McNutt out?

[Cidhawkeye]

The toxicity in the community was so thick, that Beth didn't have a choice but to fire BF.

But that toxicity from fans was completely unfounded. Notice it wasn't the head coach making the firing. That's because he knew BF had little to do with what stalled out the offense (the broken o-line).

You can't put a pile of injuries on KF or BF.

Read better what I said about lost recruits. It's well-known that Alt switched to Notre Dame after Doyle was lost. Ok, one can reach, and put that on KF, for "lack of institutional control." But most that know the specifics, find the racial claims to be nothing but a money-grab by opportunists in what, at the time, was a sensitive social climate.

And yes, Iowa had a recruiting period to "replace" Alt. Turns out they weren't able to find someone good enough to start as a true freshman.

But even if you want to fully fault KF for "lack of institutional control", that makes up one lost transfer and one lost recruit, both attributed to the loss of Doyle. That's only two of EIGHT players. That line still would have been in a lot of trouble.

It's the totality of all the loss that was the problem. And very little of that was on the staff.

Are you going to blame the staff for Linderbaum leaving early? Sure, you want to be a program strong enough to be able to reload. But Iowa will never have a surplus of talent. And a loss like Linderbaum really accentuates a decimated room.

Are you going to blame a highly rated player deciding to quit the game on KF? That would be silly, considering KF's track record of getting high character guys that love the game.

Are you going to blame Proctor flipping on the staff? He would have started on the '23 team. And it's pretty well understood that Bama gave him a bag of money. The line had already been broken for a season. But Proctor certainly would have helped in '23. As it turned out again, Iowa was not able to replace him with a true freshman that was good enough to start.

And I never attributed anything to being BF's "dad's fault". I said prolonged "issues" would be more rightfully attributed to KF than BF. That doesn't mean they existed, or were accurately part of the narratives. Read better.

Simply, the BF narrative wouldn't exist at its current level, without '22 and '23. And the difference making factors that made those offenses broken, had very little to do with BF.

Amazingly enough, they didn't have much to do with hall of fame coach, and one of the best o-line minds in history, either. First, you have to be incredibly butthurt and/or ignorant to believe that. Even without information about why the offense was broken, those with a clue would know that something drastic, outside of KF's control must have happened. They would refuse to put it on KF without seeing the evidence. And what do you know, as soon as the specifics were investigated, it would have been blatantly obvious that what stalled out the offense had very little to do with the staff.

People just have to get past their butthurt and/or educate themselves enough to see a truth that should be blatantly obvious

Repitition still doesn’t make it true. Now it’s the toxicity in the community. Someone was responsible for a historically bad offense and got fired. It’s kind of what happens when you take a leadership position. Statistics and facts on one side, on the other side is you……. Are you a Penn State fan? You have their deny, deflect, diminish and distract playbook down to a t.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Repitition still doesn’t make it true. Now it’s the toxicity in the community. Someone was responsible for a historically bad offense and got fired. It’s kind of what happens when you take a leadership position. Statistics and facts on one side, on the other side is you……. Are you a Penn State fan? You have their deny, deflect, diminish and distract playbook down to a t.

No, there actually wasn't someone to pin the blame on for what primarily led to a historically bad offense, in the way fans try to portray. That's the whole point.

Turns out, what primarily contributed to that, was a confluence of bad luck factors, whether you want to accept it or not.

If you want to criticize BF's first 5 offenses, that's one thing. But that isn't how fans have portrayed it.

Fans are insisting to put blame on someone for something that there really is no one to blame.

And KF has told us that no one is to blame for what happened to the line. He was straightforward with us about the condition of the line all the way along, for those who bothered to listen. In '22, told us that the line was going to have to be rebuilt brick-by-brick. Told us not to expect a quick fix. In '23 KF told us the line would be able to take some growth steps, but that it still had a long way to go. Then after '23, and before Lester was hired, KF told us to expect a significant improvement in the '24 offense, as he expected the o-line to be in a good place.

Again, how do you think most of the same guys from a couple of the worst O-lines ever, develop into NFL players, highly rated college players, and a Joe Moore winning line? Do think perhaps they started playing before they were physically strong enough to get the job done? Why do think players lift weights? Why do think football teams put their biggest and strongest players on the line of scrimmage? This isn't complicated.

Those players were forced into early action because of massive attrition. I don't see where you can blame that much attrition, primarily made up of injuries, on any member of the coaching staff.

But you guys go ahead and continue to believe that one of the most consistently successful coaches of all-time, over a period of decades, and who happens to also be one of the best o-line coaches of all-time, all of the sudden just forgot what he was doing, and fielded a couple of the worst O-lines in history.

I'm laughing just a writing that. It's completely absurd to believe that even to be possible. Then the fact that there's a very straightforward paper trail that leads to the players' physical weight and lifting scores, and it's nearly inexplicable how these narratives still exist. Only sports fans.

Then of course, KF remembered what the hell he was doing, in '24, at the exact same time those players' physical weights and lifting scores increased to the point where they were able to have a chance to gel as a line. Just amazing coincidence

 

[Cidhawkeye]

No, there actually wasn't someone to pin the blame on for what primarily led to a historically bad offense, in the way fans try to portray. That's the whole point.

Turns out, what primarily contributed to that, was a confluence of bad luck factors, whether you want to accept it or not.

If you want to criticize BF's first 5 offenses, that's one thing. But that isn't how fans have portrayed it.

Fans are insisting to put blame on someone for something that there really is no one to blame.

And KF has told us that no one is to blame for what happened to the line. He was straightforward with us about the condition of the line all the way along, for those who bothered to listen. In '22, told us that the line was going to have to be rebuilt brick-by-brick. Told us not to expect a quick fix. In '23 KF told us the line would be able to take some growth steps, but that it still had a long way to go. Then after '23, and before Lester was hired, KF told us to expect a significant improvement in the '24 offense, as he expected the o-line to be in a good place.

Again, how do you think most of the same guys from a couple of the worst O-lines ever, develop into NFL players, highly rated college players, and a Joe Moore winning line? Do think perhaps they started playing before they were physically strong enough to get the job done? Why do think players lift weights? Why do think football teams put their biggest and strongest players on the line of scrimmage? This isn't complicated.

Those players were forced into early action because of massive attrition. I don't see where you can blame that much attrition, primarily made up of injuries, on any member of the coaching staff.

But you guys go ahead and continue to believe that one of the most consistently successful coaches of all-time, over a period of decades, and who happens to also be one of the best o-line coaches of all-time, all of the sudden just forgot what he was doing, and fielded a couple of the worst O-lines in history.

I'm laughing just a writing that. It's completely absurd to believe that even to be possible. Then the fact that there's a very straightforward paper trail that leads to the players' physical weight and lifting scores, and it's nearly inexplicable how these narratives still exist. Only sports fans.

Then of course, KF remembered what the hell he was doing, in '24, at the exact same time those players' physical weights and lifting scores increased to the point where they were able to have a chance to gel as a line. Just amazing coincidence

A HC not wanting to pin blame on his son. Gee, who had that on their bingo card. Ultimately there were numbers to measure the that offense and someone took responsibility with their job.
Since it was all just bad luck and bad circumstances it truly was just unfortunate that they held anyone accountable. Definitely had nothing to do with the person in charge of the unit.

 

[eyesofhawk]

A HC not wanting to pin blame on his son. Gee, who had that on their bingo card. Ultimately there were numbers to measure the that offense and someone took responsibility with their job.
Since it was all just bad luck and bad circumstances it truly was just unfortunate that they held anyone accountable. Definitely had nothing to do with the person in charge of the unit.

I feel sorry for you that you even implied the nepotism thing. Just pathetic.

Again, BF had to be fired at that point because of public perception. Beth knew that much. Maybe she even had "football reasoning". But if so, she got it by listening to the wrong people.

Because again, believe it or not, the expert of what was actually happening on his own team was KF. And KF didn't see a reason to fire BF.

So essentially, you're saying someone on staff was responsible for massive attrition, made up mostly of injuries? Is that your position?

 

[Cidhawkeye]

I feel sorry for you that you even implied the nepotism thing. Just pathetic.

Again, BF had to be fired at that point because of public perception. Beth knew that much. Maybe she even had "football reasoning". But if so, she got it by listening to the wrong people.

Because again, believe it or not, the expert of what was actually happening on his own team was KF. And KF didn't see a reason to fire BF.

So essentially, you're saying someone on staff was responsible for massive attrition, made up mostly of injuries? Is that your position?

Your position just gets even weaker. Are you new to KF and Iowa football? Even when KF has let people go he doesn't blast them or publicly say negative things about them. You then expect him to put the blame on his son? Denial on your part? Check
That it wasn't football based and it was only public perception?
Deflection? Check
If you think public perception is going to drive the decision making.......
Delusional? Check

What I am saying is the following - the OC is in charge of the offense, the offense was historically bad, the OC got fired. These are the facts as they are presented and they are irrefutible
Keep trying to spin your magic. You continue to do a very poor impersonation of Joe's Place.
As soon as you present some facts.....well never mind, you seem incapable of doing other than making excuses.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Your position just gets even weaker. Are you new to KF and Iowa football? Even when KF has let people go he doesn't blast them or publicly say negative things about them. You then expect him to put the blame on his son? Denial on your part? Check
That it wasn't football based and it was only public perception?
Deflection? Check
If you think public perception is going to drive the decision making.......
Delusional? Check

What I am saying is the following - the OC is in charge of the offense, the offense was historically bad, the OC got fired. These are the facts as they are presented and they are irrefutible
Keep trying to spin your magic. You continue to do a very poor impersonation of Joe's Place.
As soon as you present some facts.....well never mind, you seem incapable of doing other than making excuses.

Everything I have presented is fact as well, and at a much more detailed level.

I don't care what the reasoning was for firing BF. If "football reasoning" was used, again, it wasn't the correct reasoning, as the expert of the specifics of his team was KF, and KF hadn't found "football reasoning" to make the firing himself.

There's no way anyone could have made a more informed decision than him. And it also so happened that KF was in the midst of his winningest stretch at Iowa, with BF as OC. Other than not firing BF to alleviate toxicity in the community (which I believe would have been the correct decision), the only way KF could have possibly misjudged the situation is by way of nepotism. And I just don't believe that garbage for a second.

I don't know where I ever said anything about KF refraining from throwing BF under the buss. I merely cited the fact that KF has said no one was at fault for the attrition at o-line.

I hear your position. You've said the same thing over and over. So, I again ask a simple question. Who is to blame for the attrition at o-line?

 

[Cidhawkeye]

Everything I have presented is fact as well, and at a much more detailed level.

I don't care what the reasoning was for firing BF. If "football reasoning" was used, again, it wasn't the correct reasoning, as the expert of the specifics of his team was KF, and KF hadn't found "football reasoning" to make the firing himself.

There's no way anyone could have made a more informed decision than him. And it also so happened that KF was in the midst of his winningest stretch at Iowa, with BF as OC. Other than not firing BF to alleviate toxicity in the community (which I believe would have been the correct decision), the only way KF could have possibly misjudged the situation is by way of nepotism. And I just don't believe that garbage for a second.

I don't know where I ever said anything about KF refraining from throwing BF under the buss. I merely cited the fact that KF has said no one was at fault for the attrition at o-line.

I hear your position. You've said the same thing over and over. So, I again ask a simple question. Who is to blame for the attrition at o-line?

Too many words on this.

My position - Based on actual facts
Your position - Based on speculation, opinions, deflection and denial

Quick take - KF not blaming BF isn't nepotism, it is who KF is. If he didn't rip Kackcynski on his way out he won't rip anyone.
Attrition on the O-line? responsibility of the OC. Big reason he got canned

 

[hawksfan2025]

No, there actually wasn't someone to pin the blame on for what primarily led to a historically bad offense, in the way fans try to portray. That's the whole point.

Turns out, what primarily contributed to that, was a confluence of bad luck factors, whether you want to accept it or not.

If you want to criticize BF's first 5 offenses, that's one thing. But that isn't how fans have portrayed it.

Fans are insisting to put blame on someone for something that there really is no one to blame.

And KF has told us that no one is to blame for what happened to the line. He was straightforward with us about the condition of the line all the way along, for those who bothered to listen. In '22, told us that the line was going to have to be rebuilt brick-by-brick. Told us not to expect a quick fix. In '23 KF told us the line would be able to take some growth steps, but that it still had a long way to go. Then after '23, and before Lester was hired, KF told us to expect a significant improvement in the '24 offense, as he expected the o-line to be in a good place.

Again, how do you think most of the same guys from a couple of the worst O-lines ever, develop into NFL players, highly rated college players, and a Joe Moore winning line? Do think perhaps they started playing before they were physically strong enough to get the job done? Why do think players lift weights? Why do think football teams put their biggest and strongest players on the line of scrimmage? This isn't complicated.

Those players were forced into early action because of massive attrition. I don't see where you can blame that much attrition, primarily made up of injuries, on any member of the coaching staff.

But you guys go ahead and continue to believe that one of the most consistently successful coaches of all-time, over a period of decades, and who happens to also be one of the best o-line coaches of all-time, all of the sudden just forgot what he was doing, and fielded a couple of the worst O-lines in history.

I'm laughing just a writing that. It's completely absurd to believe that even to be possible. Then the fact that there's a very straightforward paper trail that leads to the players' physical weight and lifting scores, and it's nearly inexplicable how these narratives still exist. Only sports fans.

Then of course, KF remembered what the hell he was doing, in '24, at the exact same time those players' physical weights and lifting scores increased to the point where they were able to have a chance to gel as a line. Just amazing coincidence

This is you trying to explain how nothing is KF or BF's fault:

 

[Athena45]

This is you trying to explain how nothing is KF or BF's fault:

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Thought this thread was about mcnutt. Had enough about bf.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Too many words on this.

My position - Based on actual facts
Your position - Based on speculation, opinions, deflection and denial

Quick take - KF not blaming BF isn't nepotism, it is who KF is. If he didn't rip Kackcynski on his way out he won't rip anyone.
Attrition on the O-line? responsibility of the OC. Big reason he got canned

No. Again, my position is based on far many more facts than you have provided.

And BF getting canned doesn't prove anything. People are wrongfully fired and hired all the time.

I never said anything about KF assigning blame to someone on the way out. I said KF was the most informed person about what was happening on his football team. In his estimation, he hadn't seen a reason to fire BF. So, the only way the most expert football reasoning Beth could have received was wrong, would be have been by way of nepotism.

As for his comments that no one was to blame for the o-line attrition, he simply told it as it was.

So I ask you, how in the hell BF was to blame for the attrition at o-line? Yes, I get that it happened on his watch. That's not what I'm asking. It happened on KF's watch too. And his watch is a grandfather clock.

Again, if you're looking to assign blame to someone for the attrition, given the Doyle element to it, I would think one would look towards KF for that blame assignment.

What you say about responsibility falling on those in charge has its merit. But it's run its course and you don't seem to have anything else to go to. So was KF to blame for Covid happening on his watch? Have you ever had what simply amounts to bad luck or bad timing go against you in the workplace, or in life in general? Would you want people holding that bad luck against you, and judging you by it years later? After all, it happened on your watch.

Fact is, a different perspective has been presented than the one you are desperately clinging to. And it has been thoroughly supported with accurate information and sound reasoning.

So, explain to me specifically how BF is to blame for the attrition to the o-line

 

[83Hawk]

A HC not wanting to pin blame on his son. Gee, who had that on their bingo card. Ultimately there were numbers to measure the that offense and someone took responsibility with their job.
Since it was all just bad luck and bad circumstances it truly was just unfortunate that they held anyone accountable. Definitely had nothing to do with the person in charge of the unit.

For a guy who said:

“I'm not defending BF as an OC.”

He sure spends a lot of time, energy, and words doing just that. (He’ll deny it of course, but his posts say otherwise. And yes, we can read.)

 

[eyesofhawk]

For a guy who said:

“I'm not defending BF as an OC.”

He sure spends a lot of time, energy, and words doing just that. (He’ll deny it of course, but his posts say otherwise. And yes, we can read.)

Read better

 

[eyesofhawk]

Thought this thread was about mcnutt. Had enough about bf.

It's not about BF. It's about fans