Mara Casey Tieken: DeVos would likely doom rural schools (Gazette) - See more at: http://www.wvgazet

moe

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I think that confirming DeVos is a mistake that's unfortunately about to happen today, needing the VP to break a tie.

On Wednesday, Republican Sens. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski announced their opposition to President Donald Trump’s pick for secretary of education, Betsy DeVos. These senators are from predominantly rural states — Collins from Maine, Murkowski from Alaska — and both cited their states’ rural geography as a reason for their “no” votes. A DeVos appointment, they worried, would fundamentally undermine rural education. As a former rural teacher and a current rural researcher, I suggest other rural senators heed their warning.
DeVos is a strong proponent of school choice. She supports expanding charter schools and reducing their oversight. She is also a proponent of school vouchers, which puts public money toward private schools. Her family foundation has given millions to support programs and candidates that favor school choice, and she has used the bully pulpit of wealth to promote choice as a mechanism of radically reforming education.
But choice only works when you have options, and many rural communities don’t. With their small populations and vast geographies, most rural communities cannot sustain a variety of brick-and-mortar options, public or private. Online schooling is not a viable alternative. Many rural communities lack reliable internet access, and research shows many online schools are academically questionable or ineffective. Also, few parents are willing to enroll their first-grader in an online school.
DeVos has been vague about how she would fund a voucher program. It’s unlikely, though, a Trump administration would put more money toward public education, leading many to speculate she would appropriate federal Title I funding, which currently goes toward the education of poor children.
Thousands of poor rural schools would feel this loss acutely, with cuts to teachers, curriculum, and after-school programming. Rural schools in deeply impoverished areas, like the Mississippi Delta and Appalachia, would likely not recover; Title I cuts could mean their closure. My research suggests closure can have dire consequences for rural communities. Public schools are the center of many of these communities. Families turn out for Friday night basketball. Grandparents volunteer in the school library. Recent immigrants attend Saturday English classes in the cafeteria. These schools employ people, and they support the town gas station, the diner and the bank. They offer school board seats and thus a measure of political power and local control. These rural schools keep rural communities on the map. It is ironic that the very voters who swung the election to Trump — voters in key rural areas — stand to lose the most under this Trump-appointed nominee.DeVos’ favored reforms won’t work for rural communities. An education system predicated on choice could create a second-tier education for rural children and shutter rural schools. I urge you to call your senators. Remind them how much your rural schools matter. Encourage them to join Collins and Murkowsi in opposing her confirmation. Mara Casey Tieken is assistant professor of education at Bates College in Maine and author of “Why Rural Schools Matter.”

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/gazett...devos-would-likely-doom-rural-schools-gazette
 

bamaEER

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I think that confirming DeVos is a mistake that's unfortunately about to happen today, needing the VP to break a tie.

On Wednesday, Republican Sens. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski announced their opposition to President Donald Trump’s pick for secretary of education, Betsy DeVos. These senators are from predominantly rural states — Collins from Maine, Murkowski from Alaska — and both cited their states’ rural geography as a reason for their “no” votes. A DeVos appointment, they worried, would fundamentally undermine rural education. As a former rural teacher and a current rural researcher, I suggest other rural senators heed their warning.
DeVos is a strong proponent of school choice. She supports expanding charter schools and reducing their oversight. She is also a proponent of school vouchers, which puts public money toward private schools. Her family foundation has given millions to support programs and candidates that favor school choice, and she has used the bully pulpit of wealth to promote choice as a mechanism of radically reforming education.
But choice only works when you have options, and many rural communities don’t. With their small populations and vast geographies, most rural communities cannot sustain a variety of brick-and-mortar options, public or private. Online schooling is not a viable alternative. Many rural communities lack reliable internet access, and research shows many online schools are academically questionable or ineffective. Also, few parents are willing to enroll their first-grader in an online school.
DeVos has been vague about how she would fund a voucher program. It’s unlikely, though, a Trump administration would put more money toward public education, leading many to speculate she would appropriate federal Title I funding, which currently goes toward the education of poor children.
Thousands of poor rural schools would feel this loss acutely, with cuts to teachers, curriculum, and after-school programming. Rural schools in deeply impoverished areas, like the Mississippi Delta and Appalachia, would likely not recover; Title I cuts could mean their closure. My research suggests closure can have dire consequences for rural communities. Public schools are the center of many of these communities. Families turn out for Friday night basketball. Grandparents volunteer in the school library. Recent immigrants attend Saturday English classes in the cafeteria. These schools employ people, and they support the town gas station, the diner and the bank. They offer school board seats and thus a measure of political power and local control. These rural schools keep rural communities on the map. It is ironic that the very voters who swung the election to Trump — voters in key rural areas — stand to lose the most under this Trump-appointed nominee.DeVos’ favored reforms won’t work for rural communities. An education system predicated on choice could create a second-tier education for rural children and shutter rural schools. I urge you to call your senators. Remind them how much your rural schools matter. Encourage them to join Collins and Murkowsi in opposing her confirmation. Mara Casey Tieken is assistant professor of education at Bates College in Maine and author of “Why Rural Schools Matter.”

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/gazett...devos-would-likely-doom-rural-schools-gazette
She's clueless.
 

dave

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Wow, she is going to close schools in rural areas? She sounds mean. Luckily we can always trust democrats and the media to be honest!!!!
 

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I think that confirming DeVos is a mistake that's unfortunately about to happen today, needing the VP to break a tie.

On Wednesday, Republican Sens. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski announced their opposition to President Donald Trump’s pick for secretary of education, Betsy DeVos. These senators are from predominantly rural states — Collins from Maine, Murkowski from Alaska — and both cited their states’ rural geography as a reason for their “no” votes. A DeVos appointment, they worried, would fundamentally undermine rural education. As a former rural teacher and a current rural researcher, I suggest other rural senators heed their warning.
DeVos is a strong proponent of school choice. She supports expanding charter schools and reducing their oversight. She is also a proponent of school vouchers, which puts public money toward private schools. Her family foundation has given millions to support programs and candidates that favor school choice, and she has used the bully pulpit of wealth to promote choice as a mechanism of radically reforming education.
But choice only works when you have options, and many rural communities don’t. With their small populations and vast geographies, most rural communities cannot sustain a variety of brick-and-mortar options, public or private. Online schooling is not a viable alternative. Many rural communities lack reliable internet access, and research shows many online schools are academically questionable or ineffective. Also, few parents are willing to enroll their first-grader in an online school.
DeVos has been vague about how she would fund a voucher program. It’s unlikely, though, a Trump administration would put more money toward public education, leading many to speculate she would appropriate federal Title I funding, which currently goes toward the education of poor children.
Thousands of poor rural schools would feel this loss acutely, with cuts to teachers, curriculum, and after-school programming. Rural schools in deeply impoverished areas, like the Mississippi Delta and Appalachia, would likely not recover; Title I cuts could mean their closure. My research suggests closure can have dire consequences for rural communities. Public schools are the center of many of these communities. Families turn out for Friday night basketball. Grandparents volunteer in the school library. Recent immigrants attend Saturday English classes in the cafeteria. These schools employ people, and they support the town gas station, the diner and the bank. They offer school board seats and thus a measure of political power and local control. These rural schools keep rural communities on the map. It is ironic that the very voters who swung the election to Trump — voters in key rural areas — stand to lose the most under this Trump-appointed nominee.DeVos’ favored reforms won’t work for rural communities. An education system predicated on choice could create a second-tier education for rural children and shutter rural schools. I urge you to call your senators. Remind them how much your rural schools matter. Encourage them to join Collins and Murkowsi in opposing her confirmation. Mara Casey Tieken is assistant professor of education at Bates College in Maine and author of “Why Rural Schools Matter.”

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/gazett...devos-would-likely-doom-rural-schools-gazette
I'll take, "won't be installing charter schools in Mingo rural areas for $1000, Alex"
 

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I think that confirming DeVos is a mistake that's unfortunately about to happen today, needing the VP to break a tie.

On Wednesday, Republican Sens. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski announced their opposition to President Donald Trump’s pick for secretary of education, Betsy DeVos. These senators are from predominantly rural states — Collins from Maine, Murkowski from Alaska — and both cited their states’ rural geography as a reason for their “no” votes. A DeVos appointment, they worried, would fundamentally undermine rural education. As a former rural teacher and a current rural researcher, I suggest other rural senators heed their warning.
DeVos is a strong proponent of school choice. She supports expanding charter schools and reducing their oversight. She is also a proponent of school vouchers, which puts public money toward private schools. Her family foundation has given millions to support programs and candidates that favor school choice, and she has used the bully pulpit of wealth to promote choice as a mechanism of radically reforming education.
But choice only works when you have options, and many rural communities don’t. With their small populations and vast geographies, most rural communities cannot sustain a variety of brick-and-mortar options, public or private. Online schooling is not a viable alternative. Many rural communities lack reliable internet access, and research shows many online schools are academically questionable or ineffective. Also, few parents are willing to enroll their first-grader in an online school.
DeVos has been vague about how she would fund a voucher program. It’s unlikely, though, a Trump administration would put more money toward public education, leading many to speculate she would appropriate federal Title I funding, which currently goes toward the education of poor children.
Thousands of poor rural schools would feel this loss acutely, with cuts to teachers, curriculum, and after-school programming. Rural schools in deeply impoverished areas, like the Mississippi Delta and Appalachia, would likely not recover; Title I cuts could mean their closure. My research suggests closure can have dire consequences for rural communities. Public schools are the center of many of these communities. Families turn out for Friday night basketball. Grandparents volunteer in the school library. Recent immigrants attend Saturday English classes in the cafeteria. These schools employ people, and they support the town gas station, the diner and the bank. They offer school board seats and thus a measure of political power and local control. These rural schools keep rural communities on the map. It is ironic that the very voters who swung the election to Trump — voters in key rural areas — stand to lose the most under this Trump-appointed nominee.DeVos’ favored reforms won’t work for rural communities. An education system predicated on choice could create a second-tier education for rural children and shutter rural schools. I urge you to call your senators. Remind them how much your rural schools matter. Encourage them to join Collins and Murkowsi in opposing her confirmation. Mara Casey Tieken is assistant professor of education at Bates College in Maine and author of “Why Rural Schools Matter.”

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/gazett...devos-would-likely-doom-rural-schools-gazette

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They were doing so well pre-Trump. I hope he can only meet your expectations *eye roll*
 

moe

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They were doing so well pre-Trump. I hope he can only meet your expectations *eye roll*
So what is your point regarding DeVos? How will she help any schools in WV? Taking even more money from public schools will help them how? especially in a poor state with even poorer county BOEs. Who is this "he" that you speak of that may or may not meet my expectations? If you're talking about Trump, it would be helpful if he'd withdraw her from consideration but considering that she's about to be confirmed today, I don't see that happening.
 

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So what is your point regarding DeVos? How will she help any schools in WV? Taking even more money from public schools will help them how? especially in a poor state with even poorer county BOEs. Who is this "he" that you speak of that may or may not meet my expectations? If you're talking about Trump, it would be helpful if he'd withdraw her from consideration but considering that she's about to be confirmed today, I don't see that happening.

No matter what happens you'll find something to cry about. You are noise at this point.
 

moe

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No matter what happens you'll find something to cry about. You are noise at this point.
So you've got nothing, that sure is a surprise. Have you seen the protests about her? Even Charleston, WV had people in the streets protesting her. She's a very weak candidate who got schooled during her confirmation hearings but hey, let's put her in there. What could go wrong?

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news-education/20170204/despite-protests-capito-still-supports-devos
 

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Mntneer

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Charter Schools... the left's education boogey man. :rolleyes:

What was the phrase the left liked to use in a mocking tone? Heck of a job Brownie.
 

moe

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Charter Schools... the left's education boogey man. :rolleyes:

What was the phrase the left liked to use in a mocking tone? Heck of a job Brownie.
Do you think that she'll be good for rural schools and WV?
 

TarHeelEer

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I commend you on your most excellent defense of Ms. DeVos lol.

I can't and won't defend her nor Trump. I just won't listen to your crying over little things, or things that haven't even happened yet. You're looking for the monster under your bed.
 

moe

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I can't and won't defend her nor Trump. I just won't listen to your crying over little things, or things that haven't even happened yet. You're looking for the monster under your bed.
You see, the whole idea is to try to prevent the bad things from happening to begin with by putting someone in there who has a more balanced viewpoint and at least some experience with public schools. Maybe they can get her up to speed once she's in there, shew. Again, it's not just me, tell me what other cabinet sec'y candidate have people protested in the street over?
 

TarHeelEer

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You see, the whole idea is to try to prevent the bad things from happening to begin with by putting someone in there who has a more balanced viewpoint and at least some experience with public schools. Maybe they can get her up to speed once she's in there, shew.

Meaning status quo. That's not going to fly. Hope and change baby, all the way.
 

bamaEER

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So what is your point regarding DeVos? How will she help any schools in WV? Taking even more money from public schools will help them how? especially in a poor state with even poorer county BOEs. Who is this "he" that you speak of that may or may not meet my expectations? If you're talking about Trump, it would be helpful if he'd withdraw her from consideration but considering that she's about to be confirmed today, I don't see that happening.
The very fact that she has no real working knowledge of federal education programs nor does she understand the mission of US Dept of Ed makes me think Biff will simply use her to downsize the department, period. Like Pruitt, she's not there to lead the agency, she's there to minimize it.
 

bamaEER

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And there's your issue, not that she's not qualified. The rest of us, we don't have a problem with it. Carry on your noise.
Well, it would be nice if she could minimize and still lead, but as I said already, that's not what she's there for.
 
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I just won't listen to your crying over little things,

The public education system in the US is not a "little thing".

Republicans - we don't need no education.

 

TarHeelEer

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Your solution is privatization? Charter schools are still subject to the same funding issues

More state control, let them choose. Yes, more charter schools with models that work. Charter schools work well in urban areas.

Side note: any organization that receives government money, and in turn donates to elections or lobbies the government, needs to not receive government money anymore. NEA, Planned Parenthood, etc... it needs to stop.
 

Boomboom521

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More state control, let them choose. Yes, more charter schools with models that work. Charter schools work well in urban areas.

Side note: any organization that receives government money, and in turn donates to elections or lobbies the government, needs to not receive government money anymore. NEA, Planned Parenthood, etc... it needs to stop.
Charter schools are subject to losing their charter, if superintendents and principals were empowered to make drastic changes to faculty, curriculum, and funding....the effect would be almost identical.
 

rog1187

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I think that confirming DeVos is a mistake that's unfortunately about to happen today, needing the VP to break a tie.

On Wednesday, Republican Sens. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski announced their opposition to President Donald Trump’s pick for secretary of education, Betsy DeVos. These senators are from predominantly rural states — Collins from Maine, Murkowski from Alaska — and both cited their states’ rural geography as a reason for their “no” votes. A DeVos appointment, they worried, would fundamentally undermine rural education. As a former rural teacher and a current rural researcher, I suggest other rural senators heed their warning.
DeVos is a strong proponent of school choice. She supports expanding charter schools and reducing their oversight. She is also a proponent of school vouchers, which puts public money toward private schools. Her family foundation has given millions to support programs and candidates that favor school choice, and she has used the bully pulpit of wealth to promote choice as a mechanism of radically reforming education.
But choice only works when you have options, and many rural communities don’t. With their small populations and vast geographies, most rural communities cannot sustain a variety of brick-and-mortar options, public or private. Online schooling is not a viable alternative. Many rural communities lack reliable internet access, and research shows many online schools are academically questionable or ineffective. Also, few parents are willing to enroll their first-grader in an online school.
DeVos has been vague about how she would fund a voucher program. It’s unlikely, though, a Trump administration would put more money toward public education, leading many to speculate she would appropriate federal Title I funding, which currently goes toward the education of poor children.
Thousands of poor rural schools would feel this loss acutely, with cuts to teachers, curriculum, and after-school programming. Rural schools in deeply impoverished areas, like the Mississippi Delta and Appalachia, would likely not recover; Title I cuts could mean their closure. My research suggests closure can have dire consequences for rural communities. Public schools are the center of many of these communities. Families turn out for Friday night basketball. Grandparents volunteer in the school library. Recent immigrants attend Saturday English classes in the cafeteria. These schools employ people, and they support the town gas station, the diner and the bank. They offer school board seats and thus a measure of political power and local control. These rural schools keep rural communities on the map. It is ironic that the very voters who swung the election to Trump — voters in key rural areas — stand to lose the most under this Trump-appointed nominee.DeVos’ favored reforms won’t work for rural communities. An education system predicated on choice could create a second-tier education for rural children and shutter rural schools. I urge you to call your senators. Remind them how much your rural schools matter. Encourage them to join Collins and Murkowsi in opposing her confirmation. Mara Casey Tieken is assistant professor of education at Bates College in Maine and author of “Why Rural Schools Matter.”

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/gazett...devos-would-likely-doom-rural-schools-gazette
I don't like the idea of using public money for private schools. If people want to go to private schools then they should find the means to do it themselves. We need to work on improving the public schools.
 

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Charter schools are subject to losing their charter, if superintendents and principals were empowered to make drastic changes to faculty, curriculum, and funding....the effect would be almost identical.

Then public schools would be *gasp*... charter schools. But carry on.
 

moe

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I don't like the idea of using public money for private schools. If people want to go to private schools then they should find the means to do it themselves. We need to work on improving the public schools.
If she's part of the solution, fine but I don't want to see her hurt WV schools/students, we already have enough problems here.
 

dave

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You see, the whole idea is to try to prevent the bad things from happening to begin with by putting someone in there who has a more balanced viewpoint and at least some experience with public schools. Maybe they can get her up to speed once she's in there, shew. Again, it's not just me, tell me what other cabinet sec'y candidate have people protested in the street over?
Funny how that started just Jan. 20. You didnt care the previous 8 years so now you can sit down and be quiet.
 
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More state control, let them choose. Yes, more charter schools with models that work. Charter schools work well in urban areas.

Side note: any organization that receives government money, and in turn donates to elections or lobbies the government, needs to not receive government money anymore. NEA, Planned Parenthood, etc... it needs to stop.

The NEA doesn't receive federal money and is prohibited by federal law from helping particular federal candidates and specific political parties.
 

moe

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How will she "hurt" WV schools?
See the article above that the thread is about...

DeVos has been vague about how she would fund a voucher program. It’s unlikely, though, a Trump administration would put more money toward public education, leading many to speculate she would appropriate federal Title I funding, which currently goes toward the education of poor children.
Thousands of poor rural schools would feel this loss acutely, with cuts to teachers, curriculum, and after-school programming. Rural schools in deeply impoverished areas, like the Mississippi Delta and Appalachia, would likely not recover; Title I cuts could mean their closure. My research suggests closure can have dire consequences for rural communities.
 

TarHeelEer

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The NEA doesn't receive federal money and is prohibited by federal law from helping particular federal candidates and specific political parties.

Most of their funding does come from dues, but they do receive federal grants. I didn't say they did, but they lobby the crap out of everyone.
 

rog1187

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If she's part of the solution, fine but I don't want to see her hurt WV schools/students, we already have enough problems here.
I'm not saying she is or isn't part of the solution for WV. I see my son being held back in his current class because others aren't where they should be. We (my wife) gives him extra work at home and pushes him to do more and try harder things...but the rest of the class isn't there so the teacher is keeping everyone at the same level until they can all get the concepts. There needs to be a way to move kids around so they're in similar classes based on their current situation learning-wise. Why should my son be penalized for being ahead of others in his class - if we didn't push him, then it wouldn't happen at school. I'm not faulting the teacher, but rather the system.
 

Mntneer

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See the article above that the thread is about...

DeVos has been vague about how she would fund a voucher program. It’s unlikely, though, a Trump administration would put more money toward public education, leading many to speculate she would appropriate federal Title I funding, which currently goes toward the education of poor children.
Thousands of poor rural schools would feel this loss acutely, with cuts to teachers, curriculum, and after-school programming. Rural schools in deeply impoverished areas, like the Mississippi Delta and Appalachia, would likely not recover; Title I cuts could mean their closure. My research suggests closure can have dire consequences for rural communities.

So pure speculation that she'll push voucher programs and take from Title 1 funding, shutting down rural WV schools.

And do you think WV would let those schools shut down?
 

Boomboom521

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Then public schools would be *gasp*... charter schools. But carry on.
Charter schools, because they are subject to losing their charter are vulnerable to funding pressures that make the process much more political. Superintendents held accountable, administrators held accountable, teachers held accountable....not through testing only, but a more comprehensive evaluation. Unions out! Tenure out! Give teachers incentives for progress, more teachers - smaller class sizes.
 

Boomboom521

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Then public schools would be *gasp*... charter schools. But carry on.
I'd also like some type of government sponsored military school tuition program for students with disciplinary issues....get them out of the schools, but not send them to juvenile.