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Match Notes for Ohio State and for Illinois
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For whatever it's worth, I am not reading anything into the fact that Penn State did not list an OR option at 133 or 157 as it relates to whether or not Davis and/or Kasak will be available this weekend.
I won't start to worry until Cael says that they are "downstairs drilling as we speak."
Ha! Fair enough.I won't start to worry until Cael says that they are "downstairs drilling as we speak."
If full strength and wearing my Blue and White goggles, I’d call for BB winning and 10-0.
Any chance Shane goes 57 and Evans or pierce go 49 if Kasak can't go?
would that hurt Van Nasty's 149 seed ?
would that hurt Van Nasty's 149 seed ?
Better chance to upset the robes
That makes no sense. Have you actually looked at the Bucknuts 149 and 157? Bumping Van Ness only creates a larger hurdle for a backup to overcome.
David Evans is this teams James English or the 125 pounder that got jobbed in the Tomasello match a few years back.
Agree. Evans and Pierce are capable. Sasso is a crafty vet though. He isn’t flashy but he is very comfortable winning 3-2 type matches.
I do not expect Sasso to wrestle. He lost to Blaze, Teemer, and Saldate, and then has been out the last two matches. And, he's not listed on OSU's projected lineup sheet. Only Brandon Cannon is. The redshirt freshman is 3-2 in dual meets this year.
IIRC, had him in big trouble, and with his own foot probably still in bounds, but called OOB with NT’s feet crashing into the Blaise Alexander sign…
I wish the square mats had more margin around the circle… many scrambles that refs would correctly call in bounds to play on if they happened in the corner of the physical mat seem to be called OOB, for legit safety concerns, if in the middle of an edge where there is less margin… I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this, @TomMcAndrew or any other refs.
I‘m probably in the minority that likes the asymmetry. Gives a small edge to wrestlers with mat awareness. Like an outfielder who knows how to use their park’s quirks and angles to their advantage.
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So I don't ref college -- just high school and youth. That said, the high school rules were changed this year to come pretty close to the college rules with regards to the edge. There are some differences, but not a great deal.
In terms of off the mat, we don't have a lot of leeway with that. If any part of one wrestler is off the mat, then you are supposed to stop action for OOB. I believe the only caveat in high school is if a wrestler is fully on the mat (even if outside the line, but the opponent is inside the line), you can make a call against the wrestler that is fully on the mat if they reach out and purposely (as best as you can tell) touch the area off the mat.
Part of the reason that high school has been slow to move toward the college rules regarding TDs and NF outside the line, is the recognition that at many high schools, they have older mats, that don't have a lot of mat between the outer edge of the outside circle, and the floor. The rules have been referencing/encouraging schools for some years to obtain bigger mats, but the NFHS wanted to give them time to budget for this before changing the rules.
As a ref, it is somewhat frustrating when you know an offensive wrestler has done everything right, and should be racking up points, but you have to stop things for OOB as the defensive wrestler has a part of their body off the mat, especially when it's in an area of the mat that doesn't have much room between the outer edge of the outside circle and the floor. But as we're always reminded in training sessions, we're paid to call the rules as they exist, and not as we might like them to be, or as coaches or fans might like them to be. In that context, though on a different issue, I had a match about two weeks ago where a wrestler was 95% of the way to getting a TD, and should have gotten it. However, some part of them got tangled up with the defensive wrestler's leg, and in their movement to complete the takedown the defensive wrestler's knee was being bent in a direction it doesn't bend. So, I quickly stopped the action for potentially dangerous. And the coach of the offensive wrestler insisted that his wrestler had to get at least 1 point, as he was going to get the TD. I just chuckled and reminded him that when PD is called, all action is stopped, and no points are awarded except for those earned before the PD situation occurred.
I’m glad to hear that you share my frustration with this… though of course you have to do what you have to do for safety.
And it’s understandable that all high schools can’t afford to get larger mats, but I would think that big time universities would have done this years ago.
This reminds me that when I was in college, our women’s gymnastics team was vying for the national championship, and several of them had sprained their ankles landing on the edge of the mat at practice; I remember thinking “This is Penn State…why do they not have wall to wall mats in their practice area?”!
I am not saying Kasak is or is not going, but I think you are overestimating the liquidity on a B10 wrestling match.