You can never support your arguments because you're nearly always wrong. And I didn't just speak about California. Have a nice day.
Mass shootings making the news again
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Isn't it mysterious that now all of a sudden its okay for the mental health line to play in this case, when the Atlanta shooter reported all these same things. So weird...wheres all the peter griffin memes
The first thing liberals think when something happens is "How can we make this about racisim?" (or some other ism or phobia). Anything to enflame, divide, and maintain power and control of their ignornant, emotional sheep. They will twist the narrative as necessary.
But in the case of a black Muslim killer, it's just swept under the rug or written off. And the flock maintain the faith.
But in the case of a black Muslim killer, it's just swept under the rug or written off. And the flock maintain the faith.
Gun control is a good illustration of the left. I'm not talking about politicians, because they don't actually represent the left OR the right. They're main concern is self-enrichment/re-election.
I'm talking about well-meaning people that have a different view on government's role in society.
My friends, co-workers (and most of my extended family) lean pretty far to the left and, IMO, they struggle with cause and effect, and also have what I can only describe as a naive trust in the Federal government.
There is no evidence to support that more restrictive gun laws reduce violent crime, and that, ironically, they would actually have the opposite effect. You can say that for the vast majority of well-intentioned but misguided Federal mandates (the policies that were enacted along with the civil rights act for example).
There are already gun restriction laws on the books, but enforcement has been dismal.
I'm talking about well-meaning people that have a different view on government's role in society.
My friends, co-workers (and most of my extended family) lean pretty far to the left and, IMO, they struggle with cause and effect, and also have what I can only describe as a naive trust in the Federal government.
There is no evidence to support that more restrictive gun laws reduce violent crime, and that, ironically, they would actually have the opposite effect. You can say that for the vast majority of well-intentioned but misguided Federal mandates (the policies that were enacted along with the civil rights act for example).
There are already gun restriction laws on the books, but enforcement has been dismal.
I present to you perverse incentives, more commonly known as "the cobra effect".
According to the fringe left, banning firearms for Law Endorcement is te first place you should start.
Dude. Biden literally said he was going to ban AR-15's. Stop trying to gas light.
I hope he does. I have the patent on the AR-14, 16, and 51. I'll make a fortune
What do politicians have against an AR-15?
That doesn’t make sense (to arbitrarily pick that one)
That doesn’t make sense (to arbitrarily pick that one)
Dude, the right has been complaining about their guns being taken away for years. That's my point. By all means though, go ahead and worry that Biden might just be the one that sends in troops to take your guns. Some of you would fit right in with the nuts in the political thread. They live in fear daily and whine constantly that their version of what the country should be is slipping out of their fingertips.
What do politicians have against an AR-15?
That doesn’t make sense (to arbitrarily pick that one)
I really don’t know. Even though it’s insanely popular in the US, handguns are used WAY more often to commit shootings. The AR platform would be much better to prevent against tyranny though.....so, maybe some conspiracy theorists are right.
I really don't know what else to say to you. You just aren't intelligent enough to understand a simple concept. The current president is on record stating he wants to ban AR's, but people on the right are nuts because we believe him? How can you not see how ridiculous you look? The only reason the left hasn't banned them yet is because people on the right would fight it tooth and nail. And soon as they figure out a way to overcome that, and they are looking hard for a way, they will go for it.
I will fully admit ignorance on guns. I've been learning more recently but still pretty dumb. I'll admit when I was in high school I was someone that was 100% "Get rid of guns". Wanted all of them to be seized. I was also 17 and thought Limp Bizkit was awesome.
In 2004 when the assault weapons ban ended I was angry, because I thought to myself "Why would anyone want those things in the hands of the public?!"
Then several years later my Dad got really into guns. Collecting and shooting and what not. Became a big enthusiast. I wanted to buy him something for Christmas that he'd like so I went to a gun store (Evans arms and archery in Lexington) to buy him a brand new cleaning kit. While I was in there I was talking to the clerk and he showed me a gun that was legal now, but illegal during the weapons ban.
At that point I just realized "good lord this is stupid"
I don't own a gun. Probably never will due to personal reasons. I do have my concealed carry just in case. But past that I don't care what guns you have. Or how many you have. More restrictions won't do anything. The ones we have now don't really do anything. It's just stupid
In 2004 when the assault weapons ban ended I was angry, because I thought to myself "Why would anyone want those things in the hands of the public?!"
Then several years later my Dad got really into guns. Collecting and shooting and what not. Became a big enthusiast. I wanted to buy him something for Christmas that he'd like so I went to a gun store (Evans arms and archery in Lexington) to buy him a brand new cleaning kit. While I was in there I was talking to the clerk and he showed me a gun that was legal now, but illegal during the weapons ban.
At that point I just realized "good lord this is stupid"
I don't own a gun. Probably never will due to personal reasons. I do have my concealed carry just in case. But past that I don't care what guns you have. Or how many you have. More restrictions won't do anything. The ones we have now don't really do anything. It's just stupid
How about make it illegal for f*king weirdos to buy them, is there a way to screen for that? Like maybe you need a couple personal references that you’re not a GD psychopath or whatnot
States have done some pretty wild things to the 2nd amendment, and nobody has fought for nothin.
They shut our country down, closed schools, ruined businesses, over a virus, and nobody fought for nothin.
There are a lot of pieces to this. It’s a long game. Yes, I believe both Republicans and democrats would ultimately like to put an end to the amount of gun freedom we have in this country. They both want to expand government as much as they can, and eventually, all those guns could hinder their efforts. The play of letting states take gun rights away little by little is paying off. Eventually, it won’t take much action to reach their goals.
Talking about banning guns right now in this pandemic and BLM fueled crazy world is not a popular political play for Dems. Their voters are buying guns, too. To my knowledge, Biden hasn’t even really mentioned it...not that he’s mentioned much of anything, but in his lone press conference a reporter asked him about guns, and he completely changed the subject, didn’t even acknowledge the question. Of course there is the universal background check thing that passed the house, which is completely stupid and nobody seems to really care about that.
They shut our country down, closed schools, ruined businesses, over a virus, and nobody fought for nothin.
There are a lot of pieces to this. It’s a long game. Yes, I believe both Republicans and democrats would ultimately like to put an end to the amount of gun freedom we have in this country. They both want to expand government as much as they can, and eventually, all those guns could hinder their efforts. The play of letting states take gun rights away little by little is paying off. Eventually, it won’t take much action to reach their goals.
Talking about banning guns right now in this pandemic and BLM fueled crazy world is not a popular political play for Dems. Their voters are buying guns, too. To my knowledge, Biden hasn’t even really mentioned it...not that he’s mentioned much of anything, but in his lone press conference a reporter asked him about guns, and he completely changed the subject, didn’t even acknowledge the question. Of course there is the universal background check thing that passed the house, which is completely stupid and nobody seems to really care about that.
Well, that’s unique. What exactly caused you, someone who never envisions owning a gun, to pay for and attend the CCDW class, pass the shooting qualification, and subject yourself to monthly background checks? Just curious. It sounds like you like guns a lot more than you think you do.
Part of it is my girlfriend at the time. She was huge into it and I wanted to go shooting with her.
The other is that I live in Indiana. It cost me $12 to be fingerprinted and that was pretty much it. No classes, no monthly background checks.
Then constantly worry. Vote harder next time. Do gun lobby groups not run constant fear campaigns even if a Republican is President? Seriously, how many years have some conservatives lived in the "mah guns will be taken away!" bubble? It's tiresome at this point. But you do you. My guess is you'll be sitting here in a decade spouting the same ****. This same **** you were probably spouting back in 2011.
Now, it's Easter Sunday night. There will probably be another massacre we can bicker over in a few weeks. I'm out because the topic is just tiresome.
What is weird about your illustration is the fact that when a republican is president they probably fear and hate government to no end.... as soon as a Dem is elected then all is right and government is our friend. the vast majority of bureaucrats agree with your friends though. The biggest thing Trump showed was just how far left the majority of government is.
The FBI has said that former military members were the biggest threat to national security for over 10 years now... more than radical islam. We are actively aligning with al-qaeda to beat Assad in Syria because... you know... Syria killed all those Americans and destroyed all those buildings and stuff... But a Vet wanting to keep his constitutional rights is a threat to America and our constitution.
Wow... that was funky...
Opened up this thread and it was just pages full of blank posts, some with likes and some without. Kinda twilight zone freakishness...
Glad it finally stopped.
What's really weird about the shootings is that people not glued to cnn and fox knew these shootings were on the way. Internet chatter was trending that way as of November so most of the people I know weren't surprised or shocked, nor did they overreact. They knew eventually it would be proven to be the left somehow involved in them to pass more restrictions on law abiding citizens. Of course, the same people know that criminals don't consider the law and don't respect gun-free zone signs.
They are instead attracted to them like moths to a flame
Opened up this thread and it was just pages full of blank posts, some with likes and some without. Kinda twilight zone freakishness...
Glad it finally stopped.
What's really weird about the shootings is that people not glued to cnn and fox knew these shootings were on the way. Internet chatter was trending that way as of November so most of the people I know weren't surprised or shocked, nor did they overreact. They knew eventually it would be proven to be the left somehow involved in them to pass more restrictions on law abiding citizens. Of course, the same people know that criminals don't consider the law and don't respect gun-free zone signs.
They are instead attracted to them like moths to a flame
Personally, I think the effort towards gun control, in whatever form you want to call it, are wasted efforts, nothing substantial is going to get passed in the next 100 years. Millions of guns are not going anywhere, that ought to be obvious by now.
I would prefer to see a lot more public resources devoted to mental health, seems like half or more of these mass random shootings are by loners who have a lot of mental health issues, including the two recent ones in Atlanta and Colorado and the guy that rammed the DC police officer with his car + the Asian guy that murdered 32 at Va Tech, the Newton elementary school massacre, the guy who shot up the movie theater in Colorado. I could go on and on, but that is where our efforts would be better spent, at least IMO.
I would prefer to see a lot more public resources devoted to mental health, seems like half or more of these mass random shootings are by loners who have a lot of mental health issues, including the two recent ones in Atlanta and Colorado and the guy that rammed the DC police officer with his car + the Asian guy that murdered 32 at Va Tech, the Newton elementary school massacre, the guy who shot up the movie theater in Colorado. I could go on and on, but that is where our efforts would be better spent, at least IMO.
Wouldn't make a difference the way we treat mental health in America anyways. We treat it like it's something that needs to be fixed like a car problem so we just throw pills at everyone until they are barely a competently functioning human being. Those pills often don't work and may exacerbate other problems or create entirely new problems.
We treat them like they are a leper in a leper colony that needs to be shunned from society rather than a human being that can be a productive member of society with the proper education and lifestyle and behavioral adaptations/changes. And the education aspect applies to others that don't suffer the mental illnesses as well, just take for example how most people think clinical depression is just having the blues.
I mean yeah sure if they are a threat to society there needs to be some more significant steps taken but the vast majority of people with mental illness aren't going to go shoot up a school or wherever.
You sound like my daughter, now in grad school for clinical social work, wants to have a private practice. I do agree that drugs are not the long term answer for many, too often the patient has serious side effects where they decide to quit taking them, to name one common problem. My own profession is suffering from an epidemic of depression and suicide, and again, agree they should not be treated like a leper.
For once, I agree with you. Our country's approach to mental health is despicable.
I know this: You’re 3 times more likely to die on a bicycle than you are to be a victim of a mass shooting.
You’re about twice as likely to die at the hands of law enforcement as you are by mass shooting.
You’re about twice as likely to die at the hands of law enforcement as you are by mass shooting.
As crazy as it sounds my friends in Vegas tell me that the shooter was an FBI agent. The Wikileaks guy says the same thing. But in today’s time the FBI is out of control.
Here's another one.
Dr. Robert Lesslie, 70, and his wife, Barbara Lesslie, 69, were pronounced dead at the scene, along with grandchildren Adah Lesslie, 9, and Noah Lesslie, 5, the York County coroner's office said.
A man who had been working at the home, James Lewis, 38, from Gaston, was found shot to death outside, and a sixth person was hospitalized with "serious gunshot wounds," York County Sheriff's Office's spokesperson Trent Faris said.
You stand by your post that you never saw a mass shooting on the news for 4 years?
Here's another one.
Dr. Robert Lesslie, 70, and his wife, Barbara Lesslie, 69, were pronounced dead at the scene, along with grandchildren Adah Lesslie, 9, and Noah Lesslie, 5, the York County coroner's office said.
A man who had been working at the home, James Lewis, 38, from Gaston, was found shot to death outside, and a sixth person was hospitalized with "serious gunshot wounds," York County Sheriff's Office's spokesperson Trent Faris said.
What about the 500,000-3,000,000 times a firearm is used in defense each year, amirite? I get so tired of hearing about all of those on the news........
This can't be accurate; there have been several mass shootings during Trump's administration. Like others have said, Las Vegas was one of the most deadly shootings ever. There are mass shootings because people are crazy; this is regardless of who is in office.
He stands by it. He admits to willfully ignoring any and all news broadcasts in every medium.