Mathis NIL

stevetaylor9

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Mathis is getting a 500k offer

if I am Robinson, Riley, or Hutmacher I’m asking how much for me to stick around at a position that we are extremely thin

they aren’t as good as Mathis but might be just as valuable to the team given the lack of depth. Same could be said at a number of other positions - ILB for instance

kids shouldn’t be financially at a disadvantage because they have decided (so far) not to enter the portal
 
Sep 29, 2001
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Mathis is getting a 500k offer

if I am Robinson, Riley, or Hutmacher I’m asking how much for me to stick around at a position that we are extremely thin

they aren’t as good as Mathis but might be just as valuable to the team given the lack of depth. Same could be said at a number of other positions - ILB for instance

kids shouldn’t be financially at a disadvantage because they have decided (so far) not to enter the portal
Yes, that's the downside of NIL.

It can create tension on the team when one player gets a big NIL deal and others are left asking where their deal is. Also creates a situation where current players on any teams roster are up for grabs for the price of a large NIL deal with the transfer portal enabling such moves.

Transfer portal + NIL = huge game changer for college football

P.S. It would be interesting to be able to see the contract details of some of these NIL deals. For example, what happens if the player decides to move to another team? What happens if the player is a bust (and how is that determined)? What happens if the player has to take a medical redshirt? Etc. BUT I suspect fans and the public have no right to get access to any of those details.
 
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This is precisely what the critics of NIL predicted would happen. You combine this with the easing of transfer rules and you have a perfect storm for college football to essentially start a process of "free agency" that is going to be its undoing. Because the point above is exactly right. If am I Robinson or Hutmacher I am going to threaten going to the portal unless somebody ponies up big bucks. And once the money starts flowing to various players but not to others how does that create a "team" mentality.

This whole thing just makes me want to puke and leaves me wondering if College football is even worth following anymore. This is not the same sport I grew up loving as a boy in Lincoln. And this is not false nostalgia for some ******** rosy past. It is a simple observation that college football is moving toward becoming professionalized and not amateur. And perhaps that is fair and the players should get a piece of the pie. But in so doing it is now a professional sport with a whole different tone and tenor. And I hate it.
 
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However you view these huge changes to college football, I do believe though Nebraska will be a net winner from the changes. There will be some painful individual actions affecting Nebraska (like losses to the transfer portal) but I also think for Nebraska the other positive actions will mostly offset the negatives.

The dynamic at play here is the individual rights of players vs. the desires of traditional fans for stability.

No one knows for sure how it will all shake out in a few years. Only time will tell.
 

inWV

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Those who compete want to play and want to win. Does the NIL guy help my team get wins? If Mathis were to come to NU, he should be in line for an NIL deal comparable to Thompson.
 

Harry Caray

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This is precisely what the critics of NIL predicted would happen. You combine this with the easing of transfer rules and you have a perfect storm for college football to essentially start a process of "free agency" that is going to be its undoing. Because the point above is exactly right. If am I Robinson or Hutmacher I am going to threaten going to the portal unless somebody ponies up big bucks. And once the money starts flowing to various players but not to others how does that create a "team" mentality.

This whole thing just makes me want to puke and leaves me wondering if College football is even worth following anymore. This is not the same sport I grew up loving as a boy in Lincoln. And this is not false nostalgia for some ******** rosy past. It is a simple observation that college football is moving toward becoming professionalized and not amateur. And perhaps that is fair and the players should get a piece of the pie. But in so doing it is now a professional sport with a whole different tone and tenor. And I hate it.

College football stopped being amateur a long time ago....when coaches started getting multi-million dollar contracts and buyouts, when programs started accepted multi-million dollar corporate sponsors, when boosters started donating tens of millions to build opulent facilities. The only difference now is that the players are starting to get a lot bigger piece of the pie. How many millions have been spent here just to buy out bad coaches? It's ridiculous.

It will be interesting to see if salaries for assistant coaches and staff members actually start to go down, since the boosters can just buy players now.
 

Blindcheck

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Curious, how this will evolve over the next 5 years...is this the best year to be a incoming freshman/transfer?

Will the money just keep getting bigger or will the money dry up fast?
 

HUSKERFAN66

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Well one thing for sure. As the price goes up so will expectations. And if they want the big money they're going to have to expect and accept fan disapproval for poor performance.
 
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Not going to win a bidding war with UT.
Can't outbid Texas IF they really want somebody. The question is whether they would rather use the money for somebody else. It's like any auction, just how bad do you want something vs. an alternative choice you might have.

The winner in this process of course is the player who can evaluate competing bids.
 
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Curious, how this will evolve over the next 5 years...is this the best year to be a incoming freshman/transfer?

Will the money just keep getting bigger or will the money dry up fast?
I think it will normalize over time. May take a few years. I also think there will eventually be some sort of regulation over it.

It is supposed to be for endorsements, advertising, and apparel. It's not that currently. It is pay for players.
 
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I suspect a large portion of kids cashing in on monster NIL deals don't have a healthy family structure to help them manage their windfall. One of the worst things you can do to an immature young person is hand them hundreds of thousands of dollars without the support of healthy family counsel....but we ain't putting this toothpaste back in the tube now. Uggh.
 

mgbreeze

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I've heard of a "take no prisoners" approach but a "take no *****" approach is a new one on me! It really doesn't come off as all that intimidating.... if you take no ***** eventually you end up shitting your pants.
 

HUSKERFAN66

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Call me skeptical. Call me old. Call me whatever but I just can't see how this is healthy in the near or long term for college athletics. Just don't call me late for supper
 

mgbreeze

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Mathis is getting a 500k offer

if I am Robinson, Riley, or Hutmacher I’m asking how much for me to stick around at a position that we are extremely thin

they aren’t as good as Mathis but might be just as valuable to the team given the lack of depth. Same could be said at a number of other positions - ILB for instance

kids shouldn’t be financially at a disadvantage because they have decided (so far) not to enter the portal
Doesn't there have to be a market with alternatives for a kid to make that type of demand? I make good money but I'm replaceable so I don't go to my boss and demand that he double my salary. He'd say "bye." I guess it all goes back to the question of whether guys understand where they are as a player. If every role player on a team wants star money then we're well and truly effed. Some kids need to be thankful they're getting a free education and a little extra cash that past generations never got.
 

3fingershomer

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Yes, that's the downside of NIL.

It can create tension on the team when one player gets a big NIL deal and others are left asking where their deal is. Also creates a situation where current players on any teams roster are up for grabs for the price of a large NIL deal with the transfer portal enabling such moves.

Transfer portal + NIL = huge game changer for college football

P.S. It would be interesting to be able to see the contract details of some of these NIL deals. For example, what happens if the player decides to move to another team? What happens if the player is a bust (and how is that determined)? What happens if the player has to take a medical redshirt? Etc. BUT I suspect fans and the public have no right to get access to any of those details.
I’ve been reading that a lot of these NIL offers contain some aspect of charitable giving which I suspect is an attempt to minimize the tax liability on personal income taxes. Which provides a thought that schools that reside in states with no state income taxes could have a distinct advantage over those that do.
Also, I will not be shocked to hear of an instance where a player with a well publicized NIL deal is a victim of a criminal offense.
 

nu2u

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What can prevent transfer player with half million or more in the bank to "retire" from college football the day before FBS playoff game?

It's practically inevitable (and probably more likely) - a million dollar QB/WR/DE or other key plyer is going to refuse to suit up because he disagrees with the medical staff about his injury status.

Also inevitable - an NIL sponsor will get news that an athlete representing their brand was arrested in a bar room brawl, or drug bust, or theft, or some indecent public incident.

Not to mention the huge NIL deals for players who will underperform expectations

There is a lot to be sorted out in this wild unregulated NIL business but I believe the boosters/sponsors are going to learn some valuable lessons fairly soon.
 
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What can prevent transfer player with half million or more in the bank to "retire" from college football the day before FBS playoff game?

It's practically inevitable (and probably more likely) - a million dollar QB/WR/DE or other key plyer is going to refuse to suit up because he disagrees with the medical staff about his injury status.

Also inevitable - an NIL sponsor will get news that an athlete representing their brand was arrested in a bar room brawl, or drug bust, or theft, or some indecent public incident.

Not to mention the huge NIL deals for players who will underperform expectations

There is a lot to be sorted out in this wild unregulated NIL business but I believe the boosters/sponsors are going to learn some valuable lessons fairly soon.
Presumably those kind of things are addressed in the contract language. But we're not able to see the details of the NIL contracts, they're not public.
 
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What can prevent transfer player with half million or more in the bank to "retire" from college football the day before FBS playoff game?

It's practically inevitable (and probably more likely) - a million dollar QB/WR/DE or other key plyer is going to refuse to suit up because he disagrees with the medical staff about his injury status.

Also inevitable - an NIL sponsor will get news that an athlete representing their brand was arrested in a bar room brawl, or drug bust, or theft, or some indecent public incident.

Not to mention the huge NIL deals for players who will underperform expectations

There is a lot to be sorted out in this wild unregulated NIL business but I believe the boosters/sponsors are going to learn some valuable lessons fairly soon.
It's another windfall for the lawyers working out contract details.
 

steinek11

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Presumably those kind of things are addressed in the contract language. But we're not able to see the details of the NIL contracts, they're not public.
Can you imagine sponsors suing players for breach of contract? The contract is between the player and the sponsor, but the university is the beneficiary. This thing is f*****.
 
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Can you imagine sponsors suing players for breach of contract? The contract is between the player and the sponsor, but the university is the beneficiary. This thing is f*****.
Never underestimate the creativity of lawyers in putting together those contracts with zillions of clauses.
 

Walleye 1

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I don't know much about the details of NIL. Who foots the bill? Is it boosters and Businesses that do? Who is going to spend millions year after year for players. I keep hearing Nebraska can benefit tremendously from NIL. Why is that? Is our booster base that deep that is willing to do this every year?

I just don't see this sustaining positively long term for Nebraska. I may be wrong.... Do we have a booster/business I don't know about that will be Nebraska T Boone Pickens.

Again I don't know much about it. I'm probably talking out my *** right now
 
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I don't know much about the details of NIL. Who foots the bill? Is it boosters and Businesses that do? Who is going to spend millions year after year for players. I keep hearing Nebraska can benefit tremendously from NIL. Why is that? Is our booster base that deep that is willing to do this every year?

I just don't see this sustaining positively long term for Nebraska. I may be wrong.... Do we have a booster/business I don't know about that will be Nebraska T Boone Pickens.

Again I don't know much about it. I'm probably talking out my *** right now
The money comes from boosters and businesses. The main difference now is that it comes in the form of legal NIL deals for endorsement/ad services rendered instead of being cash under the table as a secret gift or bribe. In other words, now much closer to those professional sports endorsement deals.
 

MuskyHawk16

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What is the ROInfor the boosters throwing all this cash at players? Is the team winning the return on investment? I don’t see how its a good business deal for any business owner to throw all this money at specific players. Unless they’re going to start announcing during the game, “that’s another touchdown pass by Casey Thompson, brought to you by Bob’s Chevrolet”, or something like that
 

Walleye 1

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What is the ROInfor the boosters throwing all this cash at players? Is the team winning the return on investment? I don’t see how its a good business deal for any business owner to throw all this money at specific players. Unless they’re going to start announcing during the game, “that’s another touchdown pass by Casey Thompson, brought to you by Bob’s Chevrolet”, or something like that
When do businesses start requesting to have logos of said business to be visible on players uniforms they are giving NIL to? One would think they would want some visibly and publicity out of it.
 
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College football stopped being amateur a long time ago....when coaches started getting multi-million dollar contracts and buyouts, when programs started accepted multi-million dollar corporate sponsors, when boosters started donating tens of millions to build opulent facilities. The only difference now is that the players are starting to get a lot bigger piece of the pie. How many millions have been spent here just to buy out bad coaches? It's ridiculous.

It will be interesting to see if salaries for assistant coaches and staff members actually start to go down, since the boosters can just buy players now.
Yep. It is a process long in the making. Big TV money and conference greed has bred this for a long time now, and it was only right for the players to ask for their fair share of the loot. Still, I hate it and I think when the chickens come home to roost we are going to see about 40 or 50 "super schools" form their own league. Those will be the schools with the deepest pockets. If we think coach's salaries have gotten out of hand, just wait until the next "sure thing" five star QB recruit gets offered five million to come play. Can Nebraska keep up with that kind of money?
 

regoratsginrom

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it just is what it is. might as well embrace it and play the game as well as we can
I agree it is time that the players get a share of all the money that is being thrown around. Not sure how I feel about everyone cutting their own deal as it could impact team dynamics (but that's also prevalent on pro sports teams as well).

I did hear an interesting discussion this morning that I had not really thought about. For these players that are getting big money deals, how will that change the "criticism" that may be warranted when they play poorly. Mike Gundy can no longer say, " leave the kids alone...come after me...I'm a man!" If kids want to get paid (and treated like adults) they will have to take the bad with the good. They are going to lose some protection that has heretofore been in place. "Hey Adrian (or Casey), you threw three picks today. Do you think your NIL sponsors are getting their money's worth?"
 

mgbreeze

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What is the ROInfor the boosters throwing all this cash at players? Is the team winning the return on investment? I don’t see how its a good business deal for any business owner to throw all this money at specific players. Unless they’re going to start announcing during the game, “that’s another touchdown pass by Casey Thompson, brought to you by Bob’s Chevrolet”, or something like that
You really don't understand rich football boosters. They like winning, they like whooping it up on Saturday and they like everyone kissing their *** like they're the king of Egypt. What was T. Boone Pickens' ROI? Some people just have more money than they know what to do with and they have a Jerry Jones complex.