Love the OL hire
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I don't know anything about him. What leads you to say he will be good?
I figure its one of two things: they know wolf will be gone next season. They gave him a raise this offseason to fend off another suitor. The alternative is he will slide into the big dawg role and this guy will be the one actually coaching.
If its the latter, i think it will be great. Much as i hate him, the man is an elite recruiter.
Won't help if Stoops is still the HC.
He has been at UK 3 yrs. Who has he brought in that would cause you to think he’s elite? Don’t answer with the couple guys he got to Bama. The only guy I would consider a huge win would be Deone Walker but Stewart sealed the deal there and Wolford left b4 he ever got on campus. Maybe I’m forgetting someone else.
He has been at UK 3 yrs. Who has he brought in that would cause you to think he’s elite? Don’t answer with the couple guys he got to Bama. The only guy I would consider a huge win would be Deone Walker but Stewart sealed the deal there and Wolford left b4 he ever got on campus. Maybe I’m forgetting someone else.
There is a good list. You can google it. He brought in way more top end talent than vince in a fraction of the time.
Hes a snake, but he's a great recruiter.
I guess you eventually have to evaluate the recruiting vs coaching ability. Our line hasn’t played well as a whole in the four years we’ve had Wolford and Yenser, maybe it’s a scheme problem idk. Not saying 4* guys never pan out but several of our higher rated guys have moved on, not sure if it’s improper evaluation or they just don’t fit what we’re trying to do. Guess my point is it doesn’t matter how highly these guys are ranked if they never hit the field. I know Wolford recruits outside of the o-line but I assume he carries the most weight as far as the linemen we bring in, just concerning to me. I’ll also throw in Schlarman put several 2 and 3* guys into the league so the ability to coach guys up seems to be lacking, not just on the line but in our program as a whole. JMO.
Imo scheme was a huge part of it. We had a bunch of big physical ol and stoops let the nfl ocs talk him into going outside zone. Awful fit. Think back to coens first stint. We struggled until he finally gave up and adjusted to the talent and went inside zone.
You can tell this coming season its going back to physical inside zone. Im here for it. That was pur ID and we should've never gone away from it.
Im not saying we shouldn't have hired coen the first time. You have to take that level of genius when you can get him. The second time...we should've passed. Ya he was even more polished genius but you had to know for a fact there was no way we'd get more than a season; and we barely got that.
This year will reveal alot imo. We're going back to physical football with the backs and OL to do it. We really need this to work because its a fairly unique style and can let us compete despite our middling nil situation.
247 lists every recruit he brought in at each school. He is secondary recruiter on most. Like I said Deone is only player on that list that is has done anything at UK.
One article on the hire said he was an offensive analyst. Another said he was replacing Drake. I didn’t know drake left.
Frey has been part of some good teams with good OLs but has bounced around a lot. He has been OL coach, TE Coach, offensive analyst, run game coordinator, co offensive coordinator, assistant head coach, etc but many have been 1-2 yer stops. He went to his Alma mater, FSU as their OL coach and they lead the nation in offense. The next year he was an analyst for UF. He looks like a really good coach but the moving around doesn’t make sense.
Ok so yes he is a top flight recruiter.
I get the guy sucks as a person. I totally agree. I just don't understand the attempt to discredit him professionally. Saban hired him for gods sake. Does anyone doubt Saban has an eye for coaching talent?
I have nothing bad to say about him as a person. Darrin strey is the next best player he got to UK. He is not an elite recruiter, just like Marrow wasn’t. There is zero evidence that he is an elite recruiter. Your comments show that
We repeatedly see OL transfers come here because they wanted Woldford to crawl up their arses and get the most out of them. He is an interesting interview and he has worked for some very good coaches, men who should know. Now, I don’t think his line shined at Bama and last year was not impressive. He kicked ***, however, with Schlarman’s BBL. Let’s see what is produced this year.
I’m going to judge EWs tenure here based on this years OL results at the end of the day. 2021 was JS line. He just rolled with that and to his credit didn’t f… that up. 2024 he got a late start and probably not entirely his fault but I still didn’t see the OL room gel much the coarse of last season.
In 2021 it was all EW.
We had no plan for left tackle. No backup developed the year before. Got Rosental in portal.
We had no plan for center. Wofford moved Fortner from guard to center and made him a draft pick
Needed a replacement for Fortner at guard. Plugged in a redshirt freshman Eli Cox who one person named their mid season all American.
I had to ask my brother wabout Drake and he told me he was the OL coach at Rhode Idland
He has been at UK 3 yrs. Who has he brought in that would cause you to think he’s elite? Don’t answer with the couple guys he got to Bama. The only guy I would consider a huge win would be Deone Walker but Stewart sealed the deal there and Wolford left b4 he ever got on campus. Maybe I’m forgetting someone else.
If you was a paying member you would see the guys he's landed
And he hasn't been at UK 3 years
Where ya been? Lot of college fb programs have assistant OL coaches. Even Eastern KY has one.
Ryan Jackson - Football Coach - Eastern Kentucky University Athletics
Ryan Jackson Assistant Offensive Line Coach
ekusports.com
The OL coach has always had help in coaching the group. 1 coach coaching 15 guys is next to impossible. Even Schlarman had help
We have guys helping coach other positions too.
This guy helps coach the LBs
Joe Scola
ukathletics.com
But what i think it's all about is any thing you guys can point at to tear down Wolf that's what you will do.
It doesn't matter what he accomplishes or brings in as a player. You guys are hate filled for the guy and are incapable of rational thought
He has been at UK 3 yrs. Who has he brought in that would cause you to think he’s elite? Don’t answer with the couple guys he got to Bama. The only guy I would consider a huge win would be Deone Walker but Stewart sealed the deal there and Wolford left b4 he ever got on campus. Maybe I’m forgetting someone else.
Barion Brown
Darrin Strey
Deone Walker
Etc
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Not to mention ormal January stuff. We get to talking and he had already watched (Hunter’s) tape. And he’s like, ‘Man, coach, am I wrong in what I’m seeing?’ He tells me what he sees and I tell him, ‘No coach, you ain’t wrong one bit. You nailed it.’ One thing led to another. The dad told me what they all thought from visiting. He asked me my thoughts on all of that and committing early. I wasn’t surprised and think Kentucky’s got a steal. Kentucky plays high level football but I think he can play just about anywhere.”
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"Wolf and the group of guys there did a good job. Wolf was the main guy. Obviously the offensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach was involved but all my dealings were through Wolf and he did a phenomenal job. We get coaches from every conference known to man and Wolf’s one of the guys I really like to talk to. He’s very good at what he does.”[/COLOR]
He replaced 3 starters on the 2021 team and they was a finalist for the Joe Moore award if I'm not mistaken.
Also at Bama the line improved a good deal from the year before.
You don't know what your talking about
From Kentucky’s on website
[COLOR=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.8)]In his lone season at Kentucky in 2021, he rebuilt an offensive front that lost three starters into a unit that was a finalist for the Joe Moore Award, given annually to the nation’s top offensive line. The Wildcats averaged 5.23 yards per carry that season, while 53.1 percent of their rush attempts went for four yards or more to lead the nation. Two of his players from that season earned All-SEC honors, were drafted and still currently play in the NFL – Luke Fortner (starting center for the Jacksonville Jaguars) and Darian Kinnard (Kansas City Chiefs). Kinnard also won the 2021 SEC Jacobs Blocking Trophy, just the second player in school history to win the award.[/COLOR]
Thanks for proving my point that he isn’t elite. There are very few that are truly considered elite. That doesn’t mean he sucks. Barion brown was a Coen recruit. I mentioned strey but he has never played a down, no idea if he is any better then the last few tackles that left. As I said earlier Deone is the only player he was lead on that had done anything. I have been a paying member and it doesn’t show anymore than what I can see on 247. 247 shows every recruit a coach has landed. The other poster kept saying he was elite and I said show who the guys he had brought in. I had already named the guys you mentioned.
He was here around a year then left for 2 years and now he's been here for like 18 months. Brought in Rosenthal in his first few months the first time he was here. He was pretty good. He has now revamped the line for this season. Brought in some good players on paper. We will see how they look on the field. The OL recruits that are committed now look nice on film.
I’m not saying he sucks but he is not elite. Dare wasn’t a HS recruit and it was nothing like Wolford found this guy and brought him in. The line was good his 1st year because they were all veterans. He has done nothing to show he can develop young guys and develop a line. I hope he gets it done. This year is all older guys, from the portal. At some point you have to get something out of the guys you recruit
good chance the asst, will be the one to "coach up" these guys... from all reports; Wolford is not a great indy coach.
As I said in another post, i guess his detestable personal qualities make people rationalize bashing him as a coach and especially recruiter.
Deonne and barion for sure could've gone anywhere in the country. The fact he was able to get them to uk is extremely impressive, regardless of the hair splitting between elite or not.
The guy sucks as a person, but is a great recruiter. Much better than the one that went down the road.
How do you know he sucks as a person? Taking the Bama job doesn’t make him detestable. Are the local kids that chose to go to Bama over UK crap humans also? I don’t have a problem with him personally. Is he a better recruiter than Vince remains to be seen? I don’t think either is as good as some on here think. Clink was prob the best recruiter UK has had. I’m sure you think he is a detestable horrible human also.
You asked why I’m attacking him professionally. I haven’t seen where one guy has gotten better that he has coached. UK has a monster hole at LT. 3 recruiting cycles later and he still has not brought in a LT, outside of the portal. Sorry a recruiter could atleast get someone even if they sucked to fill the biggest hole at their position group. I would much rather someone question my ability to do my job than act like I’m a crap detestable human for being ambitious
How do you know he sucks as a person? Taking the Bama job doesn’t make him detestable. Are the local kids that chose to go to Bama over UK crap humans also? I don’t have a problem with him personally. Is he a better recruiter than Vince remains to be seen? I don’t think either is as good as some on here think. Clink was prob the best recruiter UK has had. I’m sure you think he is a detestable horrible human also.
You asked why I’m attacking him professionally. I haven’t seen where one guy has gotten better that he has coached. UK has a monster hole at LT. 3 recruiting cycles later and he still has not brought in a LT, outside of the portal. Sorry a recruiter could atleast get someone even if they sucked to fill the biggest hole at their position group. I would much rather someone question my ability to do my job than act like I’m a crap detestable human for being ambitious
Taking the job is one thing. No one would fault him for that. The way he took it is what makes him slime. I don't trust him for one second.
This is his first recruiting cycle because he was re-hired so late. By all accounts, we landed a solid LT in the portal. Its one of the most coveted positions in football and we have mediocre nil.
Just to keep score, we moved the goalposts from he didn't recruit anyone to now "oh ya well he hasnt landed an elite LT in his one recruiting cycle".
Just admit you not liking the guy clouds your objectivity on his value as a coach. Then, start bifurcating your feelings from facts. You can still dislike him but recognize he is valuable.
I’m way over him leaving. I have nothing against him personally. Clink left after the spring right in the thick of recruiting season, was just as bad. But i understand why they left.
According to an insider, they paid big time for Pete and Braun. He said Braun got a major deal. He also said they’re the 2 best looking players on the team. LT is UKs biggest need and they’re having to get one year players from the portal because they can’t recruit or develop a LT.
You count guys that like Brown that was a Coen recruit then say this is his 1st cycle which is BS and he did better last year. Strey is rated better than anyone he got in his full cycle. Though he is still a RT. He was at Bama so he knew the recruits in last years cycle. He got there in dec/han, so he was there for all the major recruiting weekends and visits. He still didn’t get a LT.
There is no recruiting. Only nil. So any discussion on recruiting is really moot because the infrastructure is the most important piece.
Coen didn't recruit at all. Zero. He was good at helping close, no doubt.
Lets say for arguments sake coen did land brown. Deonne was by far a more impressive get. Uk just doesn't get guys like that.
Because he didn't go on the road. The coen glazing on these boards always amazes me. He was a great oc but cmon.
His second stint he took a pic with a qb recruit and brock. That was odd because he started trying to leave very early.