Matt Jones's opinion on Jasper
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I don't see any good coming from starting the narrative that there is "no way someone came here to come off the bench". It's clear that Pope is recruiting based on more than just promising starting spots to certain players. I'd wish they would stay away from stirring that type of pot. Also, I don't know what to make of Matt Jones not even being able to remember Kam Williams' name. I think it's fun to project a starting 5 lineup, but no need to project selfish lines of thinking into these players' or their camps' heads.
My starting 5:
J. Lowe
O. Oweh
K. Williams
M. Dioubate
B. Garrison
First bench line - Quaintance, Aberdeen, Johnson
Who do yall think will start?
My starting 5:
J. Lowe
O. Oweh
K. Williams
M. Dioubate
B. Garrison
First bench line - Quaintance, Aberdeen, Johnson
Who do yall think will start?
Pretty much agree w/ this. I do wonder if Williams might be able to force himself into a starter's role? Not sure who he could bump though, from that group.
Pope said at his presser he expects Jasper to be a superstar and that Jasper expects the same.
I think the ceiling is high, but also think Chandler knows what to expect, got late season confidence, and is working his butt off for next year. I expect Chandler to be off the bench before Jasper.
I think the same logic could apply to Aberdeen. Did he come here to come off the bench? He was expected to start at Florida next year.
Why? Because the 11th ranked recruit in the country can't beat out Chandler or Aberdeen? I can certainly see a scenario where Lowe, Jasper, and Otega are in the starting lineup together. Does anyone seriously think Chandler or Aberdeen is any better than Jasper could potentially be?
He acknowledged the fact they played the third and fifth (starter) most minutes on the team. But also showed frustration and confusion (like everyone else) as to why Cal wouldn't start them and not coincidentally start every game 6-10 points in the hole by the first TV timeout. The thing that really ate at him, and most anyone that paid attention, was that Cal NEVER played the most productive lineup together. Something like 9 of the 10 most productive lineups included Reed, Rob, and Reeves.
In short, he wasn't awe shucks.
officially done with Freshmen given lots of rope while more experienced and consistent talent watches from the bench
fine with Freshmen playing if they are clearly the best choice at the position.
IMO those two opinions are mutually exclusive.
no more playing on potential
fine with Freshmen playing if they are clearly the best choice at the position.
IMO those two opinions are mutually exclusive.
no more playing on potential
Exactly this. There's probably 10 players on this roster that you could say, "they didn't come here to come off the bench." Of course only 5 can start. Everyone wants to be a starter but they also know it's not the end of the world if you don't. Especially with how deep Pope wants his rotation to be.
Totally agreed. It's just super hard for me to imagine JJ not having the ability to beat out Chandler, Aberdeen, or Williams for minutes. We all saw Chandler, and he improved, but goodness he was pretty bad for 75% of the year. He could certainly grow enough to play 20+ minutes, or he couldn't. Everyone is super high on Aberdeen, but the dude is literally a 42%/35% shooter for his career. And he's relatively low A:TO guy as well. Nothing to sneeze at, but also nothing that would scare off a 5-star guard with loads of offensive upside.
I agree. we got him to commit at the end and it was a little surprising that we did turn him. there had to be some sort of agreements to get jasper. not so much a promise of playing time, but we will give him every opportunity to see the floor alot.
I see that Jasper's composite ranking by 247 was #21. Out of curiosity, I looked at the last 10 recruits in that spot:
- Bryson Tucker, IU
- Elmarko Jackson, KU
- JJ Starling, Notre Dame
- Hunter Salis, Gonzaga
- Bryce Thompson, KU
- Tre Mann, UF
- Devon Dotson, KU
- Kris Wilkes, UCLA
- Rawle Alkins, Arizona
- Luke Kennard, Duke
To your Chandler comment…he had relatively unique circumstances of his mission and two year playing gap.
I get the reason. Have talked about it on here previously. None of that changes where his game was last year. He's probably the player, along with JJ, I'm most curious/excited about. He could be the 12-15th guy or a guy that plays 20+ mins. I'm not sure either would surprise me. That's just how much of an unknown he is.
Tre Mann, Kennard are nba picks
Salis, Dotson, Wilkes, Alkins are good college players
Good chance Jasper will be solid contributor for us eventually
If Pope starts the Juniors and Seniors, look at the next five:
G Johnson(6’4 FR)
G Chandler(6’5 SO)
G Williams(6’8 SO)
F Jelavic(6’11 FR)
F Quaintance(6’10 SO)
That’s a young, but extremely talented group. Probably better talent overall than the starters, just lacking their experience.
Then you’ve got Moreno, Noah, Hawthorne, and Potter as your 11th-14th men. How many teams have a McD’s AA as their 11th man?
This is some Pitino-esque stuff Pope is pulling off. We haven’t seen someone stockpile talent like this since Coach Pitino did it in the 90’s.
Remember when Wayne Turner was like 10th off the bench as a Freshman?
Weeeeee’reeeee Baaaaaaaaack!!!!
LOL!
I know Pope still has a long way to go, but he is heading in the right direction, IMHO.
G Johnson(6’4 FR)
G Chandler(6’5 SO)
G Williams(6’8 SO)
F Jelavic(6’11 FR)
F Quaintance(6’10 SO)
That’s a young, but extremely talented group. Probably better talent overall than the starters, just lacking their experience.
Then you’ve got Moreno, Noah, Hawthorne, and Potter as your 11th-14th men. How many teams have a McD’s AA as their 11th man?
This is some Pitino-esque stuff Pope is pulling off. We haven’t seen someone stockpile talent like this since Coach Pitino did it in the 90’s.
Remember when Wayne Turner was like 10th off the bench as a Freshman?
Weeeeee’reeeee Baaaaaaaaack!!!!
LOL!
I know Pope still has a long way to go, but he is heading in the right direction, IMHO.
Didn't listen much except to some post games. I don't remember him being harsh as most about it.
I'd say that's Coache's message to him and the family. Look what Dilly and Reed did coming off the bench so be patient.
Starter’s
PG- Lowe 6’3”
SG- Aberdeen 6’5”
SF/W- Oweh 6’5”
F-Diaboute 6’7”
C-Garrison 6’11”
Jasper 6’4” should be first off bench for Lowe at PG or Aberdeen at SG.
Chandler 6’5” will spell Aberdeen at SG and Oweh at SF/W.
Kam 6’8” will spell Oweh at SF/W.
Jelavic 6’11” will spell Mo at F.
Jayden 6’9” will spell BG at C.
Noah will probably play SG and SF/W in certain situations and matchups.
Moreno will play F/C in certain situations and matchups.
Potter same as Moreno if he doesn’t redshirt.
Hawthorne probably a cigar man this year.
Tow cigar man.
PG- Lowe 6’3”
SG- Aberdeen 6’5”
SF/W- Oweh 6’5”
F-Diaboute 6’7”
C-Garrison 6’11”
Jasper 6’4” should be first off bench for Lowe at PG or Aberdeen at SG.
Chandler 6’5” will spell Aberdeen at SG and Oweh at SF/W.
Kam 6’8” will spell Oweh at SF/W.
Jelavic 6’11” will spell Mo at F.
Jayden 6’9” will spell BG at C.
Noah will probably play SG and SF/W in certain situations and matchups.
Moreno will play F/C in certain situations and matchups.
Potter same as Moreno if he doesn’t redshirt.
Hawthorne probably a cigar man this year.
Tow cigar man.
Idk if he was "harsh", he just always brought those points up. The being down 10 by the first TV timeout and not playing the most productive lineups together is what REALLY drove him bonkers.
Proving themselves on the PRACTICE floor will carry the weight here and set the starting lineup, IMO. There are so many pieces to work with ... just hard to say honestly, apart from Lowe at point. Focusing on who starts, IMO, is a moot point regarding their success as a team. With Perry and Lewis departing leaves us without a true point guard backup but I'm sure Jasper can handle the point as well, if needed.
So it's really simple
Jasper is a SG/SF...maybe a stretch as PG
1. Can he beat out Oweh...I say no way (if he's back)
2. Can he beat out Aberdeen...I say that is a tall task as well
3. Can he beat out Kam Johnson....possible
4. I don't see him at PG...so Jalen Lowe is PG1 today
So what spot is he beating out...I'd say it's that other wing spot opposite of Oweh
Jasper is a SG/SF...maybe a stretch as PG
1. Can he beat out Oweh...I say no way (if he's back)
2. Can he beat out Aberdeen...I say that is a tall task as well
3. Can he beat out Kam Johnson....possible
4. I don't see him at PG...so Jalen Lowe is PG1 today
So what spot is he beating out...I'd say it's that other wing spot opposite of Oweh
Have to admit, that surprised me - so I went to Jon Scott's site to look. And actually Reed was 2nd in minutes. Maybe that wouldn't have surprised in real time, but now, just two years later, I had no idea.
Reeves 1035 minutes
Reed 953
Tre Mitchell 817
DJ 748
Rob 745
Aside: I think Reed was clearly the best player on that team. Of course, he didn't get noticed that way, because Antonio scored the most points, and one of the original 10 commandments that got switched out while wondering in the desert was THOU SHALT ALWAYS ANNOINT THE LEADING SCORER AS BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM. heh. Pet peeve, really. (and of course, now Reed would never be thought of as the best player on that team because of a certain t-shirt)......