Luck

Secho99

Freshman
Dec 12, 2001
1,843
75
48
I think it's been brought up here before, but after last week's games we now rank 356th of 358 D1 teams on KenPom in regards to our "luck" rating. This refers to how much worse our actual record is compared to what our record should be given our overall offensive and defensive ratings. At 68th overall in KenPom, we're the highest-ranked team in the country that has a sub-.500 record for the season.

This is nothing new, however. We've been ranked well below 300 for the last 5 years now in this luck metric, and we could spend a lot of time debating when luck really isn't luck anymore and how much it points toward deeper issues with coaching, player confidence, etc. That said, anecdotally it does seem like it happens way too often that somebody makes a 3/4-court shot or throws up a prayer with 1 on the shot clock that banks in, or we hear the announcers say something like "that guy was 0 for his last 28 from 3 before that went in!" Or every time we just need one more shot to fall it doesn't go in, despite getting good looks.

So yes, we're unlucky to some extent. But I also feel like this stat could almost be better framed as underachievement vs overachievement. Our results have consistently vastly underperformed our objective true ability, for 5 years now! There's only so much true bad luck that can be involved over that kind of sample size.

Interestingly, the #1 team in luck rating this year is Providence, who held on to beat us after we made a late run. They have marginally better offensive and defensive numbers than us, but they are 18-2 and ranked I think 16th in the polls despite being only 46th in KenPom.
 

NUCat320

Senior
Dec 4, 2005
19,469
495
0
I think you could peg Wisconsin (half court shot, a bailout or two) and Penn State (they stopped missing) to ‘luck’. A play or two that would almost never go the way they did.

But, obviously, if a team is severely “unlucky” (well below 300?!?!), then it’s systemic. Period.
 

phatcat_rivals223240

All-Conference
Nov 5, 2001
18,867
1,035
113
I think you could peg Wisconsin (half court shot, a bailout or two) and Penn State (they stopped missing) to ‘luck’. A play or two that would almost never go the way they did.

But, obviously, if a team is severely “unlucky” (well below 300?!?!), then it’s systemic. Period.
yeah, the same could be said, prior to this year, on a positive side, regarding the football team. In the years 2015 and 2018 combined, we were 19-8, and we had a combined point differential of 26, or less than +1 points per game. We are willing to accept these victories as "hard fought, no mistakes, plays in the clutch", although some of it is also our penchant to have "won close/lost badly".

A team that is well below 300th in any type of positive stat is simply not good.
 

Hungry Jack

All-Conference
Nov 17, 2008
37,176
2,667
67
Every time I think a mediocre team is only through God’s grace shooting the lights out against us, I remind myself that our perimeter defense is not very good.
 

Catdude

Redshirt
Aug 27, 2001
1,001
28
48
Underperformance is probably the better way to look at it. We’re a good team with a bad record. Haven’t we been in the bottom ten percentile for “luck” in each of the past five seasons? That should be impossible. One season like that is bad luck but five in a row is reality.

That’s crazy that we’re still 68 in Ken Pom. What could have been!
 

Secho99

Freshman
Dec 12, 2001
1,843
75
48
I think it's been brought up here before, but after last week's games we now rank 356th of 358 D1 teams on KenPom in regards to our "luck" rating. This refers to how much worse our actual record is compared to what our record should be given our overall offensive and defensive ratings. At 68th overall in KenPom, we're the highest-ranked team in the country that has a sub-.500 record for the season.

This is nothing new, however. We've been ranked well below 300 for the last 5 years now in this luck metric, and we could spend a lot of time debating when luck really isn't luck anymore and how much it points toward deeper issues with coaching, player confidence, etc. That said, anecdotally it does seem like it happens way too often that somebody makes a 3/4-court shot or throws up a prayer with 1 on the shot clock that banks in, or we hear the announcers say something like "that guy was 0 for his last 28 from 3 before that went in!" Or every time we just need one more shot to fall it doesn't go in, despite getting good looks.

So yes, we're unlucky to some extent. But I also feel like this stat could almost be better framed as underachievement vs overachievement. Our results have consistently vastly underperformed our objective true ability, for 5 years now! There's only so much true bad luck that can be involved over that kind of sample size.

Interestingly, the #1 team in luck rating this year is Providence, who held on to beat us after we made a late run. They have marginally better offensive and defensive numbers than us, but they are 18-2 and ranked I think 16th in the polls despite being only 46th in KenPom.

Moved up 6 spots to 350 in luck after that one tonight! Finally the potential death blow doesn't go in.

Unfortunately we dropped from 68 to 72 in overall KenPom after that. Rutgers actually moved up 1 spot (to 102).
 

MCC_Cat

Junior
May 29, 2001
1,509
207
63
There was definitely luck involved that we somehow didn't lose that game after a major collapse. We were waaaay overdue for some good luck though so it was nice to see that it did arrive, just in time. Funny thing is this is one game where we absolutely positively shouldn't have needed ANY luck to win but most definitely did down the stretch. Against UM and Illinois we got nuthin but bad luck down the stretch where only a little would've sufficed.
 

NJCat

All-Conference
Mar 7, 2016
21,329
1,503
113
insert smart a$$ comment about tech sub basement here.
I actually did my PhD research in the Tech sub-basement. Which was actually pretty nice because in 1981 it was the only air-conditioned space in Tech.....