Somehow he's dropped UVa but not Duke. Anybody surprised? Arizona, Gonzaga, Wisconsin, and Villanova just sit there. The ESPN Duke loyalty is just ridiculous. I hope the committee has half a brain and moves them to #2. But then I also hope the Racers get a bid.
Lunardi won't change Duke's #1 seed
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I wanted to see his brackets...did he show where he has UVA located? East?
He mentioned the current scenario avoids Wisconsin as UK's 2 and saves the committee face, but if the committee gives UK the top 2 seed in UVA it does not save them much face at all IMO.
I hope they put UVA in the East (it's 50 freaking miles difference between Cleveland and Cuse) and KU in the midwest with UK or Gonzaga....whichever.
He mentioned the current scenario avoids Wisconsin as UK's 2 and saves the committee face, but if the committee gives UK the top 2 seed in UVA it does not save them much face at all IMO.
I hope they put UVA in the East (it's 50 freaking miles difference between Cleveland and Cuse) and KU in the midwest with UK or Gonzaga....whichever.
While Duke does have some ugly L's hanging around their neck, they also have some gaudy wins, including that trip to UVA and rallying in the dying moments. UVA is staggering of late and their best player is banged up, which will all be factored in by the committee. So no, I am not surprised to see UVA on the two line behind Duke.
The interesting story is will that line stay the same if Arizona mauls Oregon tonight for the Pac 12 title? Gonzaga simply doesn't have the résumé to move up to a one.
The interesting story is will that line stay the same if Arizona mauls Oregon tonight for the Pac 12 title? Gonzaga simply doesn't have the résumé to move up to a one.
I think there is an unwritten rule that they have to have at least one ACC team as a #1 seed and that it almost always has to be Duke.
Why does everyone assume UVA is going East?
I hate to say this but if they are the best 2 seed......
Distance to Midwest regional 290 miles
Distance to East regional 365 miles
I could see them ending up with UK.
I hate to say this but if they are the best 2 seed......
Distance to Midwest regional 290 miles
Distance to East regional 365 miles
I could see them ending up with UK.
Would it be unreal if both got moved to the two line? I don't see it happening, but certain a case can be made that the 1's should look like: Kentucky, Wisconsin, Villanova and Arizona (worst L's and perhaps the weakest case for a 1 outside of Gonzaga, but not unfathomable, especially considering Duke's bad L's).
2 seed in the east plays first two games in Charlotte. They would be the top 2 seed so the go to Charlotte rather than UL. UVA IMO is the 2 seed in the east with Villanova the 1 seed. Duke has beaten good teams including @ UVA and it is reflected in their RPI
Duke is more deserving of a # 1 seed than UVA. They have wins at Wiscy, UVA, Louisville, and UNC. Virginia has lost 2 of their last 3. FWIW Lunardi has Wiscy as the 4th number 1 seed and Duke as the 3rd number 1 seed.
The first round games shouldn't matter. UVA could still go to the MIdwest region but play their first two games in Charlotte.
UVA will play its first two games in Charlotte no matter what region they are in.
I hope you are right...because based strictly on mileage they should put UVA in UK's bracket. I think it being a difference of like 50 miles between Syracuse and Cleveland from UVA's campus, and with a midwest 2 in KU out there (and not wanting to send them all the way to Syracuse, which is 1165 miles from KU's campus vs. 850-ish for Cleveland) they can surely justify sending UVA 50 miles further away to avoid being in Kentucky's bracket.
I agree. It just makes sense from a logic standpoint to have them East considering others on the line. But it wouldn't shock me if they put them MW.
Without a healthy Anderson tho, UVA isn't that great. It's not the end of the world if they did pair them with us
Yup, I am sure UVA's fans prefer driving an extra 45-50 minutes to Syracuse vs. having to face UK just to get to the Final Four. That's just IMO anyways. And plus, the committee would catch just as much flack for giving UK UVA and vice versa, as they did if they gave UK Wisconsin and vice versa, also JMO.
I agree.
On a separate note, why is everyone automatically assuming that Villanova is the 2nd 1 seed?
Teams that are better than Villanova
UK
Wisconsin
Duke
Virginia
Arizona
Originally posted by UKWildcats#8:
Originally posted by GOING FOR #9:
Originally posted by The_Answer1313:
Why does everyone assume UVA is going East?
I hate to say this but if they are the best 2 seed......
Distance to Midwest regional 290 miles
Distance to East regional 365 miles
I could see them ending up with UK.
2 seed in the east plays first two games in Charlotte. They would be the top 2 seed so the go to Charlotte rather than UL. UVA IMO is the 2 seed in the east with Villanova the 1 seed. Duke has beaten good teams including @ UVA and it is reflected in their RPI
UVA will play its first two games in Charlotte no matter what region they are in.
I hope you are right...because based strictly on mileage they should put UVA in UK's bracket. I think it being a difference of like 50 miles between Syracuse and Cleveland from UVA's campus, and with a midwest 2 in KU out there (and not wanting to send them all the way to Syracuse, which is 1165 miles from KU's campus vs. 850-ish for Cleveland) they can surely justify sending UVA 50 miles further away to avoid being in Kentucky's bracket.
If UVA ends up in MW they will be playing in Louisville. That's why they will go east
Originally posted by GOING FOR #9:
Originally posted by The_Answer1313:
Why does everyone assume UVA is going East?
I hate to say this but if they are the best 2 seed......
Distance to Midwest regional 290 miles
Distance to East regional 365 miles
I could see them ending up with UK.
2 seed in the east plays first two games in Charlotte. They would be the top 2 seed so the go to Charlotte rather than UL. UVA IMO is the 2 seed in the east with Villanova the 1 seed. Duke has beaten good teams including @ UVA and it is reflected in their RPI
UVA will play its first two games in Charlotte no matter what region they are in.
I hope you are right...because based strictly on mileage they should put UVA in UK's bracket. I think it being a difference of like 50 miles between Syracuse and Cleveland from UVA's campus, and with a midwest 2 in KU out there (and not wanting to send them all the way to Syracuse, which is 1165 miles from KU's campus vs. 850-ish for Cleveland) they can surely justify sending UVA 50 miles further away to avoid being in Kentucky's bracket.
If UVA ends up in MW they will be playing in Louisville. That's why they will go east
I'm still using this logical approach.
It's been asked here many times in the last 24 hours; has any team ever that did not win its conference nor made its conference final, much less win, been awarded a #1 seed?
it makes no sense whatsoever.
Duke has the two best wins of any team in the country this year:
at Wisconsin
at Virginia when Virginia was playing at a very high level
I'd definitely drop Virginia from the one line before I'd drop Duke.
at Wisconsin
at Virginia when Virginia was playing at a very high level
I'd definitely drop Virginia from the one line before I'd drop Duke.
Kentucky
Duke
Wisconsin
Arizona
This is what the committee wants. The foundation of an epic tournament.
Duke
Wisconsin
Arizona
This is what the committee wants. The foundation of an epic tournament.
I am pretty sure he could care less about the teams he ranks resumes. Duke has impressive resume of road wins. At Virginia and At Wisconsin are big.
The big question is can they get #1 seed without winning either the regular season or conf titles.
Duke should be ahead of Virginia based on actual resumes and Justin Anderson being currently injured and not playing well at all but will they be ahead of them when it gets announced who knows ?
Yeah, so then they can screw UK and give UK UVA as their 2 seed.
I'll pass on that, GO NOVA today!
This is not how the first-round pod system works.
A handful of people have tried to explain this to you, to no avail.
If Lumardi is right on the 1 seeds and they go by geography for the 2 seeds:
Midwest- UK/UVA
East- Nova/Zaga
South- Duke/KU
West- UW/Zona
UVA is the top 2 seed, stay closest to home (Cleveland). Zona is next. They stay out West. If KU wins tonight, then they are next and go to Houston. The Zags are displaced as the lowest 2 seed.
If they go S-curve:
Midwest- UK/Zaga
East- Nova/KU
South- Duke/Zona
West- UW/UVA
If they consider both and try to work out a hybrid of both (which they should):
Midwest- UK/Zaga
East- Nova/UVA
South- Duke/KU
West- UW/Zona
Zaga is going to be displaced anyhow, so send them to us as the lowest 2 seed. UVA has to travel an extra 100 miles or so, but remains close to home. KU stays close to home by default, Duke gets a weaker 2, but plays in KU's backyard. Zona stays out West, so the committee doesn't displace two top seeded teams from the West.
Midwest- UK/UVA
East- Nova/Zaga
South- Duke/KU
West- UW/Zona
UVA is the top 2 seed, stay closest to home (Cleveland). Zona is next. They stay out West. If KU wins tonight, then they are next and go to Houston. The Zags are displaced as the lowest 2 seed.
If they go S-curve:
Midwest- UK/Zaga
East- Nova/KU
South- Duke/Zona
West- UW/UVA
If they consider both and try to work out a hybrid of both (which they should):
Midwest- UK/Zaga
East- Nova/UVA
South- Duke/KU
West- UW/Zona
Zaga is going to be displaced anyhow, so send them to us as the lowest 2 seed. UVA has to travel an extra 100 miles or so, but remains close to home. KU stays close to home by default, Duke gets a weaker 2, but plays in KU's backyard. Zona stays out West, so the committee doesn't displace two top seeded teams from the West.
Joey Brackets SAID he thinks Virginia goes east with nova. And, not sure where the mileage post came from, but the mileage they showed on espn shows a 49 mile difference for Virginia, to Cleveland and to Syracuse.
Either way, that's not what matters. Here's what does, Wisconsin gets a 1 and goes west, so Gonzaga as a 2 must go to the Midwest. Which then moves Virginia to east bracket,
ALSO (very big) Joey Brackets SAID that Arizona, if they win and win big COULD steal Dukes 1 seed (but likely not to happen). Arizona only lost 3 games, all close, all on the road and they have also won 10 straight,
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Either way, that's not what matters. Here's what does, Wisconsin gets a 1 and goes west, so Gonzaga as a 2 must go to the Midwest. Which then moves Virginia to east bracket,
ALSO (very big) Joey Brackets SAID that Arizona, if they win and win big COULD steal Dukes 1 seed (but likely not to happen). Arizona only lost 3 games, all close, all on the road and they have also won 10 straight,
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Has there ever been a team that didnt win the regular season conference title or the post season conference tournament that got a one seed+???? Please advise Lunardi.
They also have two bad losses where they were absolutely dominated and one was at home. Duke has three double digit losses, two of which were to teams that are NIT bound. Virginia has three total losses (one less than Duke), all to Top 20 teams by a total of around 10 points. Everyone keeps talking about Duke's big wins but conveniently omit their losses.
If Wisconsin is a 1 seed and is moved out West meaning they are the weakest 1 why would Arizona jump Duke instead of Wisconsin?
If right now he sees Duke being the 3rd 1 seed and Wisconsin the last, then why on earth would they knock Duke off the 1 line but keep Wisconsin on?
He's not making much sense.
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Duke's 10 point win at Wisconsin came on the strength of 14 points by Suliamon, no longer with the team. Per guidelines, that win should be discounted same as losses when a player is not available.
Has there ever been a team that didnt win the regular season conference title or the post season conference tournament that got a one seed+???? Please advise Lunardi.
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It brings up an interesting question on what the committee cares more about. Do they care more about big time wins or less "bad" losses.
The thing about the wins for Duke is they weren't just big wins but big wins on the road.
I also think UVA might drop to the 2 line because of the health of Anderson.