Closer to 2 million because they have to pay next year's salary either way. Point is, one is a lump sum and the other is 42 monthly payments.
Mark Stoops nearing "Dead Man Walking" status
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I know the buyout is to much at this point...... but id love to see him fired now and just see how the team reacts. It cant be any worse then getting the hell kicked out of them every week.
I don't accept the premise that you either lose with a nice guy or win with a scumbag. Coaches like Chuck Noll were hard-nosed but decent people. And he won. And he was demanding. You don't get the nickname "Emperor" for no reason.
Erik, the talent is there. To be fair, it's not there to win the NC or even the SEC, but it's there to have beaten Florida these past 3 years. We just haven't had the right coaches in the right positions to make them shine.
Holy crap, UKAA is going to get at least $40 million dollars from SEC Network every year going forward. Plenty of cash to buyout this bozo and move on.
Easy there. I don't hate him and would love it if he could be successful.
recommend Shock Top..12 pack plus 3 can bonus, 15 for $14 at Kroger... like a blue moon without having to mess with the oranges.
If Barnhart isn't ****-canned too, he should have to pay the buy out. He's the idiot that thought it was deserved. Put him on the payment plan!
I projected them to go 5-7. At this point, I don't see much chance of them getting there. Most likely 3-9, or 4-8. Today's performance was embarrassing...not because we lost, but because the players gave up. I'd accept the loss if our guys were giving 100% effort a la Jordan Jones. Today's performance was unacceptable, not because we lost, but how we lost. Most of the team laid down, and that has to be put squarely on the shoulders of the head coach.
Metallicas new song Hardwired sounds like it was written about UK Football
"We're so f*****
S*** out of luck
Hardwired to self destruct"
"We're so f*****
S*** out of luck
Hardwired to self destruct"
I look for a behind the scenes deal where Stoops will "resign" in exchange for a slightly smaller buyout. That way both Stoops and Barnhart can save what little respect they have left.
Saban a lot more furious with his team than Stoops. Why? Why is it always 'we just have to go back to work.' A lot of Rich Brooks players feared him. That is probably one attribute Stoops lacks that puts him a step down. His talk is generally without 'meat' and just the same rhetoric over and over. Just not competitive enough personality and refuses to be blunt, unlike Brooks. Very much a 'politically correct' type of guy.
I think that would be the best situation.Yes, since that would make total sense on Stoop's part..
there has to be something in his contract about Unbecoming of a coach. Something of having a moral value of some kind like thievery. For the performance we are getting and he's getting paid that is theft
And for that **** contract, Microwave Mitch should be burned at the stake... I mean WTF?!?
Schlarman getting a raise is another ridiculous decision. Based upon what success should that guy get a raise? Were other teams clamoring for his services?
We had an elite coach BEGGING us for an opportunity. Mitch refused.
GTFO... All coaches and AD.
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First off, I wrote a formal letter to Mitch 4 years ago pleading him to consider Petrino for the job. When a HOF Coach who you know will succeed knocks on your door - you should answer. Instead we have dick-fingered Mitch calling the shots. I got zero response for my beautifully-prosed letter, shockingly.
Stoops' downward trajectory revealed itself after ULL and EKU games... Revolving OCs, blaming Towles/Dawson, no ST coach?!?! Boom/Dorian primadonna ********. High performance...Ponderous ineptitude.
Stoops got a long leash because:
Stupid-*** AD, Recruiting rankings and his last name. That's it. He beat no one.
I predicted 3-4 wins this March and got ridiculed/mugged here. I begged moron posters to pump their brakes instead of sunshine. Where you at (I won't call you out, you know who)?
One can even evaluate beyond the wins and just appreciate hard effort. I'm one of those guys...However, the 'look-test' criteria for evaluation is that this '16 team quit.
$12M buyout will be a drop in the bucket if this isn't remedied with a HomeRun hire in December.
I've said it for 10 years, UK FB needs a wartime consigliere, not Tom Hayden. Last year, opening the stadium, Mitch thought his time symbolically sweeping loge boxes was a great moment (as he proudly Tweeted). I thought to myself(and Tweeted back), this moron clearing $20k a paycheck could've hired half of Brazil to do this work better.
Whoever donated countless thousands of dollars for the Training Facility should sue for misappropriating their money. The same folks should pressure the BOT to purge the Athletics Department as they've PROVEN the inability to hire top notch coaches, evaluate performance and write/award industry standard contracts (or MOU's :flushed.
This is a goddamn mess ONLY to be cleaned up by a real coaching staff that WINS games.
Stoops' downward trajectory revealed itself after ULL and EKU games... Revolving OCs, blaming Towles/Dawson, no ST coach?!?! Boom/Dorian primadonna ********. High performance...Ponderous ineptitude.
Stoops got a long leash because:
Stupid-*** AD, Recruiting rankings and his last name. That's it. He beat no one.
I predicted 3-4 wins this March and got ridiculed/mugged here. I begged moron posters to pump their brakes instead of sunshine. Where you at (I won't call you out, you know who)?
One can even evaluate beyond the wins and just appreciate hard effort. I'm one of those guys...However, the 'look-test' criteria for evaluation is that this '16 team quit.
$12M buyout will be a drop in the bucket if this isn't remedied with a HomeRun hire in December.
I've said it for 10 years, UK FB needs a wartime consigliere, not Tom Hayden. Last year, opening the stadium, Mitch thought his time symbolically sweeping loge boxes was a great moment (as he proudly Tweeted). I thought to myself(and Tweeted back), this moron clearing $20k a paycheck could've hired half of Brazil to do this work better.
Whoever donated countless thousands of dollars for the Training Facility should sue for misappropriating their money. The same folks should pressure the BOT to purge the Athletics Department as they've PROVEN the inability to hire top notch coaches, evaluate performance and write/award industry standard contracts (or MOU's :flushed
.This is a goddamn mess ONLY to be cleaned up by a real coaching staff that WINS games.
For someone who isn't a numbers person, these are pretty alarming numbers. Lets assume Stoops is fired after next season is over:
Stoops buyout: $12 million; hopefully due in installments and not all at once.
Assistants' buyouts: $2-3 million
New Head Coach salary: $4 million (I use this figure because yes we can get a career assistant for $2-3 million but if we fire Stoops we're gonna go big and any "big" coach will demand this kind of money)
New assistants' salaries: $3 million
We are looking at anywhere from $21-22 million in coaches' salaries debt.
Add $125 million for Commonwealth and $45 million for the practice facility and we are talking almost $200 million in debt.
How do we make that up?
1) Higher ticket prices= will fans be willing to pony up after having to start a rebuild process YET AGAIN?
2) SEC revenue= it helps but it won't solve the problem
3) New sponsors/donors- possibly, but I imagine that having to start anew will also cost us some
4) Increased merchandise sales- there will be initial excitement for whoever the new coach is, but if his first season produces no bowl, expect it to die down quickly.
5) Rob a bank- may just have to at this point.
Stoops buyout: $12 million; hopefully due in installments and not all at once.
Assistants' buyouts: $2-3 million
New Head Coach salary: $4 million (I use this figure because yes we can get a career assistant for $2-3 million but if we fire Stoops we're gonna go big and any "big" coach will demand this kind of money)
New assistants' salaries: $3 million
We are looking at anywhere from $21-22 million in coaches' salaries debt.
Add $125 million for Commonwealth and $45 million for the practice facility and we are talking almost $200 million in debt.
How do we make that up?
1) Higher ticket prices= will fans be willing to pony up after having to start a rebuild process YET AGAIN?
2) SEC revenue= it helps but it won't solve the problem
3) New sponsors/donors- possibly, but I imagine that having to start anew will also cost us some
4) Increased merchandise sales- there will be initial excitement for whoever the new coach is, but if his first season produces no bowl, expect it to die down quickly.
5) Rob a bank- may just have to at this point.
Wish I had a 12 million buyout in my contract at work.....
The UK basketball legacy hired Cal.I've never liked Mitch. I've always thought he was a goober.
The UK basketball legacy hired Cal.I've never liked Mitch. I've always thought he was a goober.
He was fiery when he first arrived... I'm sure Mitch ask him to tone it down...
Ukerik, appreciate the post as always.
I agree about the "point" being a real place. I dunno if stoops is there, but if he isn't he has to be close.
If money were no issue, can u share your thoughts on what u think a reasonable solution would be? Big picture, I really worry about the recruiting going forward. It would appear if nothing is done soon, another rebuild is inevitable---which seems to be a perpetual state of our football program. Essentially, U.K. Will have wasted 2 classes---assuming we start losing this class. If we fire stoops soon, we likely lose one. Who are legitimate candidates? Can anyone recruit like stoops has? I realize the money is a huge issue, but I think doing nothing in the short term may cost uk more.
Firing both Mitch and stoops seems like an enormous risk/reward endeavor. Extremely costly. May turn away legitimate candidates. However, it could signal a determination to correct the football culture. Very complicated situation. U.K. Seems to b the inevitable loser in any situation. Very frustrating.
I simply don't know what to think about Mitch. Good man. However, he has largely failed in 3 of his 4 biggest hires and the stoops contract is patently absurd.
I agree about the "point" being a real place. I dunno if stoops is there, but if he isn't he has to be close.
If money were no issue, can u share your thoughts on what u think a reasonable solution would be? Big picture, I really worry about the recruiting going forward. It would appear if nothing is done soon, another rebuild is inevitable---which seems to be a perpetual state of our football program. Essentially, U.K. Will have wasted 2 classes---assuming we start losing this class. If we fire stoops soon, we likely lose one. Who are legitimate candidates? Can anyone recruit like stoops has? I realize the money is a huge issue, but I think doing nothing in the short term may cost uk more.
Firing both Mitch and stoops seems like an enormous risk/reward endeavor. Extremely costly. May turn away legitimate candidates. However, it could signal a determination to correct the football culture. Very complicated situation. U.K. Seems to b the inevitable loser in any situation. Very frustrating.
I simply don't know what to think about Mitch. Good man. However, he has largely failed in 3 of his 4 biggest hires and the stoops contract is patently absurd.
Great read as always from Erik. My personal feelings had me dissatisfied at seasons end last year but chalked it up to the Dawson/Stoops saga (which looks entirely different now) and figured we'd be OK this year. The Southern Miss game was the last straw for me, but I think the point of no return will be in two weeks v Vanderbilt. Their defense is solid. Their offense is anemic but we've all seen how those offenses look like they have Heilman candidates when they face us.
We've got to beat New Mexico State. A loss to the Aggies is a definitive final nail in the coffin, no buts about it. The team should have enough pride to compete there. Hut if it's a horrible win and then we lose to Vandy, the following week is a slaughter fest in Tuscaloosa and at that point Stoops is done and fans move entirely on to basketball.
We've got to beat New Mexico State. A loss to the Aggies is a definitive final nail in the coffin, no buts about it. The team should have enough pride to compete there. Hut if it's a horrible win and then we lose to Vandy, the following week is a slaughter fest in Tuscaloosa and at that point Stoops is done and fans move entirely on to basketball.
Good post. Hopefully the dialogue in this thread continues with the same sort of contemplation. There are way too many posters here just offering idiotic attacks to get attention and to bait. Your offering has sadly become rare. Everyone knows you are frustrated and in pain, but you brought a measured reasonable starting point for discussion.
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I want NB to be successful. I do not think he has yet demonstrated he is ready for this job. It is bad enough seeing Stoops fail. But, watching an ex-UK player fail is more devastating. Joker Phillips should be loved by fans for his play on the field, yet he is still bashed for his coaching failures. I would prefer Brown be established and recognized as a talented HC before taking that chance with him.
If you know now or soon that he will not be retained, waiting until 12/1 to formally fire him places UK at a disadvantage in the marketplace. Bama, LSU and other powers can hire recognized talent between 12/1 and signing period. They are destination spots. UK should consider whether getting a jump on the public process is served by starting sooner. This is especially true for any coach that is currently available. There is a reason why 12/1 is a cutoff. On the other hand, firing too soon can devastate anything that is currently good in a program. There is a metric for this sort of thing. Hopefully timing will maximize the benefit to UK and minimize the harm, regardless of the buyout.
This is what SEC football programs do with coaching performances into their fourth year that we are witnessing here.
This is what Mitch would do with a basketball coach that would be giving similar results would he not?
Dave
No. Contrary to popular belief on here, Mitch has NO authority over what happens on the basketball side. That is why we hired Peevy. Because Mitch has been so inept, he lost the right to take care of the basketball program
Exactly! They've wasted this much money for 40 years, so why not waste more and do what you've got to do to be competitive?
Nail-head.
Stoops has been in over his head since day one and all of those that drank the kool-aid and bought into the Yahtzee bs were as clueless. $12M is irrelevant at this point.
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Hey, how about arresting Stoops for impersonating a head football coach!?!?
Spica Orbit
I really like Mark Stoops. I'd love to see him be the next Urban Meyer or Nick Saban. I just don't have confidence in him anymore. I pray he turns it around because winning cures a lot of ills. I don't see it happening though. And unfortunately for us fans, we are stuck with him through next year I'd say. Thanks to our brilliant AD and his generous contract extension. And because Mitch is committed to him. If Mitch is gonna be allowed to be involved in the hiring of our next coach, we're better off to keep Stoops. Mitch will just replace him with another bad hire.