Michigan Marrow Meeting Today
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Hope he stays...
would be tough for Stoops to lose top assistants two years running...
Sure missed Peveto this year...
The big boys need to get the check book out...continuity is the best thing for a program...look at Oregon...they've had the same staff since old man Brooks left...
would be tough for Stoops to lose top assistants two years running...
Sure missed Peveto this year...
The big boys need to get the check book out...continuity is the best thing for a program...look at Oregon...they've had the same staff since old man Brooks left...
What are you talking about? I don't see a single similarity here. We're not trying to run Marrow off, we want him to stay and if he leaves there won't be severance pay.
I hope there isn't any similarity, but for ten years mitch spent the bare minimum he could on football, which ended up costing UK millions. I hope that taught him something.
And I don't understand your post, of course we don't want to run Marrow off, but mitch wouldn't fire the other guy because he would have been paying him plus the new guy.
I sure hope he doesn't go as well. Not only is a he a great recruiter but Vince can bust loose with some serious moves as well.
If it is true that they are meeting today, and Michigan is going to throw lots of money for their coaching staff, he may be gone and who could blame him to further his career? Not unless all the loyalty he has talked about with Coach Stoops, since he has been here is the key factor.. I hope that is the case....
Would hate to lose Coach Marrow, but Coach Stoops is from Ohio and has all of the contacts that we need to keep the recruiting momentum going. I realize that coach Marrow is one of the best in the country, but it's easier losing him now than it would have been a year ago. I hope he stays, we need him, but I'm sure Coach Stoops has a replacement in mind if he decides to go to UM.
Okay, so what is the similarity? Other than Mitch Barnhart is cheap and just the worst, how is there a single similarity between trying to keep Marrow, and trying to fire Brown?
Believe Stoops will pay him whatever he wants. Maybe Mark told him to go and interview, easier to get a raise or title
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I am sure UK could find a great recruiting TE's coach that would like to make 375,000 or whatever Vince is going to pull in.
Personally I would rather have a stud recruiter in the Miami area or Atlanta area, Dawson-Stoops have contacts in the Ohio area. As much as we have recruited that area in Ohio not really in any great marquee guys to emerge yet from Ohio. I think Baker the WR has a chance to be star, hopefully a couple of those DB's that sat out this year emerge. We have gotten a few OL but the vaunted Ohio pipeline has been good not great.
I think the kids from Ga-Fla have been better and they always will be. The WR's that were hurt from last year in Fla, Boom, Kemp our WR that scorched Fla. are all Fla-Ga guys, Bud Dupree was from Ga.
Sign some big uglies in Ohio that Mich. St and Wisky want but get your skill guys from South primarily.
I am not worried about it, Stoops is Ohio guy and will most likely bring in a guy from Ohio to either replace Marrow or bring in a guy from South if Marrow stays.
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I am sure UK could find a great recruiting TE's coach that would like to make 375,000 or whatever Vince is going to pull in.
Personally I would rather have a stud recruiter in the Miami area or Atlanta area, Dawson-Stoops have contacts in the Ohio area. As much as we have recruited that area in Ohio not really in any great marquee guys to emerge yet from Ohio. I think Baker the WR has a chance to be star, hopefully a couple of those DB's that sat out this year emerge. We have gotten a few OL but the vaunted Ohio pipeline has been good not great.
I think the kids from Ga-Fla have been better and they always will be. The WR's that were hurt from last year in Fla, Boom, Kemp our WR that scorched Fla. are all Fla-Ga guys, Bud Dupree was from Ga.
Sign some big uglies in Ohio that Mich. St and Wisky want but get your skill guys from South primarily.
I am not worried about it, Stoops is Ohio guy and will most likely bring in a guy from Ohio to either replace Marrow or bring in a guy from South if Marrow stays.
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Someone that knows comment ... But I read or heard (or maybe I dreamt it) that coaching salaries are from top down....
The more the HC makes then the more there can be for everyone... Can't pay an assistant more than the OC or DC... A hierarchal pay structure I guess it would be called... So if UK is going to pay Vince 400K but UM offers 600K then UK has been anted out of the game... Shannon's pay is reported to be 500K... Unless Mitch Barnhart is more the poker player than we ever thought he was the UK football staff is easy pickens for any program wanting to buy a good card..........
Money talks..... Your call Mitch?
Within reason, it will be worth it to the football program to pay the man whatever it takes. He has been instrumental in building the recruiting foundation we have in place for an eventual competitive program. I really would hate to go backwards and lose the momentum we've created since Marrow and Stoops arrived.
This could be a defining moment for Mitch and his commitment to football.
This could be a defining moment for Mitch and his commitment to football.
^Coach, totally agree this may be MB's defining moment re football commitment. May also be the deciding factor if Stoops one day decides to stay.....or go.
Only thing worse than Marrow leaving, is if the news broke during the all American game this afternoon. A showcase of recruiting with news about how awesome harbaugh is to take our recruiting coordinator.
I didn't use the word similarity, you did.
But the point I am making is that, as you just said, "Mitch Barnhart is cheap and just the worst" (for the 10 years before the strike, and for football only), and the "similarity" is him not paying the money to do the right thing for football.
Personally I think he has to have learned something and won't repeat that mistake, although he might have burned some bridges with Marrow by giving him the same raise and promotion guaranteed him if he had only signed one two star recruit.
Whether he can coach or not (and I believe he can) Marrow is probably doing more for what ails UK football than any other coach on the staff except for Stoops.
With his relationship with Stoops, and Marrow just pulling two of his old recruits from Nebraska, as well as the success that he's having at UK, I don't see him going. He could probably get a raise just by doing this, and getting the word out to the athletic department. He's worth a pretty penny to this program.
Personally I would give him a raise this year, another big time raise to keep him. That would be the last of the big time raises, he would get just like the rest of staff, the incremental raises on wins and bowls etc.. Get him up to 350-400 grand.
The guy was making less than 15,000 a year as GA in Nebraska, if these Ohio guys all loved him like Mark than they would have paid him accordingly. There comes a point in time where you can only pay so much to a TE's coach.
Eventually if he is as he says he is, Mark Stoops closest friend than he stays and gets paid this year. If not than he moves on. It is always about money. Why would he listen if he is so close to Mark. Vince if he is as close as he says than he stays, UK and Mark will pay him.
Vince should appreciate the Mark Stoops hire and bring him in from start. If they are as tight as they say they are than he will stay and show his support for Stoops.
Bud Foster at Va. Tech has had a ton of offers but he is loyal to Beamer, Interesting to see if Vince leaves than the closeness to Mark does not factor in.
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The guy was making less than 15,000 a year as GA in Nebraska, if these Ohio guys all loved him like Mark than they would have paid him accordingly. There comes a point in time where you can only pay so much to a TE's coach.
Eventually if he is as he says he is, Mark Stoops closest friend than he stays and gets paid this year. If not than he moves on. It is always about money. Why would he listen if he is so close to Mark. Vince if he is as close as he says than he stays, UK and Mark will pay him.
Vince should appreciate the Mark Stoops hire and bring him in from start. If they are as tight as they say they are than he will stay and show his support for Stoops.
Bud Foster at Va. Tech has had a ton of offers but he is loyal to Beamer, Interesting to see if Vince leaves than the closeness to Mark does not factor in.
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You used the word "like" which is actually a stronger word than "similar." "Like" in the context you used it means equivalent, matching, same, etc. But thanks, I always enjoy a good English lesson intertwined with Mitch bashing.
I find it amusing that people who hate Mitch Barnhart so much will find any way possible to twist a "Mitch is terrible" comment in to any situation even when it doesn't fit. I don't really have any strong feelings for or against Barnhart, for whatever that's worth.
Why if UK offers more than UM and he still goes? Who you all going to blame? Of course people will never hear the offer of the school that, "loses"
You blame Vince not anyone else if he leaves. If he does get raise and added whatever than nothing else you can do. I would have real problem with Vince, I know I would rather work for my best friend or one of closest friends since childhood than to work for a coach I have never met or worked for, a place I am not familiar with even though Michigan is great place and great tradition. I would still rather be SEC school recruiting Ohio than to be Michigan, Mich. St. Wisconsin, recruiting Ohio. The idea that UK has ponied up for 3 years would factor.
If he leaves Mark than the relationship is not as close as Vince let on or friendship is not that important to him.
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I guess you can look at it like this.... Marrow is getting his name out their and its more appealing to recruits and his resume that Michigan and other schools want him.
I'm sure Stoops urged him to go even though he is going no where because it is showing how good some of our staff is.
I'm sure Stoops urged him to go even though he is going no where because it is showing how good some of our staff is.
Let me see if I understand.. If someone comes along and offers you a job, or a new job, some of you won't listen? Is that right?
I'd like to think this is the case. If Marrow and Stoops are as close as everyone says this could be seen as smart move on Stoops part. On the flip side, if UK offers the same money and he still leaves that would be a dagger. I realize it's Michigan but Stoops has been given a lot of program changing upgrades as well as $$$. The outcome of this will say a lot about our future IMO.
gossie, are you one of the front running basketball fans that come over here because football is starting to show some signs of life? Sounds like it, 12,000 posts and I have never noticed you on here before.
And there is no reason for a basketball fan to do anything but like mitch, when you get a new "Coal House", a $40,000,000 facility primarily for basketball (think volleyball also uses it), a recruiting budget MORE for four or five recruits in the program that has EVERYTHING than for the program (that WAS responsible for over three times the profit from basketball) that signs 25 or more recruits a year, when the operating budget for the program with EIGHTY FIVE scholarships is about the same as the program with THIRTEEN rides, when the bb program has the BEST facilities in the nation while football has had a "recruiting room" that was a disgrace to a State University, then maybe you can have some love for mitch. I love UK basketball also (follow all the sports) but the discrepancy in the support in mitch's first ten years was unbelievable AND unexplainable.
In the works, but I am not sure if the new recruiting room that Brooks wanted to take advantage of our good (NOT great) 07 season to add to the momentum is ready even now.
That was the situation shortly before the strike.
Let me try to explain the "likeness" of the two situations, and of course I know UK is not trying to get rid of Marrow.
1. Mitch tried to save a couple hundred thousand by keeping Brown on as "co" DC.
2. Mitch MAY try to save a couple hundred thousand by not matching Stoops offers.
Does that explain it to you? I think most fans knew what I was trying to say, and surely an English Major should have understood the point.
And there is no reason for a basketball fan to do anything but like mitch, when you get a new "Coal House", a $40,000,000 facility primarily for basketball (think volleyball also uses it), a recruiting budget MORE for four or five recruits in the program that has EVERYTHING than for the program (that WAS responsible for over three times the profit from basketball) that signs 25 or more recruits a year, when the operating budget for the program with EIGHTY FIVE scholarships is about the same as the program with THIRTEEN rides, when the bb program has the BEST facilities in the nation while football has had a "recruiting room" that was a disgrace to a State University, then maybe you can have some love for mitch. I love UK basketball also (follow all the sports) but the discrepancy in the support in mitch's first ten years was unbelievable AND unexplainable.
In the works, but I am not sure if the new recruiting room that Brooks wanted to take advantage of our good (NOT great) 07 season to add to the momentum is ready even now.
That was the situation shortly before the strike.
Let me try to explain the "likeness" of the two situations, and of course I know UK is not trying to get rid of Marrow.
1. Mitch tried to save a couple hundred thousand by keeping Brown on as "co" DC.
2. Mitch MAY try to save a couple hundred thousand by not matching Stoops offers.
Does that explain it to you? I think most fans knew what I was trying to say, and surely an English Major should have understood the point.
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