MC goes from back to back champs to 4-5 in 4 years

chitown-irish

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lots of reasons but the main one is the spread offense.if teams get an early 2 score lead it is hard to come back running the veer.
 

feeto

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Nope....... It's way deeper than that. Everyone has run the spread for 15 years. Never had a problem before. What's missing from MC that was there before? I really don't know, but it's not good.
 

pjjp

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Nope....... It's way deeper than that. Everyone has run the spread for 15 years. Never had a problem before. What's missing from MC that was there before? I really don't know, but it's not good.
They scored 6 points against a Provi defense that has not stopped any good teams. Do kids want to go to MC to run the split-back veer? Are they not getting the talent they once did? Would kids in the area prefer Marist or Rice's offensive approach?
 

feeto

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It's not a lack of talent. This group was recruited during our back to back championships. Kids want to win, therefore they want to go to MC. Plenty of talent.
 
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chitown-irish

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Nope....... It's way deeper than that. Everyone has run the spread for 15 years. Never had a problem before. What's missing from MC that was there before? I really don't know, but it's not good.
15 years? Name 1 ccl blue team that has run the spread for 15 years.
 

feeto

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Never said CCL Blue. Most high-school offenses has had a spread forum 15 years or more. Marist for one.
 

chitown-irish

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Well that's who their opponents are is the ccl blue. And most of those teams started running the spread in the last 5 years. Also dunne got hired at marist in 08 so they have not been running the spread for 15 years.
 

Cross Bones

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They are so stubbornly opposed to dealing with modern day offense from both sides of the ball its absolutely maddening. Yes they've won in the last few years, great talent can sometimes overcome strategy.

Their defensive struggles are quite self-apparent at the varsity level. Offensively? Look no further than the sophomore game. They stick with the strict veer and go with their "system" QB through 3 quarters and manage a whopping 6 points in a losing effort. Backs against the wall, the coaches finally go with their stud transfer QB from a spread offense who can run and throw, and after sitting cold on the bench for 3 quarters he takes them 70 yards in the final 57 seconds and gets them the win on the final offensive play of the game with 3 seconds left, and yet the coaching staff gets credit for a victory over a rival.

Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth....
Lyons had a great season... maybe he goes back home?
 

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My. Carmel played Loyola and Rice to a TD loss each. The Rice game was well played at least offensively and they didn't quit and made a game of it against Loyola. To say they have nothing to build on is outrageous. Lenti is evolving as they have the unique ability to run a veer spread like they did against Rice. Most creative and eff Croce offense I've seen. Rice gets maligned by their defense bit they held Marist to 7 and Montini to 7 in game that involved a running clock.
 
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Nope....... It's way deeper than that. Everyone has run the spread for 15 years. Never had a problem before. What's missing from MC that was there before? I really don't know, but it's not good.
Feeto ? You don't know?
Spead has been ran for 15yrs
What are you talking about?
 

pjjp

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Reading this thread about MC makes me think there are a number of parallels with JCA. MC has had more recent success than JCA, but both head coaches seem stubbornly resistant to change. They both run archaic offenses. Have to wonder if the approaches of both are starting to negatively affect both programs. There are less and less kids playing football, so the pool of available players is shrinking. And the kids that are playing youth football are for the most part playing in spread offenses. Have to believe there are many kids in youth leagues who do not want to play in the double-wing or veer offenses in high school. It's also no coincidence that both schools struggle to defend the pass.

Coaching is like any other profession. If you are resistant to change and don't adapt to the latest developments in your field, others pass you by. Although, I do suspect the game has passed Sharp by to a greater degree than Lenti. Sharp is truly a coaching dinosaur.
 

chitown-irish

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Reading this thread about MC makes me think there are a number of parallels with JCA. MC has had more recent success than JCA, but both head coaches seem stubbornly resistant to change. They both run archaic offenses. Have to wonder if the approaches of both are starting to negatively affect both programs. There are less and less kids playing football, so the pool of available players is shrinking. And the kids that are playing youth football are for the most part playing in spread offenses. Have to believe there are many kids in youth leagues who do not want to play in the double-wing or veer offenses in high school. It's also no coincidence that both schools struggle to defend the pass.

Coaching is like any other profession. If you are resistant to change and don't adapt to the latest developments in your field, others pass you by. Although, I do suspect the game has passed Sharp by to a greater degree than Lenti. Sharp is truly a coaching dinosaur.
Their offenses both still work in the playoffs because they are hard offenses to prepare for in just one week. But the teams they play every year they have less success against. Especially now that those teams have more modern offenses.
 

chitown-irish

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Reading this thread about MC makes me think there are a number of parallels with JCA. MC has had more recent success than JCA, but both head coaches seem stubbornly resistant to change. They both run archaic offenses. Have to wonder if the approaches of both are starting to negatively affect both programs. There are less and less kids playing football, so the pool of available players is shrinking. And the kids that are playing youth football are for the most part playing in spread offenses. Have to believe there are many kids in youth leagues who do not want to play in the double-wing or veer offenses in high school. It's also no coincidence that both schools struggle to defend the pass.

Coaching is like any other profession. If you are resistant to change and don't adapt to the latest developments in your field, others pass you by. Although, I do suspect the game has passed Sharp by to a greater degree than Lenti. Sharp is truly a coaching dinosaur.
Their offenses both still work in the playoffs because they are hard offenses to prepare for in just one week. But the teams they play every year they have less success against. Especially now that those teams have more modern offenses.
 

USD24

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Reading this thread about MC makes me think there are a number of parallels with JCA. MC has had more recent success than JCA, but both head coaches seem stubbornly resistant to change. They both run archaic offenses. Have to wonder if the approaches of both are starting to negatively affect both programs. There are less and less kids playing football, so the pool of available players is shrinking. And the kids that are playing youth football are for the most part playing in spread offenses. Have to believe there are many kids in youth leagues who do not want to play in the double-wing or veer offenses in high school. It's also no coincidence that both schools struggle to defend the pass.

Coaching is like any other profession. If you are resistant to change and don't adapt to the latest developments in your field, others pass you by. Although, I do suspect the game has passed Sharp by to a greater degree than Lenti. Sharp is truly a coaching dinosaur.
Ur an ***
 

Cat Box

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Reading this thread about MC makes me think there are a number of parallels with JCA. MC has had more recent success than JCA, but both head coaches seem stubbornly resistant to change. They both run archaic offenses. Have to wonder if the approaches of both are starting to negatively affect both programs. There are less and less kids playing football, so the pool of available players is shrinking. And the kids that are playing youth football are for the most part playing in spread offenses. Have to believe there are many kids in youth leagues who do not want to play in the double-wing or veer offenses in high school. It's also no coincidence that both schools struggle to defend the pass.

Coaching is like any other profession. If you are resistant to change and don't adapt to the latest developments in your field, others pass you by. Although, I do suspect the game has passed Sharp by to a greater degree than Lenti. Sharp is truly a coaching dinosaur.

May I suggest, it works both ways. Run heavy teams have a difficult time defending the spread. Spread teams have a difficult time defending the run. Case in point is AC. They post great results in summer 7-on-7s, but their program is so pass-centric, run defense is not in their DNA. A balanced offense is key and the ability to defend both the run and pass is imperative in any program.

100% agree with your observation that "coaching is like any profession". Gotta change and adapt to stay competitive.
 

Cat Box

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Never said CCL Blue. Most high-school offenses has had a spread forum 15 years or more. Marist for one.

Feeto - I hear what you are saying. Sometimes programs simply have down years. AC won back-to-back 3A titles in 2011-2012 and almost 3-peated in 2013. We went 4-5 last year and 2-7 this year. Still running the spread.

MC going 0-4 in CCL Blue will force the coaches to re-examine everything in the off season. Everything. Good coaches do that. I expect the same at AC and JCA and anywhere the results are historically off. The winning traditions run too deep. They will all bounce back.

Can't win all the time. Can't appreciate wins without tasting losses. Ensures humility and perspective. Develops character. Makes you hungry.