Mattis attacking Trump

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Nope, I can’t argue with CHAOS, he’s right. I don’t feel anything on the left deserves uniting with. It deserves to be destroyed as a blight on the American conscience and a threat to our way of life.
Come on. That’s ridiculous. Nothing? That can’t be. And if you do feel that way the nation is in trouble. I like stuff about the right and if met half way could agree on stuff. Nothing and destroy seem a bit over the top
 

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"Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us," Mattis said.
"We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children."
Mattis is scathing about a former president in Call Sign Chaos: Learning to Lead, which is released today, and he doesn’t hesitate to name him: Barack Obama.
The former general's opinion of Obama, for whom Mattis was head of U.S. Central Command from 2010 until 2013, might be summed up by a single entry in the book’s index: “Obama, Barack, strategic thinking lacking.”
Mattis summarizes his time commanding CENTCOM, overseeing military operations in the Middle East and Central Asia until Obama fired him, in harsh terms: “It was to be a time when I would witness duty and deceit, courage and cowardice, and, ultimately, strategic frustration.”
He details in the book how Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, who was in charge of Iraq policy, were “ignoring reality”.
Obama made “catastrophic decisions” in Iraq, Mattis concludes. And he did so because he ignored the advice coming from multiple military and civilian advisers, thinking he knew better than all of them.
“It’s frustrating to listen to any leader blame his predecessor, especially a political leader regarding a situation that he knew existed when he ran for office,” Mattis says, referring to Obama's disdain for Bush.
He has one last parting shot for his old boss Obama:
“Acting strategically requires that political leaders make clear what they will stand for and what they will not stand for."
 

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Come on. That’s ridiculous. Nothing? That can’t be. And if you do feel that way the nation is in trouble. I like stuff about the right and if met half way could agree on stuff. Nothing and destroy seem a bit over the top
Some people think they are better than others, that they are always right, and that they are justified in whatever action they take.
 

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Mattis is scathing about a former president in Call Sign Chaos: Learning to Lead, which is released today, and he doesn’t hesitate to name him: Barack Obama.
The former general's opinion of Obama, for whom Mattis was head of U.S. Central Command from 2010 until 2013, might be summed up by a single entry in the book’s index: “Obama, Barack, strategic thinking lacking.”
Mattis summarizes his time commanding CENTCOM, overseeing military operations in the Middle East and Central Asia until Obama fired him, in harsh terms: “It was to be a time when I would witness duty and deceit, courage and cowardice, and, ultimately, strategic frustration.”
He details in the book how Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, who was in charge of Iraq policy, were “ignoring reality”.
Obama made “catastrophic decisions” in Iraq, Mattis concludes.
And he did so because he ignored the advice coming from multiple military and civilian advisers, thinking he knew better than all of them.
“It’s frustrating to listen to any leader blame his predecessor, especially a political leader regarding a situation that he knew existed when he ran for office,” Mattis says, referring to Obama's disdain for Bush.
He has one last parting shot for his old boss Obama:
“Acting strategically requires that political leaders make clear what they will stand for and what they will not stand for."
Damn, no way to spin that.
 

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Mattis is scathing about a former president in Call Sign Chaos: Learning to Lead, which is released today, and he doesn’t hesitate to name him: Barack Obama.
The former general's opinion of Obama, for whom Mattis was head of U.S. Central Command from 2010 until 2013, might be summed up by a single entry in the book’s index: “Obama, Barack, strategic thinking lacking.”
Mattis summarizes his time commanding CENTCOM, overseeing military operations in the Middle East and Central Asia until Obama fired him, in harsh terms: “It was to be a time when I would witness duty and deceit, courage and cowardice, and, ultimately, strategic frustration.”
He details in the book how Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, who was in charge of Iraq policy, were “ignoring reality”.
Obama made “catastrophic decisions” in Iraq, Mattis concludes.
And he did so because he ignored the advice coming from multiple military and civilian advisers, thinking he knew better than all of them.
“It’s frustrating to listen to any leader blame his predecessor, especially a political leader regarding a situation that he knew existed when he ran for office,” Mattis says, referring to Obama's disdain for Bush.
He has one last parting shot for his old boss Obama:
“Acting strategically requires that political leaders make clear what they will stand for and what they will not stand for."
I wasn’t under the false notion that Mattis likes Obama. But it’s interesting that 1) the right says the left has no grounds to say Trump has lacked leadership, yet here’s a rightwing leader that many on this very board praised saying the same thing, and 2) how fast you guys turn on the man now he dared to trash your king.
 

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Mattis writes in August 2012, he says, “President Obama issued a firm warning. ‘That’s a red line for us,’ he said. ‘There would be enormous consequences if we start seeing movement on the chemical weapons front or the use of chemical weapons.’”

A short time later, Assad did employ chemical weapons, killing hundreds of civilians,” Mattis continues. “At CENTCOM, I assumed we would be the ones to provide the President’s ‘enormous consequence.’ We prepared options to hold Assad harshly accountable, with NATO and Arab allies in support, from single strikes to more extensive operations, depending on the President’s judgment.”
But Obama declined to do anything.
 

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Some people think they are better than others, that they are always right, and that they are justified in whatever action they take.

Some people are never "always right" but there do exist a rare few who can NEVER admit when they are wrong.

Know anyone like that? Say when it comes to a completely fabricated Russian "collusion" counter espionage operation?
 

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Some people think they are better than others, that they are always right, and that they are justified in whatever action they take.
That’s a bit judgmental until you here from him. Someone can refuse to agree with someone and not think they are better than others.
 

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Come on. That’s ridiculous. Nothing? That can’t be. And if you do feel that way the nation is in trouble. I like stuff about the right and if met half way could agree on stuff. Nothing and destroy seem a bit over the top
I met half way for 8 years under Obama. I threw the anchor when Trump was elected. Time for the left to make all of the concessions.
 

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I wasn’t under the false notion that Mattis likes Obama. But it’s interesting that 1) the right says the left has no grounds to say Trump has lacked leadership, yet here’s a rightwing leader that many on this very board praised saying the same thing, and 2) how fast you guys turn on the man now he dared to trash your king.
I haven't turned on anyone .....I don't give two ***** about Mattis.......I'm only pointing out how this all works to some VERY NAIVE people.
Here how it works for folks like you in "Walley World":
Mattis trashes Trump....Maddis.....good guy.
Maddis trashes Obama.......Maddis bad guy.
 

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Some people think they are better than others, that they are always right, and that they are justified in whatever action they take.
I have no doubt that I’m better than a lot of people and I don’t feel bad for it. Take any man that ran off and left their family. I’m 100% better than every one of those shitbags for starters, and no, I don’t care about their circumstances. They failed as men.
 

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I met half way for 8 years under Obama. I threw the anchor when Trump was elected. Time for the left to make all of the concessions.
Unfortunate. I would think as a military guy you couldn’t stomach Trump. Dodged the draft. Respected military officers like Mattis...and he isn’t the only one...dislike him in droves. I’ve never seen this much outspoken military guys on a sitting President.

But I guess the ends justify the means. He will allow you to keep all your guns and shares a couple of other issues.

Serious question. Do you like Trump the man? If Trump wasn’t President who would your first choice?
 

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Unfortunate. I would think as a military guy you couldn’t stomach Trump. Dodged the draft. Respected military officers like Mattis...and he isn’t the only one...dislike him in droves. I’ve never seen this much outspoken military guys on a sitting President.
Dodged the draft like Biden and Clinton?
I'll let you in on a little secret.......Military people hated Obama much more than they hate Trump.
BTW....when did you serve?
 

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Serious question. Do you like Trump the man? If Trump wasn’t President who would your first choice?
Serious Answer........Trump was a better choice than your gal....and we vote for the candidates that are on the ballot.....you dumbass.
 

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Unfortunate. I would think as a military guy you couldn’t stomach Trump. Dodged the draft. Respected military officers like Mattis...and he isn’t the only one...dislike him in droves. I’ve never seen this much outspoken military guys on a sitting President.

But I guess the ends justify the means. He will allow you to keep all your guns and shares a couple of other issues.

Serious question. Do you like Trump the man? If Trump wasn’t President who would your first choice?
I can’t stand him, the man. He’s an ***. I didn’t vote for him in 16. I will be this year. The left’s platform is that unpalatable for me. But, the left’s position aside, I’m a pretty big fan of the policies he’s enacted. He actually exceeded my expectations from a policy perspective.
 

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I haven't turned on anyone .....I don't give two ***** about Mattis.......I'm only pointing out how this all works to some VERY NAIVE people.
Here how it works for folks like you in "Walley World":
Mattis trashes Trump....Maddis.....good guy.
Maddis trashes Obama.......Maddis bad guy.

Know what I find amazingly ironic and downright laughable? In terms of just confidence in his leadership Trump has never spied on anyone who disagrees with him. They either support him or they leave.

With Obama he spied on everyone who disagreed with him...former Department heads, Generals, the media...anyone! Using the FBI, the IRS, the DNI, the CIA, the FISA court...if you were critical of him or didn't agree with him, you got fired and then you got spied on!

Fact.

Now the Left is trying to portray Trump as this narrow minded bigot who can't bring folks together, but notice they're not blaming him for spying on his former National Security advisor or Cent Com Generals like Zero did?
 
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Know what I find amazingly ironic and downright laughable? In terms of just confidence in his leadership Trump has never spied on anyone who disagrees with him. They either support him or they leave.

With Obama he spied on everyone who disagreed with him...former Department heads, Generals, the media...anyone! Using the FBI, the IRS, the DNI, the CIA, the FISA court...if you were critical of him or didn't agree with him, you got fired and then you got spied on!

Fact.

Now the Left is trying to portray Trump as this narrow minded bigot who can't bring folks together, but notice they're not blaming him for spying on his former National Security advisor or Cent Com Generals like Zero did?


Obama never spied on anyone, idiot.
 

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Obama never spied on anyone, idiot.
Like personally, with binoculars in a tree? Because he was fully aware of the FISA surveillance on the Trump campaign that Rosenstein testified today was without cause due to falsified FBI documents.
 

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Obama never spied on anyone, idiot.

Ask reporter Sheryl Atkisson if Obama never spied on her? Ask Lois Lerner if she never spied on Obama's political opposition for him through the IRS? Ask Carter Paige if the Obama administration never spied on him? Or ask Gen Mike Flynn?

Go take a bath, you reek.
 
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Ask reporter Sheryl Atkisson if Obama never spied on her? Ask Lois Lerner if she never spied on Obama's political opposition for him through the IRS? Ask Carter Paige if the Obama administration never spied on him? Or ask Gen Mike Flynn?

Go take a bath, you reek.



hahahahahaha

Good lord, you are such a f’ucking moron. Still think trump won’t be impeached? LMAO!

still think Flynn is a good guy? LOL! What about Manafort? Roger Stone? Trump didn’t try to pay off a porn star?

Cheryl Atkisson? LMAO! It’s no wonder you’re such a f’ucking moron. You fill your head with right-wing ********.
 

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I can’t stand him, the man. He’s an ***. I didn’t vote for him in 16. I will be this year. The left’s platform is that unpalatable for me. But, the left’s position aside, I’m a pretty big fan of the policies he’s enacted. He actually exceeded my expectations from a policy perspective.
Fair enough
 

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hahahahahaha

Good lord, you are such a f’ucking moron. Still think trump won’t be impeached? LMAO!

still think Flynn is a good guy? LOL! What about Manafort? Roger Stone? Trump didn’t try to pay off a porn star?

Cheryl Atkisson? LMAO! It’s no wonder you’re such a f’ucking moron. You fill your head with right-wing ********.

You said Obama never spied on anyone and I gave you at least 4 names. Were any of them NOT spied on?
 

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To be honest, I'm having a difficult time reconciling Mattis' statements today.
 

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That’s a bit judgmental until you here from him. Someone can refuse to agree with someone and not think they are better than others.
It is judgmental, absolutely. But to generalize the entire “left” as something that is threatening American way of life is exhausting to me.
 

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"Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us," Mattis said.
"We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children."

Good for you.

Let's all Hope Biden isn't put in a home before November. Why you want this racist, bigoted idiot with dementia as your president is astounding. Biden record of racism dates all the way back to 1970's and as recently as 3 weeks ago. You talk about a division soon to come...geez.
 

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I have no doubt that I’m better than a lot of people and I don’t feel bad for it. Take any man that ran off and left their family. I’m 100% better than every one of those shitbags for starters, and no, I don’t care about their circumstances. They failed as men.
I can agree on that one for sure. I’ve heard your positions on many issues, and I have no doubt you are someone I could call a friend, a neighbor, a colleague, and a fellow American. I also have no doubt you’re someone I could work with to find positive solutions to any situation. I have respect for you as a thinker and as an American. I don’t know why you can’t see that about myself or at least someone else on the left.
 

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It is judgmental, absolutely. But to generalize the entire “left” as something that is threatening American way of life is exhausting to me.

If you can't see that then there is no hope. The left should have chosen a better candidate than Joe "who am I again" Biden.