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HI Cock1

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Whatever the state of college sports is right now is absolutely horrendous. Our men's bball team is a case study in the idiocy of it.

Not sure I'll even watch men's cbb next year. The whole thing is just stooopid. I wonder which university will finally say, "These kids aren't students anymore, so we're not going to have a program anymore."

Edit: I don't blame CMB one bit for going pro. At least that makes sense, given his abilities and outlook.
 
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I will watch more this upcoming year than last year. I'm interested to watch Eli Ellis, but if Paris doesn't play him, I will stop, LOL
 

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I wonder which university will finally say, "These kids aren't students anymore, so we're not going to have a program anymore."

As I said in another thread, the University of Chicago was about 75 years ahead of the times when it disbanded its football program in 1939. They've since reinstituted it as a Div III program, but it's probably safe to say the players on that team chose the school based on mostly non-football-related factors. I could totally see other colleges coming to the same conclusion in the coming years, although based on a slightly different cost-benefit analysis than Chicago faced in the 1930s. I don't think I would blame those schools one bit. In fact, my opinion of them would be elevated.
 
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As I said in another thread, the University of Chicago was about 75 years ahead of the times when it disbanded its football program in 1939. They've since reinstituted it as a Div III program, but it's probably safe to say the players on that team chose the school based on mostly non-football-related factors. I could totally see other colleges coming to the same conclusion in the coming years, although based on a slightly different cost-benefit analysis than Chicago faced in the 1930s. I don't think I would blame those schools one bit. In fact, my opinion of them would be elevated.
Schools don't have to or need to go that far. There is a lot of money to be made for everyone. The sport just needs to have some guardrails as to how it is distributed. Also, making some money while being in an Educational environment has it benefits if properly used and maintained. There have been enough mistakes by all parties without pointing a finger. Hopefully Revenue Sharing will bring some sense to all this. There needs to be contracts and a salary structure just like mini-professional sport. College Athletics have long been a professional operation. Only the coaches were getting paid though. Once you can get some semblance of cost certainty, the sport will be fine. The traditionalists that long for the days of amateurism may still have a problem, but most people are resigned to the reality that the revenue sports in College Athletics will operate similar to the pros in the future.
 

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Schools don't have to or need to go that far. There is a lot of money to be made for everyone. The sport just needs to have some guardrails as to how it is distributed. Also, making some money while being in an Educational environment has it benefits if properly used and maintained. There have been enough mistakes by all parties without pointing a finger. Hopefully Revenue Sharing will bring some sense to all this. There needs to be contracts and a salary structure just like mini-professional sport. College Athletics have long been a professional operation. Only the coaches were getting paid though. Once you can get some semblance of cost certainty, the sport will be fine. The traditionalists that long for the days of amateurism may still have a problem, but most people are resigned to the reality that the revenue sports in College Athletics will operate similar to the pros in the future.
Just make the kids employees of the university and give them contracts like a coach or a professional player. NIL doesn’t go away.
 
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Schools don't have to or need to go that far. There is a lot of money to be made for everyone. The sport just needs to have some guardrails as to how it is distributed. Also, making some money while being in an Educational environment has it benefits if properly used and maintained. There have been enough mistakes by all parties without pointing a finger. Hopefully Revenue Sharing will bring some sense to all this. There needs to be contracts and a salary structure just like mini-professional sport. College Athletics have long been a professional operation. Only the coaches were getting paid though. Once you can get some semblance of cost certainty, the sport will be fine. The traditionalists that long for the days of amateurism may still have a problem, but most people are resigned to the reality that the revenue sports in College Athletics will operate similar to the pros in the future.
Why have any connection at all to the school? If this is going to be pro sports, let it be a bunch of private businesses.
 

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Employees of the university wouldn't have to be students. "College" teams would be nothing more than a pro league with naming rights of a school.
You can’t maintain bylaws or standards dictating eligibility?
 

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Schools don't have to or need to go that far. There is a lot of money to be made for everyone. The sport just needs to have some guardrails as to how it is distributed. Also, making some money while being in an Educational environment has it benefits if properly used and maintained. There have been enough mistakes by all parties without pointing a finger. Hopefully Revenue Sharing will bring some sense to all this. There needs to be contracts and a salary structure just like mini-professional sport. College Athletics have long been a professional operation. Only the coaches were getting paid though. Once you can get some semblance of cost certainty, the sport will be fine. The traditionalists that long for the days of amateurism may still have a problem, but most people are resigned to the reality that the revenue sports in College Athletics will operate similar to the pros in the future.
I wasn't really speaking to P4 schools, but thinking more about the G5 and perhaps even FCS programs out there. I think it's important to remember what big time athletic programs are to schools: Marketing tools. It doesn't really matter if Ohio State's, A&M's, or even South Carolina's athletic departments turn a profit on paper, so long as they bring positive exposure to the school. You need only look at Clemson's and Georgia's growth in annual applications since they became regular CFP participants to understand the intangible benefits of successful revenue sports. A doubling of your applications over a 6 or 8 year period is not only a revenue generator for a school, but it also allows them to be more selective in who they admit - which is an easy way to boost a school's academic reputation without investing one bit in actual academics.

For the programs that can afford to compete at the P4 level, operating professional football and basketball programs makes sense. For the East Carolina's, Southern Miss's, Marshall's, and other G5s of the world, I think the cost/benefit analysis of operating in that manner becomes more difficult. This is especially true if the P4 essentially break away from the rest of the NCAA, taking the vast majority of TV exposure with them. Maybe they drop down to FCS or maybe some of them somewhere decide to drop scholarship athletics altogether, focusing purely on being an academic institution with club sports.

I'm not making predictions (other than one) as I admit I have no idea where all of this is leading. But I think almost anything is on the table and nobody else knows where all of this is leading either. My only prediction is that college football in 20 years will look a lot more different from today's college football than today's college football differs from the product of 20 years ago.
 

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You can’t maintain bylaws or standards dictating eligibility?
No more than they can about other jobs at the school. It wouldn't be long before a lawsuit was filed if a school made being a student a requirement for having a job as a football player. I'd hate to be the attorney arguing that being enrolled in college was a BFOQ for being a professional football player. The plaintiff's attorney could bring out a list of hundreds of jobs at the university that didn't require the employee to be enrolled as a student and demand to know what is unique about playing football that requires an employee to be a student.

Also, I would think the players would be employees of the athletic association and not direct employees of the school, further complicating the issue. Now, you have employees of an organization that is completely independent of the school that has some sort of naming rights from the school. The school would have even less control over eligibility of players and the athletic associations would have an even harder time making college enrollment a BFOQ for the job of football player.
 

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“We would like to offer you a job playing football at our school”
Exactly. It would be no different than offering someone a job in the accounting office at the school.

The big difference would be that the player would most likely not be working for the school but for the athletic association of the school, thus making a requirement of being a student even more difficult to enforce.
 
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No more than they can about other jobs at the school. It wouldn't be long before a lawsuit was filed if a school made being a student a requirement for having a job as a football player. I'd hate to be the attorney arguing that being enrolled in college was a BFOQ for being a professional football player. The plaintiff's attorney could bring out a list of hundreds of jobs at the university that didn't require the employee to be enrolled as a student and demand to know what is unique about playing football that requires an employee to be a student.

Also, I would think the players would be employees of the athletic association and not direct employees of the school, further complicating the issue. Now, you have employees of an organization that is completely independent of the school that has some sort of naming rights from the school. The school would have even less control over eligibility of players and the athletic associations would have an even harder time making college enrollment a BFOQ for the job of football player.
I mean schools already hire students for certain jobs in schools. It’s not like it’s not already being done. Seems no different than the NFL team contracting a player in terms of the work side of things. It’s an interesting conversation.
 

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I mean schools already hire students for certain jobs in schools. It’s not like it’s not already being done. Seems no different than the NFL team contracting a player in terms of the work side of things. It’s an interesting conversation.
Yes, students get hired for some jobs but being a student as a job requirement is pretty rare. Maybe a grad assistant, the requirement could be in place to ensure the employee had knowledge of the subject they were teaching. I don't think dining hall jobs have a requirement that the employee be a student or working in the bookstore. If a student who works in a dining hall or library were to quit school, I'm not sure the school could fire them from their job simply because they weren't a student anymore. Janitors, grounds keeping employees and people who work in the administrative offices aren't required to be students. I don't see how being a student would be something a football player would have to be in order to do the job if they are an employee.

The NFL contracts a player to play football. They don't have an additional requirement that the player be a musician or artist or engage in any other discipline or activity in order to be eligible to play professional football.
 

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I’ve had enough, so I’ve decided to declare to the transfer portal and come to South Carolina to help my gamecocks. I will be forgoing the NBA draft. I plan on using my 40th year of eligibility based on the Covid/Juco/injury/just because I want to exception rule
 

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No more than they can about other jobs at the school. It wouldn't be long before a lawsuit was filed if a school made being a student a requirement for having a job as a football player. I'd hate to be the attorney arguing that being enrolled in college was a BFOQ for being a professional football player. The plaintiff's attorney could bring out a list of hundreds of jobs at the university that didn't require the employee to be enrolled as a student and demand to know what is unique about playing football that requires an employee to be a student.

Also, I would think the players would be employees of the athletic association and not direct employees of the school, further complicating the issue. Now, you have employees of an organization that is completely independent of the school that has some sort of naming rights from the school. The school would have even less control over eligibility of players and the athletic associations would have an even harder time making college enrollment a BFOQ for the job of football player.
There are also plenty of jobs that do require student status.