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notFromhere

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I may be in the minority, but winning 10 games 10-7 would be OK with me. I honestly don't care the style of play IF we're winning. Now, play 'not to lose' and/or 'stall ball' and lose? No thank you. I believe that UK's offensive scheme should be 'different' than many other SEC schools. It's unlikely we'll be able to outrecruit the bigger, elite schools for the athletes needed to play NFL-style offensive football. We're not going to get the 4* QBs, OL, WRs and RBs in sufficient numbers to out-NFL Bama, TX, Georgia, Florida, etc.

But, an offensive scheme that is hard to prepare for, that is different schematically than almost all of our opponents might be a long-term answer. Use RPO/designed QB runs, design the passing portion for shorter routes based on YAC, inside zone blocking, etc. I believe we could then recruit plenty of players who want to play in the SEC who don't have the ideal NFL measurables and, thus, aren't heavily recruited by the elites. In the past, Stoops had success with big, physical OL who maybe weren't highly sought after but fit into our system very well. Mobile QBs that put pressure on a defense. Shorter, ball control passing attack to reduce the time our OL has to hold blocks. Physical running backs who can move the pile and pick up the extra yard or two that can make a huge difference. It has worked in the past and I don't see why it couldn't now. It surely has to be better than what we've seen the past few years on offense with no identity, a poor (and porous) OL who can seem to run or pass block effectively, QBs who stand in the pocket holding the ball way too long, long throws down the field that have little chance of success when shorter routes are overlooked or not prioritized, etc. Is Hamdan (or Gran or...?) the guy to design such an offense? I have my doubts but am willing to give BH one more year to prove his worth.

Agreed


Same thing I was saying on another thread and in a different way. We should have danced with the one that we brought to the party, not just on a yearly basis, but game to game, and half to half, series to series. We lost games because we got away from what we did best, got "cute" with the play calling/scheme, or went to stall ball when what we were doing was working.
 

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Howd coen do his second round here? After we installed his outside zone and had his more athletic linemen? Also remember we didn't look good on O his first stint until he stopped demanding outside zone.

We sold our soul to try to install the mcvey outside zone. I get why we did it, but it was a poor decision because it was completely opposite of the very strong brand built for this program.
UK went from scoring 20pts a game under Scangerello....to 29 under Coen in 2022 with Leary/Ray Davis/etc...Not as good as the 2021 offense but was eons better than Scangerello and Bush's ineptness.
 

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We needed to do what won 8-10 games consistently at UK. Instead fans threw a fit and now we're here.
Wut?

When was 10 games consistent

How did fans cause him to **** the bed?

If YOU were happy with consistently 6-8 wins: THAT is on YOU!
 
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UK went from scoring 20pts a game under Scangerello....to 29 under Coen in 2022 with Leary/Ray Davis/etc...Not as good as the 2021 offense but was eons better than Scangerello and Bush's ineptness.

Im talking about the difference between coen 1 and coen 2. You are trying to drag scang into it to support an argument thats just wrong.

Coen is an elite oc. His first stint here was just better because we had an entirely different OL and ground game than the one he wanted.

Wut?

When was 10 games consistent

How did fans cause him to **** the bed?

If YOU were happy with consistently 6-8 wins: THAT is on YOU!

I said 8-10. If you see that and see "10" that is your attempt to be disingenuous.

Just say you hate stoops and then we at least are getting down to it
 

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Stoops and Marrow have been really tight for years. I doubt their relationship suddenly soured to the point where Vince went rogue and told Mark "F- this I'm going to Louisville" a couple days ago. I'm thinking (hopeful) this is the first step of a program cleanse.

1-Stoops tells Vince this is his last year at Kentucky and is unsure what his future holds. Maybe do television a year or two if he needs to wash the stink off and be a candidate for a good head coaching job. Or he decides he's tired of the pressure, staff hires, NIL responsibilities, etc. and slides into an open DC position immediately.

2-Vince is too old to be held in limbo so Stoops gives him his blessing to take the Louisville gig. Vince stays within his familiar recruiting base, is friends with Brohm, and gets an ACC schedule instead of the SEC meat-grinder.

3-Jon Sumrall is waiting in the wings for the call 6 months from now.

I don't think we'll ever fire Stoops but I also don't think he's going to milk millions from the school for a few more years when the fans and boosters are pissed and there's half-empty stadiums. I suspect there's going to be a number negotiated at the end of the season that gets him out of Lexington. Or better yet, he gets another head coaching job and the buyout is a nonfactor.
 

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Im talking about the difference between coen 1 and coen 2. You are trying to drag scang into it to support an argument thats just wrong.

Coen is an elite oc. His first stint here was just better because we had an entirely different OL and ground game than the one he wanted.



I said 8-10. If you see that and see "10" that is your attempt to be disingenuous.

Just say you hate stoops and then we at least are getting down to it
I don't hate/hate Stoops... I don't know him.... very few people that I hate/hate... sports hate; there is plenty
IMO he stinks as the HC of my alma mater... and he never really was "that good"; but the warts are really showing now
Now you can say I LOVE Stoops or that you're at least an apologist
OHBTW...HUUUUUUUGE difference between 8 and 10 wins HUUUUGE
Just trying enlighten ya
 

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Stoops and Marrow have been really tight for years. I doubt their relationship suddenly soured to the point where Vince went rogue and told Mark "F- this I'm going to Louisville" a couple days ago. I'm thinking (hopeful) this is the first step of a program cleanse.

1-Stoops tells Vince this is his last year at Kentucky and is unsure what his future holds. Maybe do television a year or two if he needs to wash the stink off and be a candidate for a good head coaching job. Or he decides he's tired of the pressure, staff hires, NIL responsibilities, etc. and slides into an open DC position immediately.

2-Vince is too old to be held in limbo so Stoops gives him his blessing to take the Louisville gig. Vince stays within his familiar recruiting base, is friends with Brohm, and gets an ACC schedule instead of the SEC meat-grinder.

3-Jon Sumrall is waiting in the wings for the call 6 months from now.

I don't think we'll ever fire Stoops but I also don't think he's going to milk millions from the school for a few more years when the fans and boosters are pissed and there's half-empty stadiums. I suspect there's going to be a number negotiated at the end of the season that gets him out of Lexington. Or better yet, he gets another head coaching job and the buyout is a nonfactor.
Great points. My thoughts exactly. 👍👍
 
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I don't hate/hate Stoops... I don't know him.... very few people that I hate/hate... sports hate; there is plenty
IMO he stinks as the HC of my alma mater... and he never really was "that good"; but the warts are really showing now
Now you can say I LOVE Stoops or that you're at least an apologist
OHBTW...HUUUUUUUGE difference between 8 and 10 wins HUUUUGE
Just trying enlighten ya

Yes there is a difference. Thats exactly why i put 8-10. I had no idea it would confuse someone.
 

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Stoops and Marrow have been really tight for years. I doubt their relationship suddenly soured to the point where Vince went rogue and told Mark "F- this I'm going to Louisville" a couple days ago. I'm thinking (hopeful) this is the first step of a program cleanse.

1-Stoops tells Vince this is his last year at Kentucky and is unsure what his future holds. Maybe do television a year or two if he needs to wash the stink off and be a candidate for a good head coaching job. Or he decides he's tired of the pressure, staff hires, NIL responsibilities, etc. and slides into an open DC position immediately.

2-Vince is too old to be held in limbo so Stoops gives him his blessing to take the Louisville gig. Vince stays within his familiar recruiting base, is friends with Brohm, and gets an ACC schedule instead of the SEC meat-grinder.

3-Jon Sumrall is waiting in the wings for the call 6 months from now.

I don't think we'll ever fire Stoops but I also don't think he's going to milk millions from the school for a few more years when the fans and boosters are pissed and there's half-empty stadiums. I suspect there's going to be a number negotiated at the end of the season that gets him out of Lexington. Or better yet, he gets another head coaching job and the buyout is a nonfactor.
I posted a link to a Matt jones article on another thread. He said that Gran’s voice grew louder and louder in the recruiting room while Vince’s got lower and lower. Said Vince’s 1st choice of recruits kept getting shot down and grew tired of it. If true that would do it. Though I’m sure there is more.