Making a murderer 2
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Halfway thru... amazing new attorney who is a stone cold shark. Deep dives into constitutionality of Brandon’s case, but - I find the surgical deconstruction of Steven Avery’s conviction case absolutely fascinating.
Make Steve’s previous attorneys look bushleague.
Make Steve’s previous attorneys look bushleague.
Yes, I watched it. Really interesting but frustrating as well.
If Avery would have Kathleen Zellner at first, he never goes to prison. His first lawyers are second rate compared to her.
Kratz is despicable. Talk about a low rate person. He totally abused his power. Makes you wonder who else he has done this way.
If Avery would have Kathleen Zellner at first, he never goes to prison. His first lawyers are second rate compared to her.
Kratz is despicable. Talk about a low rate person. He totally abused his power. Makes you wonder who else he has done this way.
I don’t know if I have 10 more hours of watching that same case in me, guess I’ll give the first episode a shot. Did they at least come up with another suspect this time?
I am on episode 5 and must agree that if she was his attorney from the beginning he gets off. (That's what she said) It is obvious the other 2 attorney's must have just been the type of attorney's who prepare wills, handle divorce cases and land transfers. They overlooked a lot of evidence that would have created reasonable doubt.
She's amazing. The level of detail and her approach shows why she's been successful 17 times getting wrongful convictions overturned.
This season is different. It's way more in the weeds than S1.
I feel awful for Dassey. That poor kid just got railroaded and his interrogation is a prime example of investigators doing nearly anything they can to fabricate a story.
I was convinced after S1 that Avery was guilty. Not so much now. Keeping in mind it's an agenda-driven documentary obviously skewed in his favor, the evidence just leaves way more doubt in the case originally tried.
Agree with catlanta...thought Avery was probably guilty after the first season, but as there was enough reasonable doubt.
Now I don't think he did it.
Zellner is awesome.
Now I don't think he did it.
Zellner is awesome.
I would prefer that the murderer's #2 be made in his pants with the end of a gun barrel in his face or at the very least in the corner of his jail cell.
But if said murderer makes his #2 an "upper decker" or in somebody's crawl space then add 20+ years to his sentence.
But if said murderer makes his #2 an "upper decker" or in somebody's crawl space then add 20+ years to his sentence.
Easy to **** on Avery's attorneys after the fact, but that ignores the practical reality of preparing for a trial in the moment. Zellner has effectively had an eternity to get into the weeds compared to the time Avery's attorneys had to prepare for the first trial.
Remember thinking his original attorneys were pretty badass in the first season. Obviously they made some mistakes along the way, but dont think they were bad by any means. She obviously has the benefit of picking their argument apart after the fact, but it is obvious she is a level above.
If you like her, watch Dream Killer, a documentary about Ryan Ferguson, one of the others she got off. The true hero of that story is his Father.
Half way through and it really shows what you can do if you have money to get the best experts IMO. Also it shows that the higher you go in appeals the harder it is to get something overturned no matter what evidence you have. I am guessing Lawyers and Judges don't ever want to be PROVEN Wrong!!
Saw that wiegert is running for dome sort of office in WI.
With the bullet evidence she found I'm not sure how they can deny science...or explain why her bones were in two different places
With the bullet evidence she found I'm not sure how they can deny science...or explain why her bones were in two different places
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I really think they may have the wrong Dassey in jail. The older Dassey lied about her being there when he left to cops plus the info on his computer seem to indicate he is a sick and twisted dude.
I really think they may have the wrong Dassey in jail. The older Dassey lied about her being there when he left to cops plus the info on his computer seem to indicate he is a sick and twisted dude.
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I'm on episode 6, I think. They all just run together. It left off where Zellner wants very badly to interview Teresa's ex-boyfriend. The way she was showing it, he lied about the parking light and insurance claim. I haven't gotten to the part where they talk to Dassey's older brother yet. The parts where they show how much DNA they're able to retrieve from objects, compared to what was retrieved before the trial is amazing.
Also, I'm no lawyer, but didn't his original attorneys say they weren't allowed to point the finger at anyone else (what Zellner is attempting to do)? That right there hamstrings them. That and the fact that they didn't hire the blood splatter expert.
Also, I'm no lawyer, but didn't his original attorneys say they weren't allowed to point the finger at anyone else (what Zellner is attempting to do)? That right there hamstrings them. That and the fact that they didn't hire the blood splatter expert.
The scenario they act out in episode 9 makes more sense than any story they tried to make up with Avery. Like she said, it 'fits'.
2 episodes in. Liking this season better. It gets into the true crime scene stuff. The blood inside the Rav4 by the key was some pretty damn good rebuttal. And why there was no mixture of their blood. If there was that much blood on either person, at one point they would have missed.
That sheriff is basically looks like you would expect a dirty cop to look like.
One thing is for sure...never go to Manitowoc County WI.
I f*cking hate Kratz. He is a fat, unethical loser with no regard for the Halbach family, if they really want to true murderer.
He is just in it to make money from his book. Also the cop Andrew Colborn is as crooked as a West Virginia back road.
I'm 5 episodes through and I'm just blown away how damn good it is. I thought Steve did it after season one but now I think he's completely innocent. One big conspiracy in that town. I don't trust anyone in that town. I think that this season is better too. The lawyer makes it awesome. How Brendan ever stayed in jail just baffles me
The DA, the detectives, and some of the cops are the ones that should be in prison imo. Disgusting what they did to an obvious mentally challenged kid. They made their whole case on his "confession"
To me, he is the most disgusting figure in this whole thing. Just screams pervert and liar. He had to resign from office because he was caught sexting a domestic abuse victim. Guy is a slimeball.
The whole press conference giving a story of how he thinks it happened and deemed him guilty from the start is a very big no no. That right there should have got them a get out of jail card.
DAs giving press conferences and giving "facts" should be disbarred on the spot.
Look at Mike Nifong, the Durham DA for the Duke Lacrosse case...complete ******** to sway public opinion when innocent until proven guilty is still what we live by.
Nifong did one day in jail for ruining three lives by fabricating evidence and then giving an entire press conference with ********.
Even if Avery is guilty...there is no way it went down as the state said it did.
Look at Mike Nifong, the Durham DA for the Duke Lacrosse case...complete ******** to sway public opinion when innocent until proven guilty is still what we live by.
Nifong did one day in jail for ruining three lives by fabricating evidence and then giving an entire press conference with ********.
Even if Avery is guilty...there is no way it went down as the state said it did.
This is why, whether guilty or innocent, you never speak to cops without an attorney present. It is amazing how many innocent people are convicted because the cops pressure them into a confession like Dassey or twist their words into something that could be construed as a confession.
Absolutely. No guilty person EVER talked their way out of prison, but many innocent people have talked their way in.
I remember Steve Romines (attorney here in Ky) on a podcast once said "If your guilty you need an attorney and if you are not guilty you f'n absolutely need an attorney".. Watching some of these type of shows that statement really hits home.
How can any court not hear an appeal with the amount of bias involved in this case?
The CDs withheld, the coroner, the main witness saying something completely different than he testified too that they saw Teresa leave.
Unreal, and I bet if he wasn’t siding for the 36M they would have got off, but as is now he’d sue again for false imprisonment and they know damn well what that would cost!
The CDs withheld, the coroner, the main witness saying something completely different than he testified too that they saw Teresa leave.
Unreal, and I bet if he wasn’t siding for the 36M they would have got off, but as is now he’d sue again for false imprisonment and they know damn well what that would cost!
The one thing I don't get is the ex boyfriend. What would be his motive for helping the cops cover this up?Obviously he cared about her, so why would he help them?