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Making Room for 25 New Recruits: Show me the Math

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There, I believe, some legitimate fear that UK is signing too many quality recruits in this recruiting class. (Yes, I just typed that). With a bevy of highly talented recruits ready to sign, there is concern that will will not be enough overall scholarships to accommodate them all. I am no expert when it comes to scholarship limits or roster counts, so I could use a bit of information on this situation.

1) How many scholarships can be given out per year?
2) How many total scholarships can be on the roster at any given point in time?
3) Given the current roster, is UK in danger of being over that scholarship limit?
4) If so, what current players on UK's roster will not be here next year? Why?
5) And/Or, what current verbal pledges will never make it on campus?
 
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UK will have the scholarships. Those that are not worthy of having their scholarship renewed will be politely informed of such and room will be made.
 
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Smashcat said:
We shall see. I know which ones would really hurt if they don't make it.
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I doubt if our new commits will cause any of our better recruits to leave, it may even make them more likely to want to stay and play for a winner. But I really hope we don't get in a position of telling any commit or player he has to leave.
 
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Per SEC/NCAA rules, a team is allowed to sign a max of 25 recruits in a year, up to 28 if at least 3 count back to the previous year .... meaning the previous season had no more than 22 recruits counted against it.
The total number of players who can be on scholarship is 85 and doesn't count until just before the season opener.
 
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jauk11 said:
I doubt if our new commits will cause any of our better recruits to leave, it may even make them more likely to want to stay and play for a winner. But I really hope we don't get in a position of telling any commit or player he has to leave.
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Jauk I'm going to like this reply :cheers2:
 
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Firios? Calvin Taylor? Isaiah Brown? Greenberg? Hyde? Leavitt? the Walkers? Barker?
 
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BlueRattie said:
There, I believe, some legitimate fear that UK is signing too many quality recruits in this recruiting class. (Yes, I just typed that). With a bevy of highly talented recruits ready to sign, there is concern that will will not be enough overall scholarships to accommodate them all. I am no expert when it comes to scholarship limits or roster counts, so I could use a bit of information on this situation.

1) How many scholarships can be given out per year?
2) How many total scholarships can be on the roster at any given point in time?
3) Given the current roster, is UK in danger of being over that scholarship limit?
4) If so, what current players on UK's roster will not be here next year? Why?
5) And/Or, what current verbal pledges will never make it on campus?
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1) NoviG8r is correct but the SEC 25 and the NCAA 25 aren't always the same. SEC is LOI's (letter of intent) which are signed in December (EE Jucos) and February for the Class of that particular year (as of February). NCAA 25 counts the initial counters (those who actually enroll in that year's class). Both counts can be backdated to the previous year as was stated.
2) 85 when fall camp begins
3) No - there is ALWAYS - ALWAYS attrition from the end of the season until the beginning of fall camp. Usually in the neighborhood of 5-10% of the total scholarships for a variety of reasons such as, but not limited to, injury, playing time, general discontent, spring player evaluations, grades, homesickness etc.
4) A person in tune with the program can usually go through the roster and pick out a half dozen or so 'likely' candidates but many times players that you wouldn't suspect end up leaving.
5) Only the coaches have a good handle on that but you have to be very careful to limit those 'mistakes' because when they sign a LOI but then fail to enroll, that LOI is lost and can't be reused for that class.
 
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I suppose it is entirely possible we have taken a commitment from an almost certain non-qualifier, only to do a HS coach a solid in getting the kid JC attention. This too is part of pipeline building and maintenance.

Just a guess. That is something that would not be common knowledge, but would mean more room in the class than might be apparent.
 
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BlueRattie said:
There, I believe, some legitimate fear that UK is signing too many quality recruits in this recruiting class. (Yes, I just typed that). With a bevy of highly talented recruits ready to sign, there is concern that will will not be enough overall scholarships to accommodate them all. I am no expert when it comes to scholarship limits or roster counts, so I could use a bit of information on this situation.

1) How many scholarships can be given out per year?
2) How many total scholarships can be on the roster at any given point in time?
3) Given the current roster, is UK in danger of being over that scholarship limit?
4) If so, what current players on UK's roster will not be here next year? Why?
5) And/Or, what current verbal pledges will never make it on campus?
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Don't worry about it. It will all work out.
 
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1) NoviG8r is correct but the SEC 25 and the NCAA 25 aren't always the same. SEC is LOI's (letter of intent) which are signed in December (EE Jucos) and February for the Class of that particular year (as of February). NCAA 25 counts the initial counters (those who actually enroll in that year's class). Both counts can be backdated to the previous year as was stated.
2) 85 when fall camp begins
3) No - there is ALWAYS - ALWAYS attrition from the end of the season until the beginning of fall camp. Usually in the neighborhood of 5-10% of the total scholarships for a variety of reasons such as, but not limited to, injury, playing time, general discontent, spring player evaluations, grades, homesickness etc.
4) A person in tune with the program can usually go through the roster and pick out a half dozen or so 'likely' candidates but many times players that you wouldn't suspect end up leaving.
5) Only the coaches have a good handle on that but you have to be very careful to limit those 'mistakes' because when they sign a LOI but then fail to enroll, that LOI is lost and can't be reused for that class.
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Excellent synopsis.
 
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BlueRattie said:
There, I believe, some legitimate fear that UK is signing too many quality recruits in this recruiting class. (Yes, I just typed that). With a bevy of highly talented recruits ready to sign, there is concern that will will not be enough overall scholarships to accommodate them all. I am no expert when it comes to scholarship limits or roster counts, so I could use a bit of information on this situation.

1) How many scholarships can be given out per year?
2) How many total scholarships can be on the roster at any given point in time?
3) Given the current roster, is UK in danger of being over that scholarship limit?
4) If so, what current players on UK's roster will not be here next year? Why?
5) And/Or, what current verbal pledges will never make it on campus?
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The GREAT news is you don't need math or to figure anything out because I am PRETTY sure our Head Coach and his Staff know exactly what they need and who they need to recruit. So sit back and enjoy the bowl game and our return to being relevant again. Unless of course you cheer for the team in red down the road then you should worry.
 
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BlueRattie said:
There, I believe, some legitimate fear that UK is signing too many quality recruits in this recruiting class. (Yes, I just typed that). With a bevy of highly talented recruits ready to sign, there is concern that will will not be enough overall scholarships to accommodate them all. I am no expert when it comes to scholarship limits or roster counts, so I could use a bit of information on this situation.

1) How many scholarships can be given out per year?
2) How many total scholarships can be on the roster at any given point in time?
3) Given the current roster, is UK in danger of being over that scholarship limit?
4) If so, what current players on UK's roster will not be here next year? Why?
5) And/Or, what current verbal pledges will never make it on campus?
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They will work the numbers out, all schools do.
 
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I suppose it is entirely possible we have taken a commitment from an almost certain non-qualifier, only to do a HS coach a solid in getting the kid JC attention. This too is part of pipeline building and maintenance.

Just a guess. That is something that would not be common knowledge, but would mean more room in the class than might be apparent.
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Good theory, could be right. And since our top recruits won't need any help I hope ;you are right.
 
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We expected to have 83 at the start of fall camp and I think it was actually 81. There are 4 or 5 that look obvious and we'll get 1 or 2 that suck for us and 1 or 2 recruits won't make it. It'll work out.
 
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hmt5000 said:
We expected to have 83 at the start of fall camp and I think it was actually 81. There are 4 or 5 that look obvious and we'll get 1 or 2 that suck for us and 1 or 2 recruits won't make it. It'll work out.
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We were actually below 80 without Stoops awarding unused scholarships to several walk ons.
 
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It isn't really difficult at all to give a pretty good guestimate on who may leave. If you're projected to be fourth string and you're not a true freshman, you're a solid candidate to go. If you're an upperclassmen and not in the two deep, you're a solid candidate and even more solid if you still have a redshirt [transfer] year available.

And in the recruiting class itself, if you've been recruited over in your own class by a couple of guys, you're a solid candidate to not be in the class.

And unfortunately there are usually surprises with guys who we all thought might contribute soon who choose to leave or are forced to for various reasons.

Have believed from the moment we reached bowl eligibility that it would be a full class and see no reason to change that belief.
 
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