Hope Frank stays Hart, but I personally don't think Allen and Kennard will be back
Losing nearly everyone...
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Just being a smart *** for a bit, at least that would give us our 6 or 7 man rotation.
No disrespect pisgas but I remember your wife's picture. We would prefer you send her to play in Durham.I'm willing to use my eligibility even though I'd really piss people offhaha!
HAHAHA!!!!! Yeah she'd be a lot better on tvNo disrespect pisgas but I remember your wife's picture. We would prefer you send her to play in Durham.
I'm willing to use my eligibility even though I'd really piss people off
Coach K just needs to play you and you'll be great. That's really all it is....I mean, we'll never see you reach your full potential if you don't play regularly.
I agree, I'm satisfied with the results. People tend to ignore we would be facing superior opponents (and did in the early 2000s) if/when players are forced to stay longer. So I tend to believe the end result would be mostly the same
But as a fan it's just not as enjoyable. The more time that passes since 2015 (meaning more & more OAD flameouts) the less time I personally invest in watching a "6 month rental" of 18 year olds. Personally this also coincides with my decreased interest in the NBA over the past 5 years. Whether Grayson returns or not - Ill always be more interested in his Post Duke life than Jones, Okafor and Winslow.
The ability to reload so quickly/easily with more OAD also cheapens the overall experience. So sometimes failures such as 2017 is needed - next time fans might feel the need to make that 4 hour drive to see a 2nd Round matchup against a 7th seed
Overall I'm satisfied. I don't blame anyone just disappointed CBB is little more than a NBA minor league. Fortunately Duke remains a basketball culture, which is increasingly rare in this sport in comparison to College Football.
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Heard the same. Also heard Brad Stevens will resign from the Celtics before the playoffs to take the Duke job and this will help keep the recruiting class in tact...
We can speculate all day. 2015 Coach K sold the OADs as the way to go period. But now as hard as it is to say Ole Roy is making it hard to argue with keeping a team together for 3-4 years. 2nd FF in a row and will most likely walk away with the hardware this year unless he pulls one of his patented chokes (which I hope dearly happens). So you can stand and argue both points until your blue in the face. I feel theres more security with players that stick around, I played a ton of sports coming up and I certainly know that I was physically and mentally stronger at the ages of 21-22 than I was at the ripe ole age of 18 right out of high school.
I've mentioned it before as a Carolina fan that the recruiting woes of UNC and Roy turned into something really pleasant. I've thoroughly enjoyed watching all these kids grow and mature. Losing last year, imactuslly hurt more for Marcus, Joel James, and Brice, than I did for myself. Of course, that's easy to say when your teams are really good.
On the flip side, what is K supposed to do, not take the top talent? How do you say no to 3-4 of the best players in the country?
See, I see that as so entirely positive that it is almost too bland. Well, yeah, if there was a nuclear war tomorrow, the sun would still come up and the world would continue to turn.
But the idea that we are losing basically every player with any experience is pretty stunning, and can understandably cause some concerned discussion (especially when Carolina is in the final four and the off season is upon us.)
I also disagree with a number of people who seem to believe that Coach K has some grand plan, and all of this was foretold. The Emperor talked about everything proceeding as he had forseen it... how did THAT work out? K is K, but K is still a person managing teenagers, and a lot can happen that he didn't expect, and things can happen that any amount of planning cannot overcome. Remember that team with Ricky Price and Greg Newton and Taymon "Build a statue" Domzalski starting? Sure, K had a plan... but either A) it wasn't that or B) it didn't work out.
Germantown, I disagree that K ever sold OAD as the way to go. We are roughly recruiting the same players we ever have... we are just getting more of them, and OAD has become far more of an expectation. Including this year, we've had a grand total of two years with more than one OAD. Obviously that will change, but I don't think it has really been a grand change in philosophy. I DO think we need to continue to look to get guys who are three and four year guys, to compliment our top talent and help pass on the "Duke Way" to younger guys.
Of course not. You take top guys if they have decent academics and character. What hurts is if we ONLY take such talent, even when there's a roster hole (like having our obvious gap at point guard). There's nothing wrong with stocking up each year with elite talent, but you've got to duct tape in some 3 star role players when necessary. We needed a Tyler Thornton badly the last two seasons. There's really no hiding from that fact. We have the scholarships available.
I go back to my question earlier this week, besides the three we are waiting on who is the staff involved with? I smell trying to get three fifth year guys to come here. Good grief!
Dude, I agree that the other extreme of positivity is bland and kind of like- yeah we get it but...
To your points though here I think looking at it fairly- K did expect a mass exodus this year:
Amile, Matt and Grayson graduate. The plan was for Grayson to graduate and go pro- that's 3.
The assumption is that Tatum, Giles, Bolden are OAD. 2 of those 3 have happened. Now I don't know for a fact that the staff assumed/expected Bolden would be OAD, as much as he did, but it was out there. Bolden might leave anyway, so that "loss" was somewhat expected.
The only ones coming into the year that was not was Luke playing himself into the draft and Jeter possibly transferring (although this was out there since last year). So I'm not calling K a wizard or prophet but the plans were in place for a "mass exodus" from the beginning.
The other part is this OAD talk taking over. Yes we recruit OADs no other way around that. We have had at least one every year since 2011 except one (Mase's senior year). The only year we had multiple was 2015 when we won it all and two guys played themselves into the first round as freshmen. By definition that makes them OAD but I don't see a whole lot of difference between what Justise and Tyus did and what Luke did as a soph. All 3 played themselves into the draft a lot sooner than expected.
The plan is always to surround OAD talents with 3-4 year guys. We did that this year- Amile, Matt, Grayson. We have recruited what we believed to be 3-4 year guys each year- Luke, Chase, Alex O'Connell, Thornton, Semi, Vrank, Javin etc. where your point makes sense is that no K cannot predict when kids will leave bc they either play themselves into the draft like Luke Tyus and Justise, or when they transfer for whatever reasons they have- Semi, Chase, Thornton.
College hoops is volatile today. You plan the best you can, but it's never going to be a perfect science. The only thing you can do is try and get the best talent you can, try and stay healthy and make a run at it. That and hope the NBA changes the rule to let kids go straight to the league.
We all knew the risks of recruiting kids who were only coming because they had to go somewhere.
We also know how frustrated this board was when we didn't target or get that talent and people were ripping players on this board for not being good enough.
Duke will be fine with K leading...but as a fan I've really seen myself drifting for a few years. I love rooting for the kids that develop as players and people over their time.
We will still see the Amiles, Allens, Kennards, Matts but Duke is in a recruiting cycle now where it needs to be more freshman and transfers who...in both cases...wouldn't be freshman at Duke by choice or because the staff hadn't targeted them.
We also know how frustrated this board was when we didn't target or get that talent and people were ripping players on this board for not being good enough.
Duke will be fine with K leading...but as a fan I've really seen myself drifting for a few years. I love rooting for the kids that develop as players and people over their time.
We will still see the Amiles, Allens, Kennards, Matts but Duke is in a recruiting cycle now where it needs to be more freshman and transfers who...in both cases...wouldn't be freshman at Duke by choice or because the staff hadn't targeted them.
Sure, agree on all. I am sure that we were expecting Luke and Chase to be around, and I would expect Frank Jackson as well (I believe he specifically said that his two years at Duke would serve as his mission, no?) Not sure about Bolden... maybe they expected him to be OAD, but if so, AND he basically never played, something was missed?
OC I think is an important pick up... the type of kid who will likely be a longer term player, can help learn and teach the culture, AND can play.
What did Moltke say? No plan survives contact with the enemy?
And Tim, I actually find myself agreeing a bit... I've also been drifting a bit in the last few years. Maybe part of it is just family (two young kids, a working wife, and a job take a lot out of you!) but I wonder if not having all the guys for the usual four years plays a part? Possibly a trade-off to get top talent? (Although damn if Tyus Jones isn't one of my top ten favorite players!)
Maybe it is bland, but I'm not going to gloom and doom if Duke loses everyone and they were to have a losing record. My joy and happiness doesn't depend on whether or not Duke has a good season or not, I enjoy it for sure, but some people need to just RELAX.
Woof, you are a better man than me... I hate when we lose (although not as bad as some.) Maybe my LIFE happiness doesn't hinge on it, but basketball happiness? A bit, sure. (Although actually I don't mind losing if we play a good game.)
Honestly, though, when I think about it, I do wonder if it is LOSING that I don't like, or if it is not living up to expectations? Like, looking at the possiblities of next season... if we bring back nearly no one, I do wonder if a lack of expectations might make for a more enjoyable season? I remember saying to my best friend (another former Tent #1er) before this season that the season would likely be very little fun because of the ridiculous expectations...
I feel ya man, I really do, I hate it myself but over the years have learned to let it go a lot faster than I used too. My biggest thing with a loss now, is hearing the media and the opposing fans in my ear the whole next day.
Wait until your kids get old enough to follow and understand Duke hoops. You'll be just as rabid as you were in 20's! That's where I am now, its very fun.
Dude, I agree family and coaching have impacted my basketball commitment too
Ever since I've had my little girl...I take losing more in stride every season. This year I was the least invested I've been in a Duke team in 20+ years. It is likely a combination of things.
To me Giles is a perfect example. Seems like a great kid and I wish him the best. The question for me is...why did Duke play him?
I never felt he showed ability that gave Duke more then a few others would've in those 5-8 minutes. So did he play because of potential?...because K has always played to win now...not later...and there are tons of cases for that. Or did he play because he was healthy enough to play and getting some time was best for his stock? I don't know and I'm not going to stress on it...just strikes me as an example of how things have changed.
Ever since I've had my little girl...I take losing more in stride every season. This year I was the least invested I've been in a Duke team in 20+ years. It is likely a combination of things.
To me Giles is a perfect example. Seems like a great kid and I wish him the best. The question for me is...why did Duke play him?
I never felt he showed ability that gave Duke more then a few others would've in those 5-8 minutes. So did he play because of potential?...because K has always played to win now...not later...and there are tons of cases for that. Or did he play because he was healthy enough to play and getting some time was best for his stock? I don't know and I'm not going to stress on it...just strikes me as an example of how things have changed.
My 7yr old daughter is gonna go through a deep depression when Luke leaves. I thought it was bad when she was at Cameron to see Duke Women lose to Oregon and she thought Lexie was leaving too. Luke is her world!!!
Hah! Yeah, the kids take away time, but I understand the attachment... my two year old girl actually sits and watches an ENTIRE GAME with me, and my five year old boy, who is the least athletic kid you've ever seen, puts his hands in the air when Luke shoots a three. Plus, he enjoys when that, every time Luke does something, I say (in my best Darth Vader voice) "Luke, I am your father."
I can't see pisgah as as Duke player but he certainly qualify's as the next Duke coach if Coach K will hurry up and retire and put an end to the rumblings. If Coach K would announce today and Duke would announce pisgah's hiring tomorrow would give him time to bring in Duval, Knox and Bamba. Need to move quickly though.
OFCBig Luke Maye well on his way to threatening to tie Laettner for the record 4 straight appearances in a Final 4. He MUST be stopped, somehow.
Lol that would be wild but I think we have too much lack of Depth in the frontcourt and on the wing next year to be a viable contender.
Take it for what it's worth.
@DukeDigest via Twitter: Heard from a source that Bolden was on a flight today heading to Houston. Yesterday was the deadline to withdraw from classes. Just saying.
@DukeDigest via Twitter: Heard from a source that Bolden was on a flight today heading to Houston. Yesterday was the deadline to withdraw from classes. Just saying.
if true....bamba has to see the possibilities of being the center at duke and possibly with duvall/trent/knox/carter.......it was neat seeing bamba/carter/knox/duval on the court together
Other than Jah, what does being a center at Duke mean at this point? Being a ball screen setter and thats it.
The same twitter handle also tweeted out a couple days ago in regards to bolden:
Something tells me we will know soon enough but that is interesting timing that he's flying back to Houston today