Match Notes for Rutgers ...

[Joejitsu]

PSU vs Rutgers (prediction)
125: Luke Lillidahl mac dc over Ayden Smith (RU) - PSU leads, 4-0
133: Marcus Blaze dec over Dylan Shawver (RU) PSU leads, 7-0
141: Nate Desmond) dec over Tahir Parkins (RU) PSU leads, 10-0
149: SVN by major dec over Andrew Clark (RU) PSU leads, 14-0
157: PJ Duke by tech fall over Anthony White (RU) PSU leads, 19-0
165: Mitch Messenbrink by tech fall Ryan Ford (RU) PSU leads, 25-0
174: Levi Haines by dec over Lenny Pinto (RU) ; PSU leads, 28-0
184: Rocco Welsh dec overShane Cartagena-Walsh (RU) PSU leads by 31-0
197: Josh Barr by tech fall over Remy Cotton (RU) , PSU leads, 36-0
HWT: Cole Marisola by dec over Hunter Catka (RU) PSU wins 39-0

I know it should be Olivier at 41 but I feel like I am hearing quacking and we may see a duck!

 

[NittanyChris]

Anyone know what Catka is weighing in at these days? Could be a nice opportunity for Cole to show some improvement vs someone bigger than he.

 

[Random4598375]

PSU vs Rutgers (prediction)
125: Luke Lillidahl mac dc over Ayden Smith (RU) - PSU leads, 4-0
133: Marcus Blaze dec over Dylan Shawver (RU) PSU leads, 7-0
141: Nate Desmond) dec over Tahir Parkins (RU) PSU leads, 10-0
149: SVN by major dec over Andrew Clark (RU) PSU leads, 14-0
157: PJ Duke by tech fall over Anthony White (RU) PSU leads, 19-0
165: Mitch Messenbrink by tech fall Ryan Ford (RU) PSU leads, 25-0
174: Levi Haines by dec over Lenny Pinto (RU) ; PSU leads, 28-0
184: Rocco Welsh dec overShane Cartagena-Walsh (RU) PSU leads by 31-0
197: Josh Barr by tech fall over Remy Cotton (RU) , PSU leads, 36-0
HWT: Cole Marisola by dec over Hunter Catka (RU) PSU wins 39-0

I know it should be Olivier at 41 but I feel like I am hearing quacking and we may see a duck!

Olivieri hasn't wrestled for a while supposedly because of some kind of internal disciplinary action, so I don't know if that will be a duck or if he's under some sort of team suspension.

Also, Blaze will tech Shawver.

 

[Anon1676911284]

PSU vs Rutgers (prediction)
125: Luke Lillidahl mac dc over Ayden Smith (RU) - PSU leads, 4-0
133: Marcus Blaze dec over Dylan Shawver (RU) PSU leads, 7-0
141: Nate Desmond) dec over Tahir Parkins (RU) PSU leads, 10-0
149: SVN by major dec over Andrew Clark (RU) PSU leads, 14-0
157: PJ Duke by tech fall over Anthony White (RU) PSU leads, 19-0
165: Mitch Messenbrink by tech fall Ryan Ford (RU) PSU leads, 25-0
174: Levi Haines by dec over Lenny Pinto (RU) ; PSU leads, 28-0
184: Rocco Welsh dec overShane Cartagena-Walsh (RU) PSU leads by 31-0
197: Josh Barr by tech fall over Remy Cotton (RU) , PSU leads, 36-0
HWT: Cole Marisola by dec over Hunter Catka (RU) PSU wins 39-0

I know it should be Olivier at 41 but I feel like I am hearing quacking and we may see a duck!

Looks good. I know 141 has everyone concerned but even very recently Ironhead gave his opinion saying that it's not looking good for Negau being able to continue. Wouldn't Rutgers dual then be a nice warmup for Davis heading into Iowa next week?

 

[kingstown]

Anyone know what Catka is weighing in at these days? Could be a nice opportunity for Cole to show some improvement vs someone bigger than he.

Somebody said 265-270 on another board. I have no idea but he is a pretty big dude. Good test for Cole.

 

[GregPickel]

Olivieri hasn't wrestled for a while supposedly because of some kind of internal disciplinary action, so I don't know if that will be a duck or if he's under some sort of team suspension.

Also, Blaze will tech Shawver.

Latter:

Penn State and Rutgers wrestling teams might both be without a starter when they meet Saturday

Penn State opens its Big Ten wrestling dual meet schedule on Saturday against Rutgers. Both sides could be shorthanded.

www.on3.com

 

[CTStall]

Doing the math:
- Davis is 4-0
- 9 duals remain (including tonight)
- B10s has 4 championship rounds (the top 2 seeds get byes, so they get min 3 matches if they make the finals)

--> If Davis wrestles tonight, he will get 16-17 matches minimum. More likely 17 than 16 (because Mendez and Hardy are the most likely top 2 seeds).

He can still reach the 15-match RPI floor without wrestling tonight.

I guarantee you ,Davis doesn't wrestle TONIGHT nor any other starters

 

[CTStall]

PSU vs Rutgers (prediction)
125: Luke Lillidahl mac dc over Ayden Smith (RU) - PSU leads, 4-0
133: Marcus Blaze dec over Dylan Shawver (RU) PSU leads, 7-0
141: Nate Desmond) dec over Tahir Parkins (RU) PSU leads, 10-0
149: SVN by major dec over Andrew Clark (RU) PSU leads, 14-0
157: PJ Duke by tech fall over Anthony White (RU) PSU leads, 19-0
165: Mitch Messenbrink by tech fall Ryan Ford (RU) PSU leads, 25-0
174: Levi Haines by dec over Lenny Pinto (RU) ; PSU leads, 28-0
184: Rocco Welsh dec overShane Cartagena-Walsh (RU) PSU leads by 31-0
197: Josh Barr by tech fall over Remy Cotton (RU) , PSU leads, 36-0
HWT: Cole Marisola by dec over Hunter Catka (RU) PSU wins 39-0

I know it should be Olivier at 41 but I feel like I am hearing quacking and we may see a duck!

Looking forward to Pinto-Haines. Pinto can be fun to watch and able to hit something off a scramble.
Footnote, I'm not sure if it was this board or the previous one. I posted that I heard Pinto was transferring to Rutgers after Nationals. I believe a few posters questioned my intel. He literally wanted to be closer to home (Stroudsburg).

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

I am surprised this is still being discussed, especially amongst our smartest posters.

I think Desmond fielding yet another match or more at 141 (137.5 that is) really doesn't do that much for his gaining valuable experience. Heck if getting his 5 in is that important, toss him in some opens and wrestle attached or not at 133 or maybe even 125.

Wrestling undersized now that we are in the Big10 schedule will force him to into a more cautious and defensive style against better guys that might even be counter developmental. Any experience is not necessarily good experience.

Desmond despite his shock the world result against Lilledahl, plus a couple of wins at 141 vs relatively poor competition simply illustrates the kid has maybe even more talent than his thick resume already illustrates, but IMO I feel very strongly he is NOT a serious candidate for 141 this year.

Couple this with, I don't really see the long term value in Davis' shirt anyway. Certainly it's more of a nice to have than a must have.

Desmond's highest value this season is absolutely being a competitive and solid injury insurance backup for Blaze and Luke. I think his talent has illustrated he would have a real chance entering Big10s at either 133 or 125 unseeded, navigating a difficult bracket and coming out the other end Top 4 and gaining a trip to Nationals for the team, with again a real shot at generating a few points then at Nationals.

If we toy around with him at 141 much longer descent rules could kill that insurance. Honestly, what if either Luke or Marcus got injured later this month or worse early in February? Sure we still win Nationals but would have no answer for the Big10 tourney if we were so dumb to have Desmond unavailable due to giving him a late weight cert date up at 137.5 or higher for those suggesting more weight gain. I think the last time someone did the math, just the descent from 137.5 to 133 was 4-5 weeks.

Cael knows every angle. I am proved wrong often enough, but I will be very surprised if we see Nate go out there at 141 again this year. The smart play is to keep him off of any official scales anywhere north of 133 and ready for 133 or below if needed.

"I think the last time someone did the math, just the descent from 137.5 to 133 was 4-5 weeks."

It would only be three weeks in this particular instance. For anyone interested in weight descent rules, here is the math using the situation above where a wrestler officially weighs in at 137.5 and wants to descend down to wrestle at 133. Per NCAA descent rules you are only allowed to lose a maximum of 1.5% of your previous official weigh-in weight per every seven days.

137.5 X .015 is 2.06 lb., so the next week this wrestler could weigh in no less than 135.4 pounds.

The next week this wrestler could weigh in no less than 133.4 pounds (135.4 x .015 = 2.0 pounds)

On their third week of weight descent they would now be eligible to wrestle 133 as their new allowable minimum weight would be 131.4 pounds (133.4 x .015 = 2.0 pounds).

Just in case anyone was interested in the weight descent rules.

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

I guarantee you ,Davis doesn't wrestle TONIGHT nor any other starters

 

[Joejitsu]

Olivieri hasn't wrestled for a while supposedly because of some kind of internal disciplinary action, so I don't know if that will be a duck or if he's under some sort of team suspension.

Also, Blaze will tech Shawver.

Gotchya... didnt realize that... thank you for the heads up!

 

[Joejitsu]

Looks good. I know 141 has everyone concerned but even very recently Ironhead gave his opinion saying that it's not looking good for Negau being able to continue. Wouldn't Rutgers dual then be a nice warmup for Davis heading into Iowa next week?

If Davis is gonna go... I feel like he has to go here.... to get his 15 matches

 

[Joejitsu]

Looking forward to Pinto-Haines. Pinto can be fun to watch and able to hit something off a scramble.
Footnote, I'm not sure if it was this board or the previous one. I posted that I heard Pinto was transferring to Rutgers after Nationals. I believe a few posters questioned my intel. He literally wanted to be closer to home (Stroudsburg).

I love Pinto and he brings it... but I will be honest... he has not looked like Lenny Pinto since transferring. Good call on the transfer and it makes sense!

 

[Joejitsu]

I do think that Levi beats Pinto convincingly however!

 

[Goggles Paisano]

... it's not looking good for Negau being able to continue.....

Well, on the positive side, you got 3 letters correct. ;-)

 

[Reslo1]

If Davis is gonna go... I feel like he has to go here.... to get his 15 matches

Davis could go to B1Gs with a 0-0 record and still qualify for nationals if he steals one of the conference’s 8 or 9 automatic qualifier spots. The 15 match minimum only matters if the staff cares about RPI. I’m betting they don’t.

 

[WV lion]

Davis could go to B1Gs with a 0-0 record and still qualify for nationals if he steals one of the conference’s 8 or 9 automatic qualifier spots. The 15 match minimum only matters if the staff cares about RPI. I’m betting they don’t.

I don't think the staff worries as much about rpi when you are a multiple time defending champ or injured. For Davis seeding may be huge.

 

[PAgeologist]

Davis could go to B1Gs with a 0-0 record and still qualify for nationals if he steals one of the conference’s 8 or 9 automatic qualifier spots. The 15 match minimum only matters if the staff cares about RPI. I’m betting they don’t.

I would care if it would help get a significantly better seed at Nationals. Better seed gives a better chance at an AA.

 

[o_BruceK-PSU83]

Couple this with, I don't really see the long term value in Davis' shirt anyway. Certainly it's more of a nice to have than a must have

Agree the Davis shirting in 2025-26 is likely not essential in the big picture for PSU. However, the PSU staff may have determined that getting a redshirt for Davis matters to maximize his success as a college wrestler. And that would be important to the staff (and Davis).

Further, the staff is likely thinking a couple years ahead. For instance, getting a RS for Davis would allow Burnett to RS as a true freshman, given the potential for Burnett to slide in at 141. All sorts of other possibilities, so burning Davis's redshirt would limit future lineup flexibility to some degree. Maybe not a big factor, but probably something the the PSU coaches would consider.

 

[Random4598375]

I don't think the staff worries as much about rpi when you are a multiple time defending champ or injured. For Davis seeding may be huge.

Yes, it's definitely a concern for Davis (unlike Brooks or Starocci where the NCAA seeding quirkiness screwed everyone they wrestled, not them...), but the top priority is determining whether he's the starter or not because if he isn't then he can't wrestle attached at all. This depends on determining whether Nagao is out for the season or not. I think tonight will tell you. If Davis goes, then he's it and Nagao is definitely done this season. If Desmond or Nasdeo go tonight, then there is some hope that Nagao will return in time for B1Gs.

 

[Goggles Paisano]

. If Desmond or Nasdeo go tonight, then there is some hope that Nagao will return in time for B1Gs.

I hate to say it, but does anyone have confidence Nagao can navigate a Big 10 duals schedule, followed by B10 conference championships, and then Nationals, healthy? Really?

Ability aside, I think the last 2+ years compounded by the past 2 months cast enough doubt, that if Nagao were to go, I would have that sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach during every moment of every match from here forward. Hope in my vernacular at this point in time is for Davis.

Baring a miracle I think Aaron's ship has unfortunately sailed, and Cael being the ever present optimist while remaining carefully secretive, spread enough bread crumbs to indicate the same.

 

[Random4598375]

I hate to say it, but does anyone have confidence Nagao can navigate a Big 10 duals schedule, followed by B10 conference championships, and then Nationals, healthy? Really?

Ability aside, I think the last 2+ years compounded by the past 2 months cast enough doubt, that if Nagao were to go, I would have that sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach during every moment of every match from here forward. Hope in my vernacular at this point in time is for Davis.

Baring a miracle I think Aaron's ship has unfortunately sailed, and Cael being the ever present optimist while remaining carefully secretive, spread enough bread crumbs to indicate the same.

Not really, but I'm not any sort of doctor much less Nagao's doctor, so we'll see.

 

[Hockeygod11]

If Davis is gonna go... I feel like he has to go here.... to get his 15 matches

He will qualify without 15 matches. He will autoqualify at B1Gs.

 

[PUR158]

I am surprised this is still being discussed, especially amongst our smartest posters.

I think Desmond fielding yet another match or more at 141 (137.5 that is) really doesn't do that much for his gaining valuable experience. Heck if getting his 5 in is that important, toss him in some opens and wrestle attached or not at 133 or maybe even 125.

Wrestling undersized now that we are in the Big10 schedule will force him to into a more cautious and defensive style against better guys that might even be counter developmental. Any experience is not necessarily good experience.

Desmond despite his shock the world result against Lilledahl, plus a couple of wins at 141 vs relatively poor competition simply illustrates the kid has maybe even more talent than his thick resume already illustrates, but IMO I feel very strongly he is NOT a serious candidate for 141 this year.

Couple this with, I don't really see the long term value in Davis' shirt anyway. Certainly it's more of a nice to have than a must have.

Desmond's highest value this season is absolutely being a competitive and solid injury insurance backup for Blaze and Luke. I think his talent has illustrated he would have a real chance entering Big10s at either 133 or 125 unseeded, navigating a difficult bracket and coming out the other end Top 4 and gaining a trip to Nationals for the team, with again a real shot at generating a few points then at Nationals.

If we toy around with him at 141 much longer descent rules could kill that insurance. Honestly, what if either Luke or Marcus got injured later this month or worse early in February? Sure we still win Nationals but would have no answer for the Big10 tourney if we were so dumb to have Desmond unavailable due to giving him a late weight cert date up at 137.5 or higher for those suggesting more weight gain. I think the last time someone did the math, just the descent from 137.5 to 133 was 4-5 weeks.

Cael knows every angle. I am proved wrong often enough, but I will be very surprised if we see Nate go out there at 141 again this year. The smart play is to keep him off of any official scales anywhere north of 133 and ready for 133 or below if needed.

Great point on wrestling undersized. I have always thought that Bartlett wrestling up at 149 impacted his aggression and his ability to pull the trigger. For some wrestlers that is not an issue, for some it can definitely get in their head.

 

[CowbellMan]

"I think the last time someone did the math, just the descent from 137.5 to 133 was 4-5 weeks."

It would only be three weeks in this particular instance. For anyone interested in weight descent rules, here is the math using the situation above where a wrestler officially weighs in at 137.5 and wants to descend down to wrestle at 133. Per NCAA descent rules you are only allowed to lose a maximum of 1.5% of your previous official weigh-in weight per every seven days.

137.5 X .015 is 2.06 lb., so the next week this wrestler could weigh in no less than 135.4 pounds.

The next week this wrestler could weigh in no less than 133.4 pounds (135.4 x .015 = 2.0 pounds)

On their third week of weight descent they would now be eligible to wrestle 133 as their new allowable minimum weight would be 131.4 pounds (133.4 x .015 = 2.0 pounds).

Just in case anyone was interested in the weight descent rules.

It was me with the 4-5. I said assuming 141 then 4-5 weeks. I wasn’t aware of what his weight actually was at the time. For some folks I’m betting your calcs were rather helpful.

 

[CowbellMan]

Davis could go to B1Gs with a 0-0 record and still qualify for nationals if he steals one of the conference’s 8 or 9 automatic qualifier spots. The 15 match minimum only matters if the staff cares about RPI. I’m betting they don’t.

Cael did mention preferring not to steal an allocation from the big 10 so maybe that’s a little insight. He seemed in support of the conference and other wrestlers fighting to make NCAA’s. It would not be a surprise to see Davis show up at FM to help avoid that scenarios.

 

[Anon1676911284]

Well, on the positive side, you got 3 letters correct. ;-)

Lol. Does this mean I still have a chance to win the spelling b?

 

[Headlock]

I guarantee you ,Davis doesn't wrestle TONIGHT nor any other starters

PhD in Calendar Studies???

 

[Headlock]

Well, on the positive side, you got 3 letters correct. ;-)

Were you the kid who always asked the teacher if spelling counts???

 

[Nitlion1986]

Were you the kid who always asked the teacher if spelling counts???

No. That was me.

 

[Goggles Paisano]

Were you the kid who always asked the teacher if spelling counts???

I am potentially the worst speller on this board, just typing that initial response hurt my hypocritical sensibilities, but in that instance I could not resist.

 

[LetsGoRUWrestling2]

I think Catka has a shot and has been getting better after year off
and slow start

RU will probably start 4 PA Wrestlers...I hope that # keeps increasing...Real happy that PA Brandt Harer will be in future Rutgers line up

 

[johnstownsteel]

Have a feeling this could be a train through week and our guys might be a bit sluggish. May reconsider some of my kypsw picks.

 

[Fatwoodchuck]

I also believe this is the correct answer. It depends on the severity of Nagao's injury and whether he is out for the season or not. Getting a minimum number of matches is not a real consideration because Davis will have no issue taking an allocation spot if he's the man for this season, so if Nagao is done for sure, it'll be Davis. Otherwise, it will not. Unfortunately, I think it will be Davis. I don't have any inside information on Nagao, but I'm not optimistic at this point.

I like your posts Goggles dont listen to those that yell at clouds.

 

[Goggles Paisano]

Have a feeling this could be a train through week and our guys might be a bit sluggish. May reconsider some of my kypsw picks.

Nope

 

[johnstownsteel]

Nope

Yep. Maybe this week. Give the boys some adversity heading into Carver.

 

[Nitlion1986]

Yep. Maybe this week. Give the boys some adversity heading into Carver.

Now you are just getting mean. The only point of pride left for Iowa is that Cael and Penn State still prepare for Iowa as though they are a legitimate threat. If Cael starts training through Iowa that would be the equivalent of publicly announcing that in Cael's mind Iowa is comparable to MSU or Northwestern.

Kinda funny really.