To me the biggest thing I've seen when I watch UK play is it really looks like the players have QUIT on Stoops. You see it all the time. When a coach loses the locker room and the players quit on him then everything kind of snowballs downward. Stoops is really at a crossroad in his coaching tenure at your school. It either gets better for your team or it continues to go downhill leading to the end of his tenure. And observing from his interviews, he knows it.
Mark Stoops?
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From what I have seen, he is a bit of a micromanager and, quite frankly, people usually don't work well when they are being micromanaged and having someone looking over their shoulder while they do everything. Players, coaches, staff, etc. probably don't do their best work when they feel like they are being scrutinized with every little thing they do
Micromanaging is ok as long as the coach is micromanaging the right things. But there is a point where it is overkill and players play best when they react without having to overthink.
I heard there was micromanaging, by people on this board. While there has never been any coach to say as much, it seemed hinted at by the fact it was never talked about by the coaches (in fact Stoops dared to deny it under his past OCs). We can assume micromanaging has occurred because Stoops is a defense coach and the offensive coaches have said they want to go fast and move the sticks. The sticks have not moved and we have not gone fast (except to get to three downs and punt), so Stoops must be micromanaging. Clearly, Stoops wants to punt the ball as much as he can so that he can get his defense back on the field, because he knows defense. Granted, it is all circumstantial and much of it is speculation, but when you are down, expect to be kicked. I now expect to be micromanaged by people on this board.
I've noticed the same. It seems like the players have been quitting more and more the longer he's been here (which is weird because you'd think it would be the exact opposite). I can handle us getting out-talented but when we're blatantly giving up like in the Southern Miss and Florida games it's just a huge, huge red flag and just another in the long list of reasons he's not cut out for the job.
It's never a good sign when you're head coach takes off his headphones at the start of the second half and leaves them off for the rest of the game just standing there not looking at or talking to anyone. Stoops has done that more times than I care to remember..basically giving up on the game because he can't control his emotions..it's no wonder his players continually do the same.
It's never a good sign when you're head coach takes off his headphones at the start of the second half and leaves them off for the rest of the game just standing there not looking at or talking to anyone. Stoops has done that more times than I care to remember..basically giving up on the game because he can't control his emotions..it's no wonder his players continually do the same.
No matter what happens the HC should never stop coaching and communicating. It is unforgivable.
The players don't handle adversity well , they get down or give up when things go bad . They need a leader on the field and preferably that would be your best player . Defensively there is no player that everybody looks up to and follows , they need to believe in somebody . Right now it's a bunch of individuals doimg their own thing , that's a problem . Offensively we are making the defensive problems worse because we can't get them off the field . Drop the hurry up for our sake and slow it down . No leader on offense either , Barker hasn't been effective enough to lead although I think he will eventually become that . The team has issues that are mental , they need to grow up .
There's no question about it. The team has quit. Coaches only have so many years to produce results before they not only lose the fans but the locker room as well. If only we hadn't botched the first game of Stoops' tenure to Western Kentucky, if only we picked up the 1st down on the road against Miss State, if only we stop Florida on 4th and 13 in 2014, if only McWilson catches that game winning INT against Louisville, if only Dorian Baker catches that TD against Florida last, and so on and so on. Problem is we didn't make any of those plays. Not a one. That's really hard to be that close that often and not once pull it off. So many games that you have to win that you just do enough to give the game back to the other side. After a while that drains a football team. Players stop progressing and the team enters a death spiral. That's where we are now. The problem for Stoops is that once you have entered the death spiral coaches basically never manage to pull out of one.
Regardless, if I were a player on a college team with my 5 to play 4 eligibility clock ticking only 2 games into a season, I'd throw it as well. I mean, really, what is more important? Making a statement of "I quit", which doing so on a football field might get you or more importantly, your team mates hurt. Or, playing to win a GDMF football game?
Although I am done with going to games and hoping to win and all that crap...it appears I am now that motorist rubbernecking at the daily carnage that is uk football by reading this site and actually posting...yes, it's sick I know but hey, it's another chapter in the life of someone who hoped uk football would succeed.
Although I am done with going to games and hoping to win and all that crap...it appears I am now that motorist rubbernecking at the daily carnage that is uk football by reading this site and actually posting...yes, it's sick I know but hey, it's another chapter in the life of someone who hoped uk football would succeed.
I can't recall a team that has ever quit on a coach 2 games into a season, unless there is a humongous off-the-field scandal going on.
its a carry over from when they quit on him last year. a coach has never ever ever had his players completely quit on him and recovered....
I have a new outlook at the moment on Stoops.
He is not a very good coach. BUT.....he is good recruiter. We have all lauded him for improving the talent level on the team.
So we transition him to lead recruiter and have the coordinators actually control the game. Instead of buying him out he simply gets a title change.
He can perform those duties until the buyout is low enough to remove him completely.
He is not a very good coach. BUT.....he is good recruiter. We have all lauded him for improving the talent level on the team.
So we transition him to lead recruiter and have the coordinators actually control the game. Instead of buying him out he simply gets a title change.
He can perform those duties until the buyout is low enough to remove him completely.
We definitely punted the ball down the gators throat last week, we dominated in that area of the game.
Good. He can leave if he likes. His contract is very clear, no money owed and nothing we can do to keep him from leaving.
Easy to say when things are going well. But Derrick Baity's comments don't back this theory up. Sounds like at least some of the players feel like they are letting the coach down and want to do something about it. When a player says they embarrassed their coach they haven't quit.
Thought it was a really impressive thing for Derrick to say. Makes me want to hang in there and support these kids a little more.
Thought it was a really impressive thing for Derrick to say. Makes me want to hang in there and support these kids a little more.
Mark Stoops has a lot going against him. Just listening to the commentators after the game last weekend was embarrassing to the program. One commentator called Kentucky the biggest junior college in the state. How is that going to help the program? Stoops is on the top half of every coaches on the hot seat list that you look at. When things like this become acceptable you will always have a crappy program. The past athletic directors didn't put much effort into football but using that as a crutch for what's going on now is no excuse.
I think most(not all like Jordan Jones) of the players are selfish. The school builds them some of the best facilities in the country and they go out on the field and don't even give 100%.
That's their response.
Tell me that isn't selfish.
That's their response.
Tell me that isn't selfish.
yep. this happened last year, too - the team quit. Got taken to the woodshed 3 times, then had some winnable games, but by then they were in the tank. Big division on the team, reportedly, and it seemed like Dawson was at the root of it. So when they got rid of Dawson, I thought we'd be good. But here we are again.
I wonder if it goes back to the kinds of kids we recruit. It's the opposite of the Calipari phenomenon. With Cal, as everyone knows, he can be very picky, gets his pick of the litter really. That means not only does he get the best basketball players - he also doesn't have to take chances with kids who have bad attitudes. (Spare me Cousins, that's not the kind of attitude issue I'm talking about. Boogie is immature, but a good teammate, at least he was for Cal). But with UK football, we don't get to pick, obviously. Stoops has done much better recruiting than his predecessors. How do you get a highly rated kid out of Ohio, away from Ohio State? Is that only possible when the kid has a bad attitude, and OSU passes on him? For us to get a 4 star kid, maybe that kid has to have something going on to make others not want him as much?......
As I look at this program I see a coaching staff that is buddy buddy and not very disciplinarian in nature. This allows for players to quit more readily as a disciplinarian would sit their a$$es down and play next man up...but this staff does not seem to do this. I thought that the reason Gran was brought in was for that line - that disciplinarian - but he can't do that on EVERY PLAYER...only those under his perusal.
We have a bunch of recruiters on a staff that just cannot make correct decisions to make the team better. And that is the reason they all need to go....or make that change ASAP - I suspect they won't. Heard rumors this group of coaches are immature when they are together and not what they present in the community.
We have a bunch of recruiters on a staff that just cannot make correct decisions to make the team better. And that is the reason they all need to go....or make that change ASAP - I suspect they won't. Heard rumors this group of coaches are immature when they are together and not what they present in the community.