"Mediocre Negroes"

[WVPATX]

Obama was a very good politician that got voters to turn out in record numbers. AND IM NOT SAYING ITS TRUE, IM SAYING SOME SEE IT AS TRUE. People that know a little more about white racism towards minorities than I do.

Again, if you believe America is racist, you will see it everywhere and in every situation. And the fact that someone who is black sees an incident as racist and another person who is white sees the same incident as non-racist does not automatically make the white person incorrect.

And Obama got many whites to vote for him, in fact, in record numbers if I remember correctly. Does America still have racists? Of course. Is America a racist country, no way.

 

[Boomboom521]

Rebuttal

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/06/what-did-lee-atwater-really-say.php

I've read that article before.

But just like there wasn't a racial component in Trumps campaign. Yet he was supported by white nationalists....why? No I don't think Trump is racist, I'm saying that interview speaks to the non overt currents of racist / economic attitudes of voters in the south, and those economic attitudes are seen as racist by many. Think about it like someone paranoid of being robbed by someone, not because there is reason to suspect them but because they were robbed before and terrified it will happen again.

 

[WVPATX]

I've read that article before.

But just like there wasn't a racial component in Trumps campaign. Yet he was supported by white nationalists....why? No I don't think Trump is racist, I'm saying that interview speaks to the non overt currents of racist / economic attitudes of voters in the south, and those economic attitudes are seen as racist by many. Think about it like someone paranoid of being robbed by someone, not because there is reason to suspect them but because they were robbed before and terrified it will happen again.

I completely understand the point you make, but that doesn't make it right. As I stated, Obama got lots of votes from racists and targeted those groups but that does not make him or his campaign racist. He got La Raza votes. He got Nation of Islam votes. He got CAIR votes. He targeted those minority groups. This election strategy goes both ways and is not racist. I'm sure Obama would disavow any member of that group that makes racist comments.

 

[Boomboom521]

Again, if you believe America is racist, you will see it everywhere and in every situation. And the fact that someone who is black sees an incident as racist and another person who is white sees the same incident as non-racist does not automatically make the white person incorrect.

And Obama got many whites to vote for him, in fact, in record numbers if I remember correctly. Does America still have racists? Of course. Is America a racist country, no way.

I never said America is a racist country...the opposite in my mind actually. But you can't deny that racism was prevalent in the highest levels of government for most of our existence (didn't you post something yesterday about LBJ?).

 

[bornaneer]

I never said America is a racist country...the opposite in my mind actually. But you can't deny that racism was prevalent in the highest levels of government for most of our existence (didn't you post something yesterday about LBJ?).

You are implying that Trump voters are racists. Sorry ...I was off the board for a bit.....I had to vacuum the basement.....Have you got you chores done yet?

 

[WVPATX]

I never said America is a racist country...the opposite in my mind actually. But you can't deny that racism was prevalent in the highest levels of government for most of our existence (didn't you post something yesterday about LBJ?).

It was but you are looking in the past. History is important as a learning tool but life changes, society changes, people change. Robert Boyd was a KKK leader. But he changed. Focus on the present and the future. Nothing can be changed about the past.

Racism was a much, much bigger problem in the 1800's. But hundreds of thousands died to make it better. It was much bigger in the 60's. Then as we have grown as a society, racism has greatly lessened. But many are still wed to the past and see racism everywhere. That attitude won't allow them to see things as they really are.

 

[Boomboom521]

I completely understand the point you make, but that doesn't make it right. As I stated, Obama got lots of votes from racists and targeted those groups but that does not make him or his campaign racist. He got La Raza votes. He got Nation of Islam votes. He got CAIR votes. He targeted those minority groups. This election strategy goes both ways and is not racist. I'm sure Obama would disavow any member of that group that makes racist comments.

Again, this is where my personal bias comes into play. I argued that being Appalachian is practically a race in a graduate course, because once I say I'm from WV to people outside the state...I am automatically categorized with certain traits that people attribute to people from the region (I'm racist, my IQ drops about 50 points at least, and I'm ignorant of culture). If I experience this, I can't imagine the conversations African American fathers and mothers have had to have with their children through the generations. Irrelevant? Maybe, but

It was but you are looking in the past. History is important as a learning tool but life changes, society changes, people change. Robert Boyd was a KKK leader. But he changed. Focus on the present and the future. Nothing can be changed about the past.

Racism was a much, much bigger problem in the 1800's. But hundreds of thousands died to make it better. It was much bigger in the 60's. Then as we have grown as a society, racism has greatly lessened. But many are still wed to the past and see racism everywhere. That attitude won't allow them to see things as they really are.

i agree, but I'm not talking about where IM looking. I'm discussing the viewpoint of men and women that were raised to be skeptical of authority and government and business and neighbors and anyone that don't look like them. Takes a while to break that train of thought.....it took a while for whites too didn't it?

 

[TarHeelEer]

I'm from WV to people outside the state...I am automatically categorized with certain traits that people attribute to people from the region (I'm racist, my IQ drops about 50 points at least, and I'm ignorant of culture).

Tell someone from "the city"(NYC) you're from the south anywhere, and you get the same.

 

[WVPATX]

Again, this is where my personal bias comes into play. I argued that being Appalachian is practically a race in a graduate course, because once I say I'm from WV to people outside the state...I am automatically categorized with certain traits that people attribute to people from the region (I'm racist, my IQ drops about 50 points at least, and I'm ignorant of culture). If I experience this, I can't imagine the conversations African American fathers and mothers have had to have with their children through the generations. Irrelevant? Maybe, but

i agree, but I'm not talking about where IM looking. I'm discussing the viewpoint of men and women that were raised to be skeptical of authority and government and business and neighbors and anyone that don't look like them. Takes a while to break that train of thought.....it took a while for whites too didn't it?

As I've said, if you are always looking the past, always looking for racism, you'll find it whether it is there or not. And we are seeing a lot of today.

maybe I have been fortunate, but I have never experienced what you have experienced and I to and from West Virginia. I was judge based on my performance and merit just like everyone else. There are natural robberies since I lived in Pittsburgh, but I did not experience over at condescension. Although I am sure that happens

 

[Boomboom521]

As I've said, if you are always looking the past, always looking for racism, you'll find it whether it is there or not. And we are seeing a lot of today.

maybe I have been fortunate, but I have never experienced what you have experienced and I to and from West Virginia. I was judge based on my performance and merit just like everyone else. There are natural robberies since I lived in Pittsburgh, but I did not experience over at condescension. Although I am sure that happens

How are you judged by merit? After the fact. Prejudice is exactly that....people are pre judged.

 

[WVPATX]

How are you judged by merit? After the fact. Prejudice is exactly that....people are pre judged.

Merit is based upon performance. How we perform on the job. Merit is based on observation both personal and professional. Merit is based upon a judgment of one's individual characteristics, morals, values etc.
I think the vast majority of people are fair And try to do the right thing

 

[Boomboom521]

Merit is based upon performance. How we perform on the job. Merit is based on observation both personal and professional. Merit is based upon a judgment of one's individual characteristics, morals, values etc.
I think the vast majority of people are fair And try to do the right thing

It was a rhetorical question, one can only be judged by merit IF they are given the opportunity to perform. But prejudice prevents the opportunity.

 

[atlkvb]

I get that, I do. I think people from WV understand this more than many areas in the US. There are arguments for a systemic problem still affecting public schools among other avenues to success. I most certainly think the aggressiveness is not needed, and I think incendiary language is just counterproductive. But my skin color doesn't allow me an accurate vision of the problem today.

Well mine (skin color) sure does and I can speak to it for you boomer. I call it rank hypocrisy on the Left. The saddest thing about that ugly charge if it weren't so totally funny is that I get called a "racist" and I'm Black!

So it really has nothing to do with the color of my skin as much as my ideology and how I think. That's really all it ever is on the Left...their political agenda and ideology not so much designed to correct any perceived or real past injustices to me as a Black person, but to make sure my race can be effectively wielded by the Left to beat White people into guilt and ultimately submission into Leftist Statist control and massive income redistribution schemes.

Obama's race was used & effectively promoted by the Media for the same purpose. Criticize him about his ideology (which I often did) and you're called a "racist" no matter what color of your skin.

Again I was often called a "racist" which being Black myself I'd think is a pretty handy trick indeed...but to the racist White or Black Left wing who call names to anyone who disagrees with them, it's an easy feat for me to pull off.

 

[WVPATX]

It was a rhetorical question, one can only be judged by merit IF they are given the opportunity to perform. But prejudice prevents the opportunity.

I think you are living in the past at least based on my experiences . At our company we desperately sought minority candidates with good not great qualifications. I get the feeling that you think that this country is racist and I believe that by and large this country is very good.

One other point, if you grew up believing this country is racist and you apply for a job and don't get it, chances are you were going to blame racism even if racism did not exist.

 

[Boomboom521]

I think you are living in the past at least based on my experiences . At our company we desperately sought minority candidates with good not great qualifications. I get the feeling that you think that this country is racist and I believe that by and large this country is very good.

One other point, if you grew up believing this country is racist and you apply for a job and don't get it, chances are you were going to blame racism even if racism did not exist.

Again, I'm not speaking to the world I see. I'm trying to understand the perspective that you deem as ridiculous. It's not. Wrong? Maybe. Dated? Sure. Counterproductive? Probably. But it's not ridiculous, and it's rooted in a real history and an anger that deserves a voice.

 

[WVPATX]

Again, I'm not speaking to the world I see. I'm trying to understand the perspective that you deem as ridiculous. It's not. Wrong? Maybe. Dated? Sure. Counterproductive? Probably. But it's not ridiculous, and it's rooted in a real history and an anger that deserves a voice.

Boom, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said ridiculous. I have implied it is counterproductive. I have stated that we learn from history but must focus on the present and the future. I have made the claim that if you believe the U.S. is racist, you will see racism in almost everything that you do.

Our history is real, but it is history. Focus on what is happening today. Focus on changes to improve what is happening today. But don't dwell on the past. It will eat you alive and only serve to foster hatred and more divisiveness.

 

[atlkvb]

Focus on what is happening today. Focus on changes to improve what is happening today

I believe you have personally stated to me several times boomboom521 that this is indeed your operating philosophy?

Wrong?

 

[Boomboom521]

Boom, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said ridiculous. I have implied it is counterproductive. I have stated that we learn from history but must focus on the present and the future. I have made the claim that if you believe the U.S. is racist, you will see racism in almost everything that you do.

Our history is real, but it is history. Focus on what is happening today. Focus on changes to improve what is happening today. But don't dwell on the past. It will eat you alive and only serve to foster hatred and more divisiveness.

What is past is prologue. There are sentiments towards Muslim Americans that are potentially as dangerous. Sometimes understanding the past helps us prevent the same mistakes.

 

[Boomboom521]

Boom, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said ridiculous. I have implied it is counterproductive. I have stated that we learn from history but must focus on the present and the future. I have made the claim that if you believe the U.S. is racist, you will see racism in almost everything that you do.

Our history is real, but it is history. Focus on what is happening today. Focus on changes to improve what is happening today. But don't dwell on the past. It will eat you alive and only serve to foster hatred and more divisiveness.

But you are right....I did put words in your mouth. You didn't say ridiculous. I'm just trying to get others on here to see it's not.

 

[WVPATX]

But you are right....I did put words in your mouth. You didn't say ridiculous. I'm just trying to get others on here to see it's not.

I believe fervently that if African American leaders focused on today and tomorrow and on policies to make lives better rather than relitigating the past, they would bring more people to their point of view and actually help foster changes for the better.

It's like with Kaep's protest. He is hurting his cause because it upsets so many people. He is distracting from his message. He is not moving people to his point of view, he is making matters worse.

 

[Boomboom521]

I believe fervently that if African American leaders focused on today and tomorrow and on policies to make lives better rather than relitigating the past, they would bring more people to their point of view and actually help foster changes for the better.

It's like with Kaep's protest. He is hurting his cause because it upsets so many people. He is distracting from his message. He is not moving people to his point of view, he is making matters worse.

I agree it's not time for incendiary language. I think Jim Brown is still a good example for people to follow

 

[WVPATX]

I agree it's not time for incendiary language. I think Jim Brown is still a good example for people to follow

He has done absolutely terrific work. And Marc Lamont Hill called him a mediocre n-word. Disgusting.

 

[Boomboom521]

He has done absolutely terrific work. And Marc Lamont Hill called him a mediocre n-word. Disgusting.

Get more flies with honey.....or maybe as Woody Boyd said: in Hanover, dead squirrels work the best

A more engaging, supporting but tough pressure towards Trump would be the best approach for minorities. It has become noise at this point.