http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...kill-man-who-insisted-on-warrant-witness-says
Losing our rights since the Patriot Act.
Losing our rights since the Patriot Act.
Man asks for warrant, killed by cops.
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This is ridiculous. He's white so nobody cares. Another abusive LEO who will not be charged with murder when he should be. Protect and Serve, riiiiiiight.
Maybe it was roid rage. Half of your local cops look like comic book characters now because they're all juicing. Dunno why it hasn't been made an issue. They're given deadly weapons and aren't tested for HGH or roids.
A few thoughts:
- Hate to be that guy, but let's wait for more information before condemning (although it sounds bad for the po-po).
- Witnessed named "Bristol Edge." Sounds like an energy drink by ESPN.
- Sheriff requested the investigation by the state agency, which is at least the proper procedure (regardless of whether the investigation will ultimately be a cover-up or not), so kudos there.
- If this is all true, scary that someone asserting constitutional rights ends up dead at the hands of cops.
Trot out a few terrorists to scare you and you'll gladly hand over your freedom. Hell, you'll vote to do it.
Here's another white guy getting shot by a woman cop.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-mearkle-david-kassick-shooting-unarmed-video
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-mearkle-david-kassick-shooting-unarmed-video
Need VT to come through and break this whole thing down. He usually has a fresh take on this subject.
Was at a conference on personality disorders in October. Speaker talked about antisocial personality disorder. The type like Dahmer and Bundy.
Said that research shows cops have 35%-45% with antisocial personality disorder. Scary thought that psychopaths are allowed a badge
Said that research shows cops have 35%-45% with antisocial personality disorder. Scary thought that psychopaths are allowed a badge
A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.
“This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.”
He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.
Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.
Jordan alleged his rejection from the police force was discrimination. He sued the city, saying his civil rights were violated because he was denied equal protection under the law.
But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.
“This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.”
He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.
Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.
Jordan alleged his rejection from the police force was discrimination. He sued the city, saying his civil rights were violated because he was denied equal protection under the law.
But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover.
Happens far more than we are made aware. I also blame the courts for this problem. Courts have judicially created an "immunity" for LEO and have made access to juries by the aggrieved parties almost impossible. Not the legislatures, but the courts! Further, there is no universal standard applied amongst the states in these situations. It's a complex situation. However, the primary function of the Courts is to preserve and protect the civil liberties of its citizens. More often than not these days, the Courts are protecting LEO. The antithesis of the tenants of our Constitution.
So the "housemate" tells his and his buddy's side of the story. So nobody really knows what happened. Color me unimpressed. I might wait until all the forensic stuff comes to light before jumping to conclusions based on his buddy's account of the shooting. Anybody ever consider that his buddy could possibly be a lying POS who doesn't like the police?
Someone in police uniform comes up to your door and wants to enter to search the house.
You ask for a warrant and they don't have one and proceed to knock down your door and man handle you.
You would totally OK with that then?
I'd be mad also if a friend was killed by a police force that wipes it a$$ with the 4th Amendment.
Do you know to a fact that is what happened? Nope, you don't and I don't either. That's why I wait until I see facts and evidence before I try to make determinations about things. I try not to base my judgment on statements made by a biased party just so I can't be outraged about something I obviously know little about.
First, I got nothing to hide, especially a fleeing felon, so knock yourself out Mr Policeman.
No, knocking down my door wouldnt be ok with me...neither would be getting killed and leaving behind 4 children because my stupid *** decided to fight the police and struggle to disarm one. My better judgement says If that happened "lawyer up" and at least LIVE.
And for those that think police arent held accountable for their actions, yeah sometimes they get away with breaking the law themselves (alot of guilty folks get away with doing wrong) but Federal Prison is full of crooked cops.
The same posters always ***** about this issue as if its new news. How stupid do you have to be to fight the police? You are going to lose PERIOD! Theres no winning. Accept the fact that they will always have more authority than you (on the surface). Lawyer up and roll the dice. At least theres a 50/50 chance of winning that fight. Look at this guy...dead as hell. Even If the police are found to be wrong it changes nothing the guy is still dead. Even If the police are sent to prison for life and raped every day, guess what...the guy is still dead. This time next year nobody outside of his family and friends will even remember his name.
I can see that. But after you see a few hundred traffic fatalities, murder victims, rotten corpses, charred burnt bodies and spend the majority of your days in the presence of drug addicts, hookers, thieves, liars, cheats, child abusers, wife beaters etc...WTH do you expect a police officers personality to be like? You enter into the proffession wanting to change society for the good and it changes you instead. If you dont change, you wont make it. You become desensitized to violence. You isolate yourself from society because the society you see everyday is "dark" and "dirty" and you want no part of it If you can help it. After awhile you look up and your too old to do anything else and the best you can hope for is to suffer through from days off to days off and hope for a retirement free of sweaty nightmares, alcohol abuse and cogestive heart failure.
First post Ive made in about 3 weeks. Been too busy to sit down. Figured this thread needed a straw to "stir the drink".
I would expect them to have PTSD and that means they need treatment. Because the number one issue with PTSD is trust. And you can't have a bunch of PTSD riddled cops out roaming the streets with "trust issues" tied to their PTSD triggers (suspicious criminal activity) which for most people who have untreated PTSD, they take their anger out on other people.
Oh and VT- Antisocial personality is something that develops very young. Most of these traumas pieces haven't even occurred yet. So trauma cannot be used as an excuse for sociopathic behavior.
How do you treat something that is part of your neverending lifestyle? Its not like a single act(being raped) or short term exposure (war), its part of the life 8hrs a day. You cant change it and truth is, in a sick way you dont want to because it is that same PTSD that limits trust and raises suspicions which might keep you alive. Sadly, If you dont have this PTSD you probably arent much of a cop.
Then I dont buy the number being as high as 35-45 percent IF the anti-social personality disorder was present prior to hiring, especially on the level of a Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer. Hiring involves some pretty extensive psychological screening by independant sources and sociopathic behavior is not a desired trait. Maybe its in what the "research" defines as anti-social. Ive known a few cops that had rough homelives growing up that made them a little abrasive but none had a desire to murder co-eds or eat human flesh.
I agree with your first paragraph. PTSD isn't curable and the only way to treat it is through managing your symptoms. And even at that, you have use mindfulness practices to be aware of your traiggers. No doubt about it. It's a tough job and I am glad they are there. But VT, I just don't like police. When I see them I avoid them. I will walk out of my way to not even make eye contact with them. I don't wanna talk to them. I just want to stay away from them.
As for the antisocial personality. I dunno, just parroting what a personality doctor was talking about at the conference,
You, quite literally, are a coward. And a sniveling one at that.
Of course you can "live" under the boot if you have no pride. If you don't mind bending when they tell you to just so you don't have to confront the yoke.
Sometimes men die because they have had enough. Rather than scoff at that like some chickenshit coward because you'd rather grovel and submit than stand your ground in the face of death then at least have the courtesy to STFU rather than criticize a MAN that died because he would rather do so than bend over.
Then by all means continue the good fight, HERO.
Maybe when you grow up you will realize that the responsibility of being there for your kids trumps any horseshit non-conformist "pride" you see in dying on the porch of a mobile home trying to disarm a police officer. Real patriotism there, fella.
There is no better place to die than on the porch of a mobile home trying to disarm a police officer. He decided he'd had enough and that he was going to make a stand. That's called being a man. Most cultures honor such bravery when a man is willing to lay down his life rather than submit.
You represent why our country is crumbling all around us. You and your chickenshit groveling cowardice have surrendered this country. Suckup to the powerful and submit to their demands regardless of your own personal pride.
Do you think a soldier would rather go to battle with your cowardly spineless *** next to them or do you think they'd rather have that guy that died on his front porch fighting the cops?
More importantly, your point on kids. Do you want your kid to remember you for being a coward and kneeling like a beyotch or do you want them to remember you for not bending over and bootlicking when he was told to do so?
Pretty clear what your decisions are so no need to respond with anymore of your whiny cowardly sniveling posts. I get that you bend over and spread them at the drop of a hat.
You represent why our country is crumbling all around us. You and your chickenshit groveling cowardice have surrendered this country. Suckup to the powerful and submit to their demands regardless of your own personal pride.
Do you think a soldier would rather go to battle with your cowardly spineless *** next to them or do you think they'd rather have that guy that died on his front porch fighting the cops?
More importantly, your point on kids. Do you want your kid to remember you for being a coward and kneeling like a beyotch or do you want them to remember you for not bending over and bootlicking when he was told to do so?
Pretty clear what your decisions are so no need to respond with anymore of your whiny cowardly sniveling posts. I get that you bend over and spread them at the drop of a hat.
Damn, I almost always side with the "too many cops are terrible" side of these weekly arguments, but wow.
Mountains and molehills. Is it really submitting if you pursue your legal remedies after the fact for an unconstitutional search? Not really. Temporarily, maybe, but there are other remedies. If not, then the 4th Amendment would be toothless (inb4 "it already is lolzors"). Instead, we have a justice system. It's far from perfect, but it means you don't have to suffer an invasion of rights without legal redress. Because we have other remedies, not everything needs to be a life and death stand. Frankly, if anything, your ire should be directed at court decisions that erode substantive rights, prosecutors that fail to faithfully pursue/prosecute, and departments that have a "back the cop always" mentality.
That doesn't excuse the cop (assuming this story is true as stated), or the culture that makes it us v. them. And the cop here deserves the full brunt of whatever punishment is proper after a full investigation.
The rest of your post is making way too much out of way too little. Soldiers? WTF? This isn't 'Nam, Walter. I sense a lot of "And Justice for All" on your playlist.
Very interesting subject. I started studying personality disorders when I was trying to figure out this Histrionic PD (I diagnosed her) chick I hooked up with. 35-40% sounds very high. I mean, ASPD means they don't have any remorse and will do whatever they feel like whenever. That's scary.
Read that statement to yourself. Think about it. Then tell yourself, "I wrote that. Therefore, I am a dumbace, I suck, and I should quit posting."
I think I would prefer to be around, so they would not have to remember me. You know, so they will have a father growing up to support them both financially and emotionally.
VT is keeping it real and being honest. You're just some macho-wanna-be poser who no doubt "kneels like a beyotch" every day of his life.
It is incredibly stupid to me to get into a physical altercation with a police officer. This will never end well for you.
They will kill you (hundreds of people are killed by police every year just like porch guy) Your death will accomplish little to nothing other than pain and sorrow for your surviving family.
If the officer is in the wrong, fight it in court and try to effect change through legal means.
They will kill you (hundreds of people are killed by police every year just like porch guy) Your death will accomplish little to nothing other than pain and sorrow for your surviving family.
If the officer is in the wrong, fight it in court and try to effect change through legal means.