Making a Murderer
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I think he wanted it to seem like he was sympathetic. Dude with the family emergency gets to go home and steve doesn't use that as a reason to blow up the whole trial. Didn't work.
I think that juror was the difference between a conviction and a hung jury.
Because juries are dumber than brendan. Made absolutely zero sense. You literally can't say he murdered her but he didn't burn her body and disintegrate her remains. But somehow they did.
Well I'm not sure how to find out but originally the count was 7-3 with 2 undecided.
Supposedly those 3 were : 1- married to a manitowac deputy, another was a cousin of a deputy and the last of those 3 was related to the county clerk.
So yea those 3 weren't changing their mind, meanwhile changed everyone else's.
Seems odd they wouldn't report that in the show really.
Supposedly those 3 were : 1- married to a manitowac deputy, another was a cousin of a deputy and the last of those 3 was related to the county clerk.
So yea those 3 weren't changing their mind, meanwhile changed everyone else's.
Seems odd they wouldn't report that in the show really.
Or.......if the first poll was correct that 7/12 were for Avery....and the attorneys had to have some sense of the jury's inclination to that point....u would have to think it served avery's best interest to proceed on. To have all 7 ultimately turn on Avery would be very disheartening if that was true. I would have liked some more insight on how that occurred.
Was not aware of those facts. I would think a good argument could have been made to have at least one of them excused for cause
There is very little evidence that supports Avery killed her in the trailer, garage or anywhere near the house. Hell, they jackhammered the concrete garage floor and did not find one shred of DNA evidence from anyone not named Avery. The guy was a hoarder, it's literally impossible for anyone, let alone a semi retarded guy (and even dumber nephew) to clean the garage and trailer to the degree that no blood was found. That place looked like Winston Wolfe was there directly after the murder.
But let's just say for sake of conversation he did kill her somewhere close to the home like the state suggests. Why would he put her in the trunk bed to move her less than 20 feet? Why wouldn't he just drag her out to the burn pile and why is there three different burn sites anyway?
Why are Lt. James Lenk and Sgt. Andrew Colburn literally on site every time a piece of key physical evidence is found when they're not supposed to be helping with the investigation? That's down right suspicious outside of the fact that Avery's blood sample was tampered with or the fact that both have something to gain from an Avery conviction.
And how in the hell is the Rav4 found within 20 minutes of walking into the salvage yard? And why, for the first time in the search, did they decide to give one of the searchers a camera "just in case". It should of taken weeks, if not months to search that yard. But nope, these chicks had divine intervention that pointed them in the exact location within minutes. And the guy is a professional salvager. Why doesn't he take the car apart and spread it over the yard?
What about motive? Chad must have seen leaked pics of the rape before Dumb and Dumber cleaned the scene because there is no physical evidence to suggest a rape took place anywhere on the property associated with the evidence. So if she wasn't raped, what was the motive? A guy who had served 18 years for a crime he didn't commit, was starting his life over, ready to get married; just decides to off a girl that he's had a working relationship with?
The case goes cold several times. They coerce the nephew into a false confession without the presence of his lawyer. When that gets thrown out, they then go after the girlfriend, she doesn't cooperate either. Finally, after months of finding nothing, they return to the garage with Lenk present (again) and find more physical evidence. Pretty damn convenient.
If Avery did kill her, which is a possibility, then the state at least knew they didn't have enough to convict. So they made sure they did. The case is circumstantial at best and if I was on that jury I would have said that there is reasonable doubt that Avery didn't do it.
Of course Avery is the only suspect. He was the only one investigated. The victim's roommate did not report her missing until her family called to see if he had seen her. He's never investigated nor is her ex boyfriend. No one, other than their "man" Avery, was ever investigated. Not the other nephew or his Step Father who are both on the grounds at the time. No one. . .not one person.
So with no left to blame and with key evidence likely planted, the state pitches their case to a tainted jury and they convict.
But let's just say for sake of conversation he did kill her somewhere close to the home like the state suggests. Why would he put her in the trunk bed to move her less than 20 feet? Why wouldn't he just drag her out to the burn pile and why is there three different burn sites anyway?
Why are Lt. James Lenk and Sgt. Andrew Colburn literally on site every time a piece of key physical evidence is found when they're not supposed to be helping with the investigation? That's down right suspicious outside of the fact that Avery's blood sample was tampered with or the fact that both have something to gain from an Avery conviction.
And how in the hell is the Rav4 found within 20 minutes of walking into the salvage yard? And why, for the first time in the search, did they decide to give one of the searchers a camera "just in case". It should of taken weeks, if not months to search that yard. But nope, these chicks had divine intervention that pointed them in the exact location within minutes. And the guy is a professional salvager. Why doesn't he take the car apart and spread it over the yard?
What about motive? Chad must have seen leaked pics of the rape before Dumb and Dumber cleaned the scene because there is no physical evidence to suggest a rape took place anywhere on the property associated with the evidence. So if she wasn't raped, what was the motive? A guy who had served 18 years for a crime he didn't commit, was starting his life over, ready to get married; just decides to off a girl that he's had a working relationship with?
The case goes cold several times. They coerce the nephew into a false confession without the presence of his lawyer. When that gets thrown out, they then go after the girlfriend, she doesn't cooperate either. Finally, after months of finding nothing, they return to the garage with Lenk present (again) and find more physical evidence. Pretty damn convenient.
If Avery did kill her, which is a possibility, then the state at least knew they didn't have enough to convict. So they made sure they did. The case is circumstantial at best and if I was on that jury I would have said that there is reasonable doubt that Avery didn't do it.
Of course Avery is the only suspect. He was the only one investigated. The victim's roommate did not report her missing until her family called to see if he had seen her. He's never investigated nor is her ex boyfriend. No one, other than their "man" Avery, was ever investigated. Not the other nephew or his Step Father who are both on the grounds at the time. No one. . .not one person.
So with no left to blame and with key evidence likely planted, the state pitches their case to a tainted jury and they convict.
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Steve Avery is a nearly retarded, inbred, cruel, perverted criminal that was falsely accused of a crime years ago. One of the reason he was found guilty before was the fact that he was a nearly retarded, inbred, cruel, perverted criminal in his past and it was believable.
There were some things that I wouldn't consider ethical that the defense exposed, but he's still a piece of ****. His nephew is a pretty big piece of **** too.
There were some things that I wouldn't consider ethical that the defense exposed, but he's still a piece of ****. His nephew is a pretty big piece of **** too.
I have to take exception to the suggestion that planting evidence is impossible. The most famous recent murder case in Ky, the Trent Digioro murder, had it. The FBI expert witness lied under oath. Was caught, charged, admitted to it and was fired and sentenced.
The ky supreme court then overturned Shane Raglands murder conviction because the FBI lied.
The ky supreme court then overturned Shane Raglands murder conviction because the FBI lied.
Wow, so he's an inbred now. Ok, well that's a first.
As for the nephew. He's the real victim here and can't really see how anyone could not see that. But whatever dude, sounds like you knew him better than most. :thumbsdown:
Ken Kratz speaks to the Times.
Interesting that he has misgivings about the sheriff's department's involvement.
Interesting that he has misgivings about the sheriff's department's involvement.
The girls who made this were just on the today show trying to start more fires. Today show called it "breaking news!!!" you don't want to miss this "shocking discovery" about the Steve Avery trial. I'm thinking, OK, they're gonna address the acquisitions that their documentary sucks *** and is not true. Nope. The breaking news is that the girls know a former juror member and that juror member said they feared for their life during the trial. That was it. Segment over. Thanks for tuning in. The girls did say their goal was to start discussion about law enforcement. Good job. Congrats.
All I know is that most everyone involved with this stuff seems full of ****. I regret starting the documentary, tbh.
All I know is that most everyone involved with this stuff seems full of ****. I regret starting the documentary, tbh.
Agreed. But to express it to the NYT of all places is surprising. He would have to know that the comment might engender suspicion given how much interest there is around the case. Seems a better play there would be to just to not say anything about the sheriff's dept. if you have to comment at all.
I have serious doubts about any of the jurors being married to or blowing a sherriff's deputy. I'd like to see where that came from.
Yeah, they showed the defense attorneys going through all of the juror questionnaires. Don't they have a saying in who is allowed to be a juror? Voir dire. If a juror was married to a deputy...there is NO way the defense attorneys would allow those jurors.
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wkow/newsdocs/avery document page 23 +.pdf
Defense attorney's thoughts on who may have done it but weren't allowed in court to go after 3rd parties.
I'm trying to dig up the juror info.
Defense attorney's thoughts on who may have done it but weren't allowed in court to go after 3rd parties.
I'm trying to dig up the juror info.
I really don't have the time or patience to read through the MEGAthread by fanatics, so I thought I'd start my own thread to gauge everyone's thoughts about this new documentary.
Hey I started my own thread. Look at me!
/gamecock cat
Hey I started my own thread. Look at me!
/gamecock cat
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Does anyone else get the feeling you are watching a real crime version of The Blair Witch Project and it was all a big hoax. [laughing]
http://m.jsonline.com/news/crime/av...trial-retiree-bent-b99643052z1-363821481.html
Here you go. About the third paragraph in tells about the loaded jury.
Add that to the fact that no one else was even considered a suspect, and the possibility of planted evidence and you have yourself a situation worthy of conspiracy!
Here you go. About the third paragraph in tells about the loaded jury.
Add that to the fact that no one else was even considered a suspect, and the possibility of planted evidence and you have yourself a situation worthy of conspiracy!
Nope. Just had my busiest month and I might even have done enough to follow it up with another solid one. That's been my issue staying consistent busy.
How many posts a day do you average here? Seriously do you have clients? KYFB still charge a $25 "membership" fee? That's a conspiracy!
How many posts a day do you average here? Seriously do you have clients? KYFB still charge a $25 "membership" fee? That's a conspiracy!
Dude I even said that it was nonsense but after talking to about 20+ females who watched the doc they would never have gone alone and if they were forced to would have been on the phone when they arrived with someone who knew to call back every few minutes in order to have a get the F out of there escape.
My thing is, if there is a conspiracy then why stop at any point and just let your imagination run wild. In that instance what if she liked the dude? I mean he somehow attracts things that seem to be of the female variety! Not sure how but hey who knows.
If that was the case then MAYBE she willingly got into the restraints which is why no DNA is found there. Had he forced her into those thing she would have at least fought it I assume and left something behind!
I in no way think it happened but it could explain the lack of DNA.
My thing is, if there is a conspiracy then why stop at any point and just let your imagination run wild. In that instance what if she liked the dude? I mean he somehow attracts things that seem to be of the female variety! Not sure how but hey who knows.
If that was the case then MAYBE she willingly got into the restraints which is why no DNA is found there. Had he forced her into those thing she would have at least fought it I assume and left something behind!
I in no way think it happened but it could explain the lack of DNA.
I was wondering where you were finding the time to do all this research quo bueno. Remember to track it though so you claim it on your tax return.
One thing that I am sure of Brenden's court appointed attorney needs to be throat punched...several times.
I think that's actually pretty common with celebrity inmates. Didn't Manson get married recently or something?
*Well I consider the Juror info pretty relevant as I was already suspecting a compromise was the reason for the guilty/not guilty. Pretty hard to comprehend multiple jurors being "not guilty" at the beginning of deliberations and "guilty" at the end. Not guilty on the second charge now makes more sense.
*Interesting to see Katz's take on the local authorities and Dassey press conference.
*Just annoyed by all these people that think he is completely innocent and signing a petition for a Presidential Pardon. I think he needs a fair trial, that's about it.
*Interesting to see Katz's take on the local authorities and Dassey press conference.
*Just annoyed by all these people that think he is completely innocent and signing a petition for a Presidential Pardon. I think he needs a fair trial, that's about it.
I just wonder if a new trial finds him not guilty if he can reopen his lawsuit because he clearly settled just to afford a defense.
Not that he as a person deserves it but those involved have put him in a position to get it if it works out in his favor. I just can't imagine a life imprisoned unjustly! Man you talk about suicidal.
Not that he as a person deserves it but those involved have put him in a position to get it if it works out in his favor. I just can't imagine a life imprisoned unjustly! Man you talk about suicidal.
http://onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/evidenceagainstavery.html
This link was posted a couple of pages ago. Of all the things she listed as evidence against Avery...
#5 PORN was found at Steven's house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This link was posted a couple of pages ago. Of all the things she listed as evidence against Avery...
#5 PORN was found at Steven's house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!