Man Made Globing Warming,

KyFaninNC

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[roll] Don't look up!
I saw your post after I posted that. Give you props to answer and it was a good answer. But, the dooms dayers have been wrong about everything so far, hard to trust what they say now, in fact, I don’t trust them.
 

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RacerX.ksr

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Nice dodge. Can't address the application of simple cause and effect so make a personal attack.
Gotcha![winking]
It wasn't a dodge Pedro. I assumed you actually believed what you wrote and that was my response. You gave me nothing to dodge.
 

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My opinion has nothing to do with Trump, or politics. The 20th century normal temp means little, we're using entirely different methods, and many more locations to monitor temp now, and better accuracy, the rest is filled in data.

You're missing the point Trump was making, all the models have been wrong to this point. Why would you look at them now, and not be skeptical?
All the models haven't been wrong.
 

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How about the model that said it wouldn't rain until after the Derby? All that one had to do was get it right one day out. The models are most often wrong because way too much weight was given to CO2. Water vapor is many times more responsible for climate than CO2 is.

Before you tell me that CO2 molecules can stay in the atmosphere for 100 years, you were weren't you? Let me tell you that there is a phenomenon called evaporation that ensures there is always a plentiful supply of H2O in the atmosphere as well. Doesn't matter if the average lifespan of a single molecule is 10 days.
 
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Some questions.

How much research have we listed about the big giant ball of fire in the sky and the predictability of it producing the same output?

How much damage does the mining for rare earth minerals that are needed for windmills, solar panels, and etc. cause?

How much more coal will we burn at power plants that produce our energy when we all switch to electric cars and power tools?

How much of an impact will all the batteries make on the resources required to make and dispose of them?

Which debt slave financial system will replace the petrodollar?
 

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btw, do you know where your solar panels are manufactured? and are you aware that only a tiny portion of panel manufacturers willingly participate in surveys to determine that industry's own environmental impact? As the production of solar panels requires many harmful chemicals including sodium hydroxide and HF acids. Asian producers have been accused / caught dumping chemicals in natural water patterns. Panel production itself requires the use of large amounts of both water and electricity. Panels produced in Asia are supported by electricity produced from low efficiency fossil operations, with very high emissions. How do we determine the trade-off here? Another process of faith, I suppose.
You've got it all wrong. He's talking about using ORGANIC solar panels. AND they're free! You don't seem to understand utopia very well. Have you even been to Big Rock Candy Mountain?
 

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Definitive science... you're likely one of those who thinks tobacco doesn't cause cancer because there are people that smoke their whole life and live to be 80, 90 yrs old.
I bet you're one of those people who blindly believe that 4162 people die each year from second hand smoke.
 
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Duh. Bitcoins. Obviously.

Yup making sense now. I thought we would save some trees with a paperless currency. You evil bastards.

Bitcoin mining consumes more energy than 159 countries

It takes a whopping 29.05 TWh (terawatt hours, equal to one million megawatt hours) annually to operate the energy-hungry computers and networks that power bitcoin transactions. That's about 0.13 percent of total global electricity consumption, according to Digiconomist. That would rank bitcoin as 61st if it were its own country.
 

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How about the model that said it wouldn't rain until after the Derby? All that one had to do was get it right one day out. The models are most often wrong because way too much weight was given to CO2. Water vapor is many times more responsible for climate than CO2 is.

Before you tell me that CO2 molecules can stay in the atmosphere for 100 years, you were weren't you? Let me tell you that there is a phenomenon called evaporation that ensures there is always a plentiful supply of H2O in the atmosphere as well. Doesn't matter if the average lifespan of a single molecule is 10 days.
SMH... I think all of the 7 day weather models for the Derby said there was a high probability it would rain somewhere around Derby day. Believe me, I had a motorcycle trip planned for that weekend and was paying pretty close attention. We were down on the TN/NC border and fortunate for us the rain didn't hit there until Saturday night.

Don't quit your day job. "Water vapor is many more times responsible for climate than CO2"? Water vapor is simply a state of H2O and that state is dependent upon temperature among other things. Temperature is dependent upon the weather...the composite of the weather over decades and centuries = climate.

I bet you're one of those people who blindly believe that 4162 people die each year from second hand smoke.
Can you prove that they don't?

I recall when people were allowed to smoke everywhere...hotels, restaurants, airplanes, work that being around smoking people didn't bother me, didn't even notice it because you go nose blind to the smell. Now just stepping on an elevator with someone who has been smoking about makes you want to barf. Note to smokers...you guys and gals stink! Are you making the argument that none of that smoke actually gets into a non-smoker's lungs?
Now I'm sure as we get further and further away from when smokers were allowed to smoke anywhere that the numbers affected by second hand smoke will decline.
 

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SMH... I think all of the 7 day weather models for the Derby said there was a high probability it would rain somewhere around Derby day. Believe me, I had a motorcycle trip planned for that weekend and was paying pretty close attention. We were down on the TN/NC border and fortunate for us the rain didn't hit there until Saturday night.

Don't quit your day job. "Water vapor is many more times responsible for climate than CO2"? Water vapor is simply a state of H2O and that state is dependent upon temperature among other things. Temperature is dependent upon the weather...the composite of the weather over decades and centuries = climate.


Can you prove that they don't?

I recall when people were allowed to smoke everywhere...hotels, restaurants, airplanes, work that being around smoking people didn't bother me, didn't even notice it because you go nose blind to the smell. Now just stepping on an elevator with someone who has been smoking about makes you want to barf. Note to smokers...you guys and gals stink! Are you making the argument that none of that smoke actually gets into a non-smoker's lungs?
Now I'm sure as we get further and further away from when smokers were allowed to smoke anywhere that the numbers affected by second hand smoke will decline.

So much ignorance. Again, do some research.
 
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wrt Al Gore, it's do as i say not as I do.

which is the real fundamental issue here. unless your phone looks like this



instead of a brand new iphone every 2 years because your contract was up, you do not have room to say anything.

fix yourself before you go around pointing fingers.
 

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But maybe Al Gore has a 400 watt organic solar panel to help charge some of his yard tools, just like fuzz does.

Make fun all you want, but I've seen video of Al Gore getting out of his limo at least 50 feet from his private jet. Someone who didn't really care about emissions would probably park right up next to the steps. Al realizes how important it is to walk, just like fuzz does.
 
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If Solar Panels Are So Clean, Why Do They Produce So Much Toxic Waste?

Were these statements made by the right-wing Heritage Foundation? Koch-funded global warming deniers? The editorial board of the Wall Street Journal?

None of the above. Rather, the quotes come from a senior Chinese solar official, a 40-year veteran of the U.S. solar industry, and research scientists with the German Stuttgart Institute for Photovoltaics
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I have no idea firsthand but I cant imagine mining for nickel to create batteries or creating silicon from sand is the easiest and cleanest thing to do.
 
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I have no idea firsthand but I cant imagine mining for nickel to create batteries or creating silicon from sand is the easiest and cleanest thing to do.
Believe it or not, I'm actually a huge fan of renewable energy. In my opinion, solar represents a platform which is comparatively easy to deploy and scale vs wind, hydro or geothermal. It's much more portable.

But long-term disposition of spent PV assets also poses problems.
 
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Believe it or not, I'm actually a huge fan of renewable energy. In my opinion, solar represents a platform which is comparatively easy to deploy and scale vs wind, hydro or geothermal. It's much more portable.

But long-term disposition of spent PV assets also poses problems.
I'm also a huge fan. Here at home we have a fairly small footprint already with solar just now within our affordability reach. I bought the highest efficiency, variable DC blower, Carrier gas furnace available in 1994 that's paid for itself many times over and I've also been recycling newspaper, cardboard, metals and plastic for even longer than that. Got a good buddy that went geothermal 14 years ago and also enjoying it the same way.

But it seems to me there will always be an argument about the ends justifying the means. That being said, battery powered electric motors, natural gas engines and hydrogen fuel cells also excite me since we seem to have a shitload of nickel, nat gas and well, hydrogen.

My daughter is also getting a sustainability taste at school. They not only have recycling programs but also a garden, greenhouse and bee hives that produce fruit smoothies, tea and protein drinks so far. I suppose honey products are coming next year. haha
 
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Once again, fuzz revealing his "go to" method - his mantra - is a firm belief system in what cannot or has not been unproven.

I am not knocking religion, nor specific forms of it, but this method - that mantra of his - is religious methodology 101.

Leaving fuzz alone for a moment, this is the vision we may have, and I'm being completely serious:

Church-like facilities, where believers in MMGW/CC may regularly gather. They may select leaders. Institutions of higher learning may even begin to offer a program equivalent to Seminary, where specific degrees and levels of qualification are obtained. These "churches" may ordain their leaders. Eventually they will adopt a central code from which regular teachings are offered. They may even create ways to theme this code along with other forms of religion (e.g. popular Christian denominations) so that other believers may feel welcome. Christians, atheists, agnostics . . . together for the thing they believe in the most: earth.

And they will tithe. And they will manage their own form of regular observances . . . eat of this soil, drink of this water, breath of this air.

MMGW / CC . . . it will not remain the only faith-based recruiting tool in the history of mankind to sweep the globe without achieving organized forms of worship.
Sorry to disappoint you, but all this you mention has been in place for about 30-40 years on college campuses around the world. MMGW is a religion unto itself and Algore is the Grand Poohbah.