What piles of money are being freed up? Last I checked USC is still selling off assets to counter the Tyndall lawsuit tsunami. If your theory is correct....USC has no intention of improving the lies and cover up that happened.
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Years ago, USC wasn't Harvard and most students, alums, and players didn't care. It was still a pretty good school that produced well-rounded graduates who generally went out and were successful in the world. And, USC played some damn good football.
First Sample, then Nikias. USC has changed. Where the football program used to get the lion's share of attention and donations, the University is the focus. Application numbers are through the roof. Getting through all the scandals, the BoT clearly wants to continue to establish USC as a top academic destination. It's only a second-hand interest if football does well.
Pete made USC the star of Southern California sports. He got too big, too popular....and Pat clipped him in the shorts. Why was it so important for PC to have "total control" over what job he wanted? Because he had it at one time at USC, but then lost it. Things changed from that point on. Besides the sanctions, USC has turned away from football prominence to pursue a different direction. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that Max is the one who dropped the dime on Reggie's parents. Did anyone check CBS's phone records?
It seems to me that a regularly successful football program needs to have the full support of the university. There aren't any top 20 academic schools in the country who also have a perennial top 10 football program. Stanford? Nope. They will likely continue to regress as the school has basically said they are moving away from supporting athletics in the same way. Northwestern? Nope. Notre Dame? Probably the closest. But even they have fallen off from their "glory years".
That dynamic changes a bit if you consider only public universities. Schools that seem to have found more of a balance are Michigan, Florida, Texas, Georgia, Ohio State, and Florida State sorta'. But USC is private. That "LA thing" that people think only represents sunshine, beaches, and entertainment, is also now the center of political and social "do right". USC is the single largest employer in LA. The University has gained a lot of influence in the entertainment area, the city council, and even the DA's office. USC is itself, a sanctuary campus. Folt is all about the green and I don't mean money.
I haven't seen one private university find a way to have both a top 20 academic school and a regular top 10 football program. With the current focus of USC, although I would never say never, I don't know how that can happen.
First Sample, then Nikias. USC has changed. Where the football program used to get the lion's share of attention and donations, the University is the focus. Application numbers are through the roof. Getting through all the scandals, the BoT clearly wants to continue to establish USC as a top academic destination. It's only a second-hand interest if football does well.
Pete made USC the star of Southern California sports. He got too big, too popular....and Pat clipped him in the shorts. Why was it so important for PC to have "total control" over what job he wanted? Because he had it at one time at USC, but then lost it. Things changed from that point on. Besides the sanctions, USC has turned away from football prominence to pursue a different direction. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that Max is the one who dropped the dime on Reggie's parents. Did anyone check CBS's phone records?
It seems to me that a regularly successful football program needs to have the full support of the university. There aren't any top 20 academic schools in the country who also have a perennial top 10 football program. Stanford? Nope. They will likely continue to regress as the school has basically said they are moving away from supporting athletics in the same way. Northwestern? Nope. Notre Dame? Probably the closest. But even they have fallen off from their "glory years".
That dynamic changes a bit if you consider only public universities. Schools that seem to have found more of a balance are Michigan, Florida, Texas, Georgia, Ohio State, and Florida State sorta'. But USC is private. That "LA thing" that people think only represents sunshine, beaches, and entertainment, is also now the center of political and social "do right". USC is the single largest employer in LA. The University has gained a lot of influence in the entertainment area, the city council, and even the DA's office. USC is itself, a sanctuary campus. Folt is all about the green and I don't mean money.
I haven't seen one private university find a way to have both a top 20 academic school and a regular top 10 football program. With the current focus of USC, although I would never say never, I don't know how that can happen.
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How so?
Absolute hell hole for like 4-6 months due to the humidity, then has hurricane galore....
Ive got family there, used to visit a lot, until sister and father both moved back here....
I have no thoughts one way or the other about Cristobal as the HC at USC. However, in support of this point.....
Going on 6 years now, California has seen declining participation, by the thousands, of kids playing football. Lots of reasons like CTE, cost, interest in other sports like baseball, soccer, and lacrosse. More specifically, I think most can agree that both sides of the line are keys to success. Skill players are easier to find in CA. Linemen not so much. Looking only at last year's draft, there were 46 offensive linemen drafted. Only 4 of those were from CA and only 1 played at USC. There were a total of 53 defensive linemen drafted and just 2 came from CA, although one did come to USC so you could say USC got 50% of the options, lol.
Point being, whomever is the coach has to be able to recruit well outside their state, not just in-state and local.
And yet, strangely, there are plenty of coaches who were born, raised, played, and now coach in those areas. I think they are okay with the weather, even if they don't love it. Didn't USC's former Tweedles both leave for humid climates and are still there? If all USC has to offer in one-upmanship is "weather", the interested candidate list won't be as long. It all sounds good until you actually live in socal and come to understand why it's not all that for everybody.
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Miami is hot as balls 8 months out of the year. Nasty humidity and always the threat of hurricanes. It's the LA of the east but with lots of sticky.
Aren't you forgetting such successful Cuban coaches at the U as Jimmy Johnson, Howard Schnellenberger (Sp?)...
Good post. I believe Cristobal is recruiting and doing well for the Duckies all because of Knight's money, support and backing. Without Knight, Cristobal would be pretty much average. I do not view Cristobal as an Elite type coach. I'm on your boat, I do not want Cristobal as our next HC. Let's focus on the other top coaches, pay them and have them repair this broken football program.
The only coaches the new HC should keep: Donte Williams, maybe DC.Orlando. Everyone must go! Clean house. Right now USC brand of FB is one of the worst in history, it's horrible. We're all fed up to the max, just look at all the negative post on this board. No on a hot, potential AC or Coordinators, no more experiment. Find & get an experienced, knowledgeable HC with a Defensive background, a winning record, strong recruiting history, strong minded, no nonsense personality to fix USC football...
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How much money did they really "free up?" Haven't they just played catch-up after years of underinvestment? Would Clemson consider what we spend to be serious money?
By that token, HC's have various other revenue streams such as advertising/sponsorships, merchandising, camps etc. HC's have all sorts of other opportunities, if they pursue them and are a big enough name to warrant it.
Saban seems to welcome the Aflac or whatever stuff. Dabo never seemed to be interested in that stuff. There's only one Saban, but I've heard HC's can make bank on the various other oppty's besides what the schools pay them.
If none of them cared at all, why even spend what it takes to play catch up?
This is the same theme as blaming Bohn for Helton's first contract and baffling extension. He cannot undo what's been done. All he can do is make improvements on what he inherited and he's done that for at least 18 months now.
Some of you are determined to complain no matter what changes are made. Why not just check out, until SC makes the playoff?
Oh you mean like John McKay and John Robinson. Both were never head coaches when hired by SC. Not saying we should go with Donte, but shouldn’t write him off just because.
Yes they do. Most cases puts both jobs roughly similar. The point being, a HC isn't more important to a school WRT to revenue, particularly when it comes to a private university that relies on research $$. Big enough name is key. Top 5%.
Saban welcomed AFLAC because the company said they were looking for the best recruiter. 9 out of 12 years of classes ranked #1, or something like that, makes Saban the obvious choice. When they came knocking at the throne room door, Nick answered, with all of his NC rings. What better way to recruit nationally?
I'm pretty sure CPC was invited into deals he wouldn't have seen if he hadn't been...well, Pete Carroll. Saban has a string of car dealerships, I believe. I have no idea if he got a better deal on those than you or I would, but wouldn't you love having Saban as a business partner in Alabama, even if he didn't put up 50% of the price?
I don't know what your post has to do with anything I said. The poster commented on how USC was suddenly spending "serious money." I was questioning how "serious" that money actually was compared with most big powers. So far USC hasn't "spent what it takes to play catchup," by keeping Helton so long to save money, e.g. He's spent a bit of money around the edges, but nothing particularly extraordinary.
It has everything to do with what you said.
You're so focused on measuring dicks against Clemson, that you don't see how improving things on the "edges" has value beyond dollars. It makes this job 1000x more attractive and effective for the next hire. It's stuff that you don't have to address during negotiations and needed to be done at some point anyway.
When you don't have the option to make the big move immediately, you make all of the "small" moves at your disposal. They add up, they matter and now it doesn't have to be done after the new guy rolls into town. He can just focus on coaching his players.
And as usual, the Pac12 is behind the 8-ball when it comes to making decisions that have positive outcomes for student athletes. After the Alston case essentially punted the decisions to each conference, the SEC announced....
"The SEC on announced on Thursday, that each of its 14 member institutions will be permitted to provide specific education-related benefits and academic-based rewards to its student-athletes, after it was voted into effect by presidents and chancellors.
The introduction of the new rule came on the heels of the Alston v. NCAA decision, a case in which the court ruled 9-0 that schools could not bar educational-related benefits to players. The NCAA argued that these benefits were impermissible, would be labeled as “pay-for-play” transactions and would deem student-athletes as ineligible, as they’d forfeit amateurism status. After the NCAA lost its case, the SEC took steps in the opposite direction to provide for student-athletes in the classroom.
“The Alston decision granted universities the opportunity to provide student-athletes with additional education-related benefits such as computers, science equipment and musical instruments, along with direct financial support in the form of academic achievement awards, up to the legally established maximum of $5,980 per year,” the SEC press release reads.
Following unanimous approval by the SEC athletic directors, the new proposal was taken to the university presidents for confirmation. The presidents also unanimously voted in favor of the new rule."
Meanwhile, Pac12 AD's and Presidents can't seem to agree on anything, have no clear leadership, and continue to be followers. Football is either a priority or it isn't.
"The SEC on announced on Thursday, that each of its 14 member institutions will be permitted to provide specific education-related benefits and academic-based rewards to its student-athletes, after it was voted into effect by presidents and chancellors.
The introduction of the new rule came on the heels of the Alston v. NCAA decision, a case in which the court ruled 9-0 that schools could not bar educational-related benefits to players. The NCAA argued that these benefits were impermissible, would be labeled as “pay-for-play” transactions and would deem student-athletes as ineligible, as they’d forfeit amateurism status. After the NCAA lost its case, the SEC took steps in the opposite direction to provide for student-athletes in the classroom.
“The Alston decision granted universities the opportunity to provide student-athletes with additional education-related benefits such as computers, science equipment and musical instruments, along with direct financial support in the form of academic achievement awards, up to the legally established maximum of $5,980 per year,” the SEC press release reads.
Following unanimous approval by the SEC athletic directors, the new proposal was taken to the university presidents for confirmation. The presidents also unanimously voted in favor of the new rule."
Meanwhile, Pac12 AD's and Presidents can't seem to agree on anything, have no clear leadership, and continue to be followers. Football is either a priority or it isn't.
Don't follow TAMU too closely, but I'd have to question...what have they gotten for the dumptruck of cash backed into Jimbo's garage? I question how competitive they'd have been in the B12, let alone the SEC. They've started the year in a somewhat lackluster fashion and will be heading into the conf schedule.
If they can't end up ahead of FL/Auburn/Ole Miss and Ark by the end of the season, I'd say it's wasted money. Jimbo's a trickster from way back, but I don't see Saban/Smart giving up much room to Jimbo. I guess LSU's descent helps TAMU, one less team above them. Now...if Tenn can ever get their shizz together.
I stand corrected, ha ha.
I think they only Spanish words Jimmy knows are Cerveza and Ceviche, but he grew up in Port Arthur Texas so that may not be true. High school classmate of Janis joplin
Don't disagree with any of that. Was speaking specifically about money spent. TA&M has outspent everyone in Texas and most all programs nationwide. The money keeps coming in even though I don't think they'll ever get to the holy grail, but the big boosters certainly do.....just like USC faithful do.
UGA hasn't exactly been shy with the capital investments where football is concerned. Shiny new buildings and training facilities look pretty darn good. Some of that bleed-over money is going to benefit Coach Caryl Smith Gilbert. Yes, I made a pivot there.
I perceive there's more afoot w/ the SEC than meets the eye. I sense a power-play where essentially, the SEC is muscling the NCAA and taking over matters that used to be in the NCAA's domain. A sort of mob-boss takeover. And I don't blame them, it's the smart move. The PAC is weak, the B12 is dissolving, tOSU which props up the B10 is in a bit of a tailspin and ND is an independent. The ACC between pretenders Miami/UNC and an uncharacteristically vulnerable Clemson (not to mention a 1-week trending VTech that came back down to earth) and the dumpster-fire FSU...if it weren't for Clemson's past and current ranking, I'd argue they're in a bigger mess than the PAC.
But, who wants to see a juggernaut SEC get stronger, a Bama team consolidate power even more and the rest of the conf's essentially following? Something has to give...the collective remaining teams won't just want to cede power that easily. What's the response, is there one? Will Saban stay forever? If he leaves, can the SEC stay on top?
History tells us every empire eventually falls, Bama is doing a great job of proving that history false.
I spend as much or more time in Texas and Florida than most posting on this board, the residents of those states the exception.
I wish more Californians would move there is all I have to say.
I’m a native with no intention of ever leaving. Don’t like the politics, gas prices, taxes etc. anymore than anyone else, but I love the Golden State nevertheless.
The whole "which state is 'better'" thing is such a subjective and nebulous topic...usually tossed around by those w/ an agenda/bias/axe to grind. Politics and demographics are changing so quickly that not much is static outside of Mississippi.
For tax purposes, sure, some states are "friendlier" than others to the affluent. If that's your #1 goal, you should move there.
After having recently returned from Austin...yeah, I'm good. They can have that. UT games should get cheaper and less crowded here soon, there is that.
Great point! This "ties" thing is way overblown. The problem with Cristobal, as I see it, is that we're betting that we will be able to pay him more than Oregon is (currently $4M/year) but often times all that does is give a coach fuel to negotiate a better deal for himself where he already is. It isn't like Oregon is broke and can't pay more money. Historically, we are the best in the business at getting coaches raises at their present place of employment. He has to want to be here for something besides money. What is that something? He's already kind of the king of the hill at Oregon so it isn't that.
It can also backfire in recruiting and perception. If Cristobal gets offered by SC and it leaks (as it always does), Crsitobal is on the batphone to the Prez & Phil Knight to beat that offer, he then uses that press to recruit "SC wanted me to coach them". Local OR press will have a ball w/ taking it to SC. Recruits will catch on.
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However, Eugene is not for everyone. About 2 hrs from PDX, it's pain to get in & out of and other than the natural beauty...not much going on there. King of a very small pond.
Then again, LA is clearly not for everyone either...as we saw in recruiting Chris Petersen.
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The poster suggested that Bohn was spending big money. He hasn't really, compared with other bigtime programs--at least not yet. So what are you arguing? That we're spending big money? Or we're making "small moves?" And who else are we supposed to measure ourselves against, other than schools who have the success we're looking for?
Relax, pal.
Completely different era. The responsibilities of a modern HC and being over a program that’s 3 to 4 times the size and complexity are light years away in difference. Not to mention media and NCAA rules… social media too.
Exactly, we should know this from experience at sc, if you get the right coach in a recruiting hotbed, pete carroll, you can turn things around quickly and win nattys.
