Mayors "defying" Trump

DvlDog4WVU

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Pittsburgh, nearly 100 other cities, defy Trump and stand with Paris Accord
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-defy-trump-and-stand-with-paris-accord.html

I'm trying to understand how they are defying him. I don't get it. The energy emissions objectives are great. They can't defy him unless they start pooling money to send to the other nations and allow their cities to be open to litigation. Dumbest **** I've read about concerning this situation. Moreover, they have no impact on the energy transformation requirements. It's just absurd.
 

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Exclusive: California to discuss linking carbon market with China
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-california-china-ex-idUSKBN18S6NO


California Governor Jerry Brown said on Thursday he will discuss merging carbon trading markets in his state and China when he travels to Asia later this week, a sign of the governor's ambition to influence global climate change policy.

Brown discussed his plans in a telephone interview after U.S. President Donald Trump announced he would withdraw the United States from the landmark 2015 Paris climate accord, a global agreement to fight climate change. The move fulfilled a major Trump campaign pledge, but drew condemnation from U.S. allies and business leaders.

Brown, who vigorously opposes the United States' withdrawal from the pact, lambasted Trump's decision to pull out of the Paris accord as "insane."

He has been working with states and provinces around the world to set voluntary agreements to address global warming. The governor heads to China on Friday for meetings focused on climate change.

California has the largest carbon trading system in the United States and has frequently hosted officials from China, which has launched seven pilot regional trading schemes.

China also plans to roll out a nationwide market later this year, but the launch faces possible delays amid unreliable data and other regulatory problems, according to a government researcher.

California's system, which is known as "cap and trade," is already linked to Canada's Quebec market.

"I think that is a heavy lift to include Chinese provinces, but we are definitely taking that possibility very seriously," Brown said.

"We want to make sure it has full integrity and know exactly what's going on. And we can’t say that today," he said. "Maybe we don’t put it right in the same cap-and-trade regime, maybe some parallel regime," he added. "I am going to discuss that with the highest officials in China this week."

Brown will be meeting regional and national officials over the course of a week-long trip to China and will host a clean energy forum.

Trump has also sought to engage China, hosting President Xi Jinping at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida in April. Critics say that the U.S. exit from the Paris accord sets up China to take on a higher-profile global role.
 

rog1187

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Pittsburgh, nearly 100 other cities, defy Trump and stand with Paris Accord
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-defy-trump-and-stand-with-paris-accord.html

I'm trying to understand how they are defying him. I don't get it. The energy emissions objectives are great. They can't defy him unless they start pooling money to send to the other nations and allow their cities to be open to litigation. Dumbest **** I've read about concerning this situation. Moreover, they have no impact on the energy transformation requirements. It's just absurd.
I'm burning dirty coal to defy their defiance
 

dave

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Pittsburgh, nearly 100 other cities, defy Trump and stand with Paris Accord
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-defy-trump-and-stand-with-paris-accord.html

I'm trying to understand how they are defying him. I don't get it. The energy emissions objectives are great. They can't defy him unless they start pooling money to send to the other nations and allow their cities to be open to litigation. Dumbest **** I've read about concerning this situation. Moreover, they have no impact on the energy transformation requirements. It's just absurd.
Trump has convinced liberals of the importance of states rights and capitalism. America is great again.
 

Bulya

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Trump has convinced liberals of the importance of states rights and capitalism. America is great again.

Can't have it both ways dave. You all bang for state's right regarding abortion, union busting, voting laws, etc... but now they can't do what they want regarding carbon emissions or legalizing weed?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Can't have it both ways dave. You all bang for state's right regarding abortion, union busting, voting laws, etc... but now they can't do what they want regarding carbon emissions or legalizing weed?
Clearly, comprehension of the written word isn't your strong suit.
 

dave

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Can't have it both ways dave. You all bang for state's right regarding abortion, union busting, voting laws, etc... but now they can't do what they want regarding carbon emissions or legalizing weed?
Yeah, you are not smart enough to put words in my mouth so dont try. Stick to simpleton.
 

WVPATX

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Yeah, you are not smart enough to put words in my mouth so dont try. Stick to simpleton.

The mayors have little power to do anything substantive in this area. They can raise taxes on cars commuting into the city, they can require all public buildings to be green etc. The governors and state legislatures have far more power and could require a much greater variety of green energy throughout the state. They could also ban fracking and and deny drilling permits. to be honest, I hope all the liberal governors do that. We will see a huge influx of jobs and people into the states that don't.

Globally, all these actions are meaningless. The big issue with the Paris accords was that huge transfer of money from the US to other countries. And they could do nothing to Force that those payments be made. And if these payments are not made, the entire agreement will fall apart eventually. In the meantime, I can see many jobs being created in the US because of the significant advantage in cheap energy over Europe and Asian countries.
 

mneilmont

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Can't have it both ways dave. You all bang for state's right regarding abortion, union busting, voting laws, etc... but now they can't do what they want regarding carbon emissions or legalizing weed?
They obviously have the right to do what their conscious tells them. It is just expensive. And Pittsburg will not be exempt from the tax needed to pay the bill.
 

dave

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The mayors have little power to do anything substantive in this area. They can raise taxes on cars commuting into the city, they can require all public buildings to be green etc. The governors and state legislatures have far more power and could require a much greater variety of green energy throughout the state. They could also ban fracking and and deny drilling permits. to be honest, I hope all the liberal governors do that. We will see a huge influx of jobs and people into the states that don't.

Globally, all these actions are meaningless. The big issue with the Paris accords was that huge transfer of money from the US to other countries. And they could do nothing to Force that those payments be made. And if these payments are not made, the entire agreement will fall apart eventually. In the meantime, I can see many jobs being created in the US because of the significant advantage in cheap energy over Europe and Asian countries.
Doesnt matter who has what power. I am fine with local governments doing whater they choose regarding the environment. They are responsible to their voters.