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Running your offense out around the logo, and 50% free throw shooting is probably a recipe for disaster. I’m so tired of watching three guys passed the ball around near the gamecock at Center Court.
 

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Running your offense out around the logo, and 50% free throw shooting is probably a recipe for disaster. I’m so tired of watching three guys passed the ball around near the gamecock at Center Court.

Like they hsve no set plays or at least cant execute them.
Despite... only down 4 now
 

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Choked another one away. 0-11, I mean, at some point this becomes indefensible. We're there.
 

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They're not snake bitten. They suck.

Murray-Boyles is quite the disappointment in crunch time.

Paris is a loser. I expect we'll move on from him after next year.

Sucking is getting blown out.
We have rarely been blown out.
Every game is a close loss. Im not about moral victories so yes the record sucks and the team isnt great but they dont suck.
 
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Sucking is getting blown out.
We have rarely been blown out.
Every game is a close loss. Im not about moral victories so yes the record sucks and the team isnt great but they dont suck.
0-11.

Spin it however you'd like. To me 0-11 means you suck. Basement-dweller status. Rightfully attained.
 

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Sucking is getting blown out.
We have rarely been blown out.
Every game is a close loss. Im not about moral victories so yes the record sucks and the team isnt great but they dont suck.
They are awful.
The worst team in the history of SC Basketball.
Not sure how you can spin it any other way.
 

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Sucking is getting blown out.
We have rarely been blown out.
Every game is a close loss. Im not about moral victories so yes the record sucks and the team isnt great but they dont suck.

0-11.

Spin it however you'd like. To me 0-11 means you suck. Basement-dweller status. Rightfully attained.

Yes, however it is you get there, when you're 0-11, you suck. If we finished 18-0 in conference play, winning 18 close games, nobody would say it wasn't a great season because all the wins were close. We'd say, it doesn't matter how we got there, we got there. Same logic goes for being 0-11.

Top to bottom, this team sucks. That includes the coaching. Historically bad. When you're historically bad, you suck.

And there's no silver lining. There's no young, promising player who has shown flashes that we can look forward to next year. This team is an abysmal black hole of suck. If they had any decency, they'd forfeit the rest of the season.
 

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Yes, however it is you get there, when you're 0-11, you suck. If we finished 18-0 in conference play, winning 18 close games, nobody would say it wasn't a great season because all the wins were close. We'd say, it doesn't matter how we got there, we got there. Same logic goes for being 0-11.

Top to bottom, this team sucks. That includes the coaching. Historically bad. When you're historically bad, you suck.

And there's no silver lining. There's no young, promising player who has shown flashes that we can look forward to next year. This team is an abysmal black hole of suck. If they had any decency, they'd forfeit the rest of the season.
Agree. Unfortunately I don't think Paris recovers from this. There are to many examples of 3rd year coaches at traditionally bad basketball schools doing better than us.
Unfortunately Paris has 1 more yar to prove me wrong but ai really think he's done.
 
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Yes, however it is you get there, when you're 0-11, you suck. If we finished 18-0 in conference play, winning 18 close games, nobody would say it wasn't a great season because all the wins were close. We'd say, it doesn't matter how we got there, we got there. Same logic goes for being 0-11.

Top to bottom, this team sucks. That includes the coaching. Historically bad. When you're historically bad, you suck.

And there's no silver lining. There's no young, promising player who has shown flashes that we can look forward to next year. This team is an abysmal black hole of suck. If they had any decency, they'd forfeit the rest of the season.
The only silver lining is we can't be any worse next year. :rolleyes:
 

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I’ve honestly given up on trying to figure out what constitutes a foul, blocking call and carrying anymore - watched the OM guards carry the ball numerous times and also take five to six steps with no traveling calls being made
At least you’re consistent
Refs fault in men and women games. Always their fault
 
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Agree. Unfortunately I don't think Paris recovers from this. There are to many examples of 3rd year coaches at traditionally bad basketball schools doing better than us.
Unfortunately Paris has 1 more yar to prove me wrong but ai really think he's done.

Yes, it's a formality now. Since he got us to the tournament last year, we're obligated to go through the dog and pony show of bringing him back next season. But there's no coming back from this. We all know it.

Does he really deserve to come back next year? No, of course not. We're paying him pretty well. If he deserves to come back next year, then we deserve for him to pay back a substantial portion of his salary from this year. There's no "deserve" when you're getting paid millions of dollars to produce. I don't get all this "he deserves the chance to turn it around" talk. Why? It's not like he's doing us a favor. We're paying him $4 million.
 
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Yes, it's a formality now. Since he got us to the tournament last year, we're obligated to go through the dog and pony show of bringing him back next season. But there's no coming back from this. We all know it.

Does he really deserve to come back next year? No, of course not. We're paying him pretty well. If he deserves to come back next year, then we deserve for him to pay back a substantial portion of his salary from this year. There's no "deserve" when you're getting paid millions of dollars to produce. I don't get all this "he deserves the chance to turn it around" talk. Why? It's not like he's doing us a favor. We're paying him $4 million.
I think a lot of people forget the coaches are paid HUGE amounts of money to do their jobs. Many act like we owe the coaches (and the players now that they are all paid) some sort of patience when it comes to performing and doing the jobs they are paid to do. I've never had a job where I thought I could be terrible at it and not do what my employer paid me to do and expect my employer to have the attitude of "well, he needs a few more years to really get things turned around and then he'll be doing the job we pay him to do".

I guess some people view Paris like they view the high school PE teacher who also coaches the boys basketball team for a small stipend. Those people need to realize that is not the case at all.
 
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For the "close loss" crowd, we had 6 conference wins last year by 5 or fewer points.
 

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I think a lot of people forget the coaches are paid HUGE amounts of money to do their jobs. Many act like we owe the coaches (and the players now that they are all paid) some sort of patience when it comes to performing and doing the jobs they are paid to do. I've never had a job where I thought I could be terrible at it and not do what my employer paid me to do and expect my employer to have the attitude of "well, he needs a few more years to really get things turned around and then he'll be doing the job we pay him to do".

I guess some people view Paris like they view the high school PE teacher who also coaches the boys basketball team for a small stipend. Those people need to realize that is not the case at all.
You are right. We should have fired Lou Holtz and others after one season. Same with Coach K. at Duke. The nerve to give them more than a couple seasons when they weren't producing! With the money they they were making, they should have been gone. I'm on board. Fire Paris. Fire every coach after a losing season. This will prove to all that we mean business.


This is certainly a road map to national prominence in basketball.
 

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You are right. We should have fired Lou Holtz and others after one season.

Is this Paris' first season?

Anyway, the point is, we don't OWE it to him to bring him back next year. We've paid him $4 million this year to do a job that he has failed at. He's not coaching out of the goodness of his heart.
 

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You are right. We should have fired Lou Holtz and others after one season. Same with Coach K. at Duke. The nerve to give them more than a couple seasons when they weren't producing! With the money they they were making, they should have been gone. I'm on board. Fire Paris. Fire every coach after a losing season. This will prove to all that we mean business.


This is certainly a road map to national prominence in basketball.

This isn't Paris' first season. You may not be aware of that. Also, we gave Paris a tremendous raise after last season (also not his first season). I guess it is unreasonable to expect him to be competent at the job we gave him a raise for? Maybe another raise is needed to get him to do the job he is being paid to do?
 
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Is this Paris' first season?
Anyway, the point is, we don't OWE it to him to bring him back next year. We've paid him $4 million this year to do a job that he has failed at. He's not coaching out of the goodness of his heart.
Agreed. Fire Paris. We are on the same page. Research how Coach K did in his first three years. They should have fired him also. If only Duke would have had the foresight to let him go. Idiots up at Duke.

We need to convey the secret sauce to our AD.
 

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This isn't Paris' first season. You may not be aware of that. Also, we gave Paris a tremendous raise after last season (also not his first season). I guess it is unreasonable to expect him to be competent at the job we gave him a raise for? Maybe another raise is needed to get him to do the job he is being paid to do?
We agree. We should have fired him after one season. The writing was on the wall. Why wait? We have many hot coaches lined-up to take us to the dance.
 
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Agreed. Fire Paris. We are on the same page. Research how Coach K did in his first three years. They should have fired him also. If only Duke would have had the foresight to let him go. Idiots up at Duke.

We need to convey the secret sauce to our AD.

Paris is on pace for a season far worse than Coach K's worst at Duke. Coach K's worst conference season was 3-11, which equates to 5-13 for an 18-game schedule. 5-13 would still be a failure on the heels of last season, but it would not be an unmitigated dumpster fire like we now have.

If Paris can scratch out 5 wins by the end of the season, I'll change my perspective.
 

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Paris is on pace for a season far worse than Coach K's worst at Duke. Coach K's worst conference season was 3-11, which equates to 5-13 for an 18-game schedule. 5-13 would still be a failure on the heels of last season, but it would not be an unmitigated dumpster fire like we now have.

If Paris can scratch out 5 wins by the end of the season, I'll change my perspective.
Agreed. They both should have been fired. Let's not evaluate on the totality of three years. Let's use their worst season, and fire them based on that season. Makes sense and I'm 100% on board.

Adding more ingredients to your secret sause!
 

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Agreed. They both should have been fired. Let's not evaluate on the totality of three years. Let's use their worst season, and fire them based on that season. Makes sense and I'm 100% on board.

Adding more ingredients to your secret sause!
Good, I am glad you have come around in your thinking.
 

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I’ve honestly given up on trying to figure out what constitutes a foul, blocking call and carrying anymore - watched the OM guards carry the ball numerous times and also take five to six steps with no traveling calls being made
The traveling was unreal. I saw four occasions where they stopped their dribble. And didn’t pass or shoot, but took two more steps.
 
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The traveling was unreal. I saw four occasions where they stopped their dribble. And didn’t pass or shoot, but took two more steps.
I've avoided posting about this because the peanut gallery gets prissy. there was one late second half where the guy actually held the ball with both hands for an instant and then dribbled again. Of course he then drove and got fouled for a three point play.
 
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The officials appear to me to be getting tight (as in not loose and comfortable) in the last third of games lately. I'm 71, been watching a long time and have done some officiating myself; its weird.
 
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I've avoided posting about this because the peanut gallery gets prissy. there was one late second half where the guy actually held the ball with both hands for an instant and then dribbled again. Of course he then drove and got fouled for a three point play.
I know what u mean. I’m thinking we struggle enough. We sure don’t need the referees to just piss on us. But it seems like they do cause less space they want as many SEC teams in the tournament as possible because it helps them get a raise. In close games we always have these fans that say referees don’t affect the game. I laugh at that.

But also missing 10 free throws is our ultimate doing in. The referees just helped. And please no one respond to my post stating we shot more foul shots. We should’ve actually shot twice as many. And they should’ve had 10 more turnovers.
 
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I know what u mean. I’m thinking we struggle enough. We sure don’t need the referees to just piss on us. But it seems like they do cause less space they want as many SEC teams in the tournament as possible because it helps them get a raise. In close games we always have these fans that say referees don’t affect the game. I laugh at that.

But also missing 10 free throws is our ultimate doing in. The referees just helped. And please no one respond to my post stating we shot more foul shots. We should’ve actually shot twice as many. And they should’ve had 10 more turnovers.
Haven’t thought of that aspect, I guess I just assume people to be on the up and up, officials included.

Bingo on free throws.