how forcing turnovers are not part of a teams dominance. We Cards fans surely gave credit to our defense with all those INT's.

FSU couldn't stop Oregon on offense. Even without the TO's, the Ducks were going to win this game big.

Turnovers are an interesting thing. In football the correlation between turnover margin and winning/losing is very high. However turnovers, especially fumble recoveries, can be misleading. If your defense forces lots of fumbles, that's a skill. If your offense avoids fumbles, that's a skill. But recovering the fumbles is not a skill; rather, it's simply a matter of whether the pigskin happened to be in a spot where you could fall on it first. In this particular game FSU lost 4 fumbles, one of which was returned for a touchdown. That was more bad-luck than great skill on Oregon's part. To put this more in coaching terms, there isn't any coach out there that can "draw up" a fumble forcing defense. They can teach the players to strip the ball, but there isn't anything schematically that will increase the likelihood of a fumble or even more so increase the likelihood that they would even recover that fumble on any given play.

There are things schematically that a defense can do that can increase the likelihood of an interception. However more often than even interceptions are products of luck. For instance the interception that Oregon got was a pass that was deflected at the line and then went through the hands of the receiver. There really wasn't any skill or scheme that produced that result.

 

[zipp_rivals]

Originally posted by 80,86:
They weren't fluke turnovers or lucky bounces. Oregon caused the fumbles and deflected the INT. They weren't TO's like bad snaps or receievers dropping passes into defenders hands. Don't quite understand how forcing turnovers are not part of a teams dominance. We Cards fans surely gave credit to our defense with all those INT's.

FSU couldn't stop Oregon on offense. Even without the TO's, the Ducks were going to win this game big. If you don't like FSU, start a thread that says "I don't like the Noles", and give your reasons why...which we'll debate. Don't start out talking about the game, and then get around to your underlying agenda.

Same goes for U of L subjects. State your point, then present your evidence. Don't backdoor your way into your point...

This post was edited on 1/2 12:20 AM by zipp

 

[BooneCo_Card]

Originally posted by 80,86:

They weren't fluke turnovers or lucky bounces. Oregon caused the fumbles and deflected the INT. They weren't TO's like bad snaps or receievers dropping passes into defenders hands. Don't quite understand how forcing turnovers are not part of a teams dominance. We Cards fans surely gave credit to our defense with all those INT's.

FSU couldn't stop Oregon on offense. Even without the TO's, the Ducks were going to win this game big.

Don't know what game you watched, but it was FSU 25-20 midway through the 3rd quarter. I fail to see how Oregon was going to win big w/o the turnovers.

 

[80_86]

Originally posted by zipp:

Originally posted by 80,86:
They weren't fluke turnovers or lucky bounces. Oregon caused the fumbles and deflected the INT. They weren't TO's like bad snaps or receievers dropping passes into defenders hands. Don't quite understand how forcing turnovers are not part of a teams dominance. We Cards fans surely gave credit to our defense with all those INT's.

FSU couldn't stop Oregon on offense. Even without the TO's, the Ducks were going to win this game big.

If you don't like FSU, start a thread that says "I don't like the Noles", and give your reasons why...which we'll debate. Don't start out talking about the game, and then get around to your underlying agenda.

Same goes for U of L subjects. State your point, then present your evidence. Don't backdoor your way into your point...

This post was edited on 1/2 12:20 AM by zipp

For starters, I can do what I damn well please. Who in the hell are you anyway? And what do you think you know? I didn't start this thread because I don't like FSU. They are like any other traditional program as far as I'm concerned. I was also happy to see Alabama lose tonight, even though I don't care much for OSU either. The point of my thread was that whatever magic that FSU obviously had this season was over. Now you can call it something else. I don't really give a damn. All I know is Oregon thrashed them and I have no problem in saying that. Oregon hasn't won a national title in football and even though they have been a powerhouse the past few years, they are nothing as traditional as FSU, Alabama, and OSU;

I think it's hilarious how you and others act like you know everything about other posters and their motivations. Can't someone not be on the same page as the super smart zipp? Do we have to follow your instructions just so we can post our opinions on a message board? Sorry buddy, but I'm going to post the way I want to post and I don't give a rats *** what you think my reasoning is. I will be pulling for Oregon against OSU and if and when I decide to post a comment about that game, you can always choose the ignore option. I mean you already got me figured out anyway.

 

[80_86]

Originally posted by BooneCo_Card:

Originally posted by 80,86:

They weren't fluke turnovers or lucky bounces. Oregon caused the fumbles and deflected the INT. They weren't TO's like bad snaps or receievers dropping passes into defenders hands. Don't quite understand how forcing turnovers are not part of a teams dominance. We Cards fans surely gave credit to our defense with all those INT's.

FSU couldn't stop Oregon on offense. Even without the TO's, the Ducks were going to win this game big.

Don't know what game you watched, but it was FSU 25-20 midway through the 3rd quarter. I fail to see how Oregon was going to win big w/o the turnovers.

Must of been a totally different game for sure. FSU 25-20? Kind of hard for that when FSU only scored 20 in the entire game that I was watching. Oh, and Oregon ended up with 641 total yards of offense and most of that was not after FSU turnovers.

 

[BooneCo_Card]

80, 86.......Sorry about putting FSU in the lead. It's been a long day. But my point is that FSU was very much in the game at that point after missing opportunities early. They had their chances. played with fire too many times this year and it finally bit them.

 

[zipp_rivals]

Originally posted by 80,86:
For starters, I can do what I damn well please. Who in the hell are you anyway? And what do you think you know?...
I don't know anything about you besides what you post. And which too often I find myself on the other side of, probably because of your convoluted logic or what you think passes as logic.

Anyone who watched that Rose Bowl game and didn't think turnovers played a major part in the outcome doesn't know a damn thing about football. And the turnovers I saw weren't due to athletic plays on balls in the air or a strip of the ball carrier...the situations in which you give the defense some credit.

You probably don't know this, but Oregon's defense isn't nationally ranked. So, there's no reason to attribute those turnovers to a ball-hawking defense. Oregon doesn't have one. They don't COMMIT many turnovers, but that's their offense. You were likely flapping your gums before knowing any of that, which would be par for the course.

Then, you confide how much you "loved the beatdown", verifying what you were seeing vs. what actually happened. The two don't match up.

You for damn sure can say what you want to say. I can for damn sure say what I want about what you say. Wonderful thing about a message board. You can freely make the case that you're an idiot, and then someone is free to remind you of that.

Carry on...

 

[valleystationcard]

Come on.........FSU never had a chance to win this game. They got flustered in the 3rd quarter and made some of the dumbest mistakes you will see, but they are not well coached. Oregon caused most of those turnovers and not FSU just making turnovers. How about when James fumbles the ball backwards. That was actually funny. If you can watch the replay, watch the Referee. The play was so bad he turned himself around and falls down. The Noles just got their just dessert in this one. And then very few players would walk out on the field and shake hands. That is bush leaque. Well coached teams don't do that.

 

[tkdcoach]

Well, they are in a different league I agree. It's called the Pacific Athletic Conference.

Not sure what the rest of your post is about.

Luckily for the ACC, Notre Dame edged LSU, Georgia Tech emerged as a Top 10 caliber team, and Clemson held court with a solid beat down of Oklahoma.

Louisville? Despite the enthusiasm of a lot of fans behind Bolin's U of K effort he really was our 3rd string QB...talented kid but with a team game planning for him things went quite differently.

 

[ULCard17]

The lack of ball security cost FSU this one. It is one of the fundamentals of football, yet elite teams still overlook it. Oregon forced the turnovers because FSU consistently forgot to secure the ball. No team should turn the ball over that much, especially a championship caliber team.

 

[Porky Pigskin]

FSU has won 29 of its last 30 games. Pretty damn impressive. Although FSU didn't win many games this season in grand fashion, they still found a way to win. That is what great programs do.

As others have mentioned, the turnovers were fatal. Oregon's defense wasn't putting up a lot of resistance against FSU'passing attack.But continuing to turn over the ball and put that high-powered offense back on the field proved too much to overcome.

Here's looking forward to many great battles on the football field between FSU and UL.

 

[Cardsfan62]

Anyway we could put together a football team that runs Ga Tech option and the Oregon no huddle/hurry up ??? I here some innovative mind out there in Div 3 --going --hey what an idea!!

FSU you had a great year--stay strong! You will reload and give us and everyone fits next year.

 

[funnycide_rivals398272]

Five turnovers? That's a LOT of turnovers. It certainly changed the complexity of the game. 29-1 is a heck of a record. I wonder how much he loves baseball. I see him entering the draft though.

 

[80_86]

Originally posted by zipp:

Originally posted by 80,86:
For starters, I can do what I damn well please. Who in the hell are you anyway? And what do you think you know?...




I don't know anything about you besides what you post. And which too often I find myself on the other side of, probably because of your convoluted logic or what you think passes as logic.

Anyone who watched that Rose Bowl game and didn't think turnovers played a major part in the outcome doesn't know a damn thing about football. And the turnovers I saw weren't due to athletic plays on balls in the air or a strip of the ball carrier...the situations in which you give the defense some credit.

You probably don't know this, but Oregon's defense isn't nationally ranked. So, there's no reason to attribute those turnovers to a ball-hawking defense. Oregon doesn't have one. They don't COMMIT many turnovers, but that's their offense. You were likely flapping your gums before knowing any of that, which would be par for the course.

Then, you confide how much you "loved the beatdown", verifying what you were seeing vs. what actually happened. The two don't match up.

You for damn sure can say what you want to say. I can for damn sure say what I want about what you say. Wonderful thing about a message board. You can freely make the case that you're an idiot, and then someone is free to remind you of that.

Carry on...

Never once did I say turnovers wasn't a major part of the outcome. That is just you once again applying what you think will make your argument. The whole reason I even started this thread was to talk about how the FSU magic was over. Their continued turnovers was a part of that. If they were playing someone other than Oregon, they may have overcome it anyway like the magic they have had all season.

That was really what I was getting at!

Oregon in my opinion is the best team in America. They still had to score after FSU turned the ball over and it wasn't like they got the ball in the redzone after the turnover. I do know about Oregon's defense and your continued insistance that I don't follow college football is again more nonsense so you can feel superior in your arguments. I watched the game and they caused those turnovers. They hit the ball twice on Dalvin Cook when they tackled him. It wasn't Cook being careless. And they had Winston panicked on that 3rd down he fell backward losing the ball.

All I know had Louisville did the same thing to FSU, you wouldn't be here playing down the turnovers. I know the Cards defense had overall better numbers on the year than Oregon, but we didn't have to play as many high octaine offensives like the Ducks did. Would Nick Chubb get 260 yards against Oregon?

As for being an idiot well there's plenty of people here that think you're an idiot as well. That is a very subjective thing. If being an idiot means I enjoyed watching FSU getting spanked and believed they would have lost big even without the turnovers, then I'm guilty of being an idiot. Going in to that game, I admit wanting Oregon to win, but I was very surprised how dominant Oregon was on both sides of the ball. Thus, my motivation for starting this thread about FSU's lost magic.
This post was edited on 1/2 11:02 PM by 80,86