If Marrow goes, I shutter to think what it could do to this upcoming recruiting class. Many of whom are committed because of Marrow. Does he try to sway a number of these kids to Michigan if he goes up there in order to help hairbrush fill out a first class in real short order?
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No reason to start a bb vs fb debate it's been rehashed here a 1000 times.
Everybody agrees that in the past the fb program has been second fiddle the bb program.
Everybody agrees that the bb program brings in the most donations and thusly is able to build the facilities that it does.
Everybody agrees that the bb program hangs banners.
Everybody agrees that results are shown in the bb program
Everybody agrees that fb generates more money than the bb program
Everybody agrees that the money coming in from other SEC programs helps out the UK program
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.......
could go on and on... enough already. Our administration is showing that that they are spending the dough. Other programs are showing they are upping the ante.
Here at UK we need the bb program to help build up the fb program and thusly Cal is doing this as much as he can without doing too much to not steal the thunder away from Stoops. Look at how our big FB recruiting weekend was during the BB game of UK vs UNC. You do not need to alienate one program from the other or your going to have disdain and infighting and the program will suck ***. ie just look at Kansas where their BB and FB players get into fights all the time with each other.
Just sit back and enjoy the BB program and let it do its thing as it does nothing but brings the KENTUCKY name out of the lips of kids today. They may be football players but the ky bb program just may be their favorite team in bb. Let that be an advantage for our staff to get these kids on campus for at least a visit to show we have what it takes to win.
Pretty easy answer to that one... to find out your market value.
Over the past 30+ years I've taken probably had 15+ job interviews for jobs I really had little interest in taking but I do so for 2 reasons... first is to stay sharp with the job interview process for those times that you are interested. Second is to find out what other people are willing to pay me. You're only cheating yourself if you're willing to work for less or significantly less than your market value.
I am sure that Marrow can parlay this into more money but the thought that UK should be willing to pay whatever is ridiculous and void of reason. Michigan's athletics program is about 30% larger than UK's and its pockets are much deeper. If you get in a bidding war with Bill Gates it only really matters how badly Bill wants it.
Of course should he go nobody will know what UK offered. UK could well offer him more than UM but if Vince sees or perceives greater opportunity at UM he could take a lower UM offer.
As for loyalty...you must first be loyal to yourself and your family. Yes, there are a few assistants out there who have stayed with a particular coach or school for years and years... Oregon currently has 3 assistants who were originally hired by Rich Brooks...but if staffs don't win there is no loyalty from the school to the coaches...no loyalty from the fans...they want you gone. Coaches with ambitions to be HCs know that they will most likely need to move around to achieve that goal.
Another thing to consider.
If UK gives Marrow a big raise, how does that impact the rest of the staff?
There could be some hard feelings from other coaches if they perceive favoritism toward Marrow.
I'm sure we've all been in work places at one time or another where we thought the boss' good buddy was getting preferential treatment.
Not suggesting at all that these coaches don't get along. But money does crazy things to people.
If UK gives Marrow a big raise, how does that impact the rest of the staff?
There could be some hard feelings from other coaches if they perceive favoritism toward Marrow.
I'm sure we've all been in work places at one time or another where we thought the boss' good buddy was getting preferential treatment.
Not suggesting at all that these coaches don't get along. But money does crazy things to people.
If UK loses Marrow it will hurt more than if UK loses Harris. Not sure what Stoops or UK can do to prevent it though. Big boy football is tough business.
If MI/Harbaugh actually offer, it would be a tough job to turn down. Harbaugh is as hot a name in coaching as there is right now. MI has won more games than any other school. Harbaugh's offense will likely put much more emphasis on the TE position than UK's spread passing game. JMO.
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Some of you speak of UK athletic administrators and coaches as if you know
them personally. I have been a fan for 60 years and not one employee of the
UK athletic department has ever called me to pass along decisions that impact
UK athletic teams. So, how often does Mitch call you guys? I am seriously jealous.
them personally. I have been a fan for 60 years and not one employee of the
UK athletic department has ever called me to pass along decisions that impact
UK athletic teams. So, how often does Mitch call you guys? I am seriously jealous.
Believe it or not, money ALONE is NOT the highest priority of some people. The environment within the current coaching staff (or office, or school, or business, etc.) may be dead center in your "comfort zone" and you are not willing to risk that to take significantly more money and then find yourself in a "toxic" environment you hate. MONEY would NOT make up for that. Your family is also likely to have sacrificed several times in the past and this time you decide you don't want to "uproot" them again with the trade off being just that they get "more stuff". It takes MORE THAN MONEY to equal happiness to many people!
There is nothing they can say if they want the money then go out and recruit better. Marrow has inked 52% of our four star players and 28% of our total players. What can they really say?Originally posted by Robcatt24:
Another thing to consider.
If UK gives Marrow a big raise, how does that impact the rest of the staff?
There could be some hard feelings from other coaches if they perceive favoritism toward Marrow.
I'm sure we've all been in work places at one time or another where we thought the boss' good buddy was getting preferential treatment[/URL].
Not suggesting at all that these coaches don't get along. But money[/URL] does crazy things to people.
Same thinking catfanforlife. This is a business and everything is not candy and sugar plums when it comes to pay days. You earn what you're wirth and Vince Marrow is worth a hell of a lot more than many in our staff, so he should be compensated as such.
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Never met the man, and he never returned any of my emails when I used to try to make a point, and believe it or not they were civil. It has been a while since I bothered though. Same with the email to the NCAA trying to explain that Jarmon made an innocent mistake and was one of our best STUDENT athletes, already graduated, why a whole season? But at least they sent me a form email saying they were very busy at the time and would answer ASAP. But that was only seven or eight years ago, so I am still checking my emails, LOL
Hopefully just checking the market, as Fuzz said, and hoping it results in some kind of a raise. He likely is our second most valuable asset in football, just behind Stoops. Hope he becomes third behind our new OC though, think there is a good possibility. I think he is worth more than UK might be able to pay him with the present salaries of the rest of the staff, I think he would be very valuable to either Michigan or OSU just to keep recruits away from UK.
Hopefully just checking the market, as Fuzz said, and hoping it results in some kind of a raise. He likely is our second most valuable asset in football, just behind Stoops. Hope he becomes third behind our new OC though, think there is a good possibility. I think he is worth more than UK might be able to pay him with the present salaries of the rest of the staff, I think he would be very valuable to either Michigan or OSU just to keep recruits away from UK.
Too much doubt and pessimism. Cheer up. Things are looking good. Vince Marrow has turned down Michigan, and will stay at UK. Rob Dowdy and Damien Harris will sign with UK. I am not sure about Lewis yet, but I think he will probably pick UK over Miami.
Is that official about Marrow turning down Michigan? If so, that would be some of the best news I've heard lately. He is absolutely critical to this program and we need to do whatever it takes to keep him around a few more seasons so that we can stockpile the talent he is so efficient at bringing in. If we can ever get established and start winning, Marrow might not be quite so critical to our recruiting success. But there aren't too many guys like Marrow running around out there that go into other states and land 4 star players even while experiencing losing seasons.
Could give the rest of the staff some incentive to do a better job.
Who on the staff is the best recruiter? Who on the staff has done exceptionally well at their job?
I would say that Chad Scott is doing fairly well as is Brumbaugh. How are they doing coaching their positions?
Can you say that our OL coach needs a raise? What about D.J. Elliott? their are only a couple of the staff that I would consider even giving more money too. The rest still need to prove themselves.
Originally posted by CATFANFOLIFE87:
There is nothing they can say if they want the money then go out and recruit better. Marrow has inked 52% of our four star players and 28% of our total players. What can they really say?Originally posted by Robcatt24:
Another thing to consider.
If UK gives Marrow a big raise, how does that impact the rest of the staff?
There could be some hard feelings from other coaches if they perceive favoritism toward Marrow.
I'm sure we've all been in work places at one time or another where we thought the boss' good buddy was getting preferential treatment[/URL].
Not suggesting at all that these coaches don't get along. But money[/URL] does crazy things to people.
Exactly
Mainord, especially if Lewis signs with UK. He's put the UK brand in the DC Metro area and his WRs seem to be making good progress.
The longer this drags out the more worried I am about him leaveing,just hope we match what ever Mich offers
No kidding. Were I a mod, he would be banned for "insidious agenda posting". The resident passive-aggressive Bird.
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If you have to raise your OC and DC pay a couple of hundred grand, so what..... We must do what we need to do in order to keep our best coaches..... We can't call ourself a big league team and spend 200,000,000 dollars on a stadium and facilities to let it sit there at look good...
If we want to be big time, then don't let these so called big time teams come in and grab the best we have to offer, both coaches and players.... We have to compete with those guys, penny for penny.... If not, then say you're not serious in building a winner, so wing it... Try and fool everyone and be mediocre or bottom dwellers....
Let basketball be our number one sport, and let our football team be a laughing stock for another 30 years..... It's now, or never... Put up, or shut up.... I'm sure we can raise some salaries.... If nothing else, if coaches ever do leave us, other good coaches will want to come here, because Kentucky pays well...
Recruiting is the life's blood of any program, and if we want to live, pay up.... Take care of your parts... If you want to die, just go through the motions... Forget the millions that have been raised to build this program... Let it all go down the drain for a couple of hundred thousand here and there.....
It's not all about the money. Some of these KIDS that Marrow reeled in were from strong words by him. And some of these kids come from disadvantage homes and if Marrow bolts and leaves these kids behind that's gonna leave a scar on some these kid's hearts. He'll have to look himself in the mirror as a person and wonder how he can tell those kids the promises he made are about to be broken before they were ever kept. Gotta ask yourself, what kind of human being is Marrow. This to me is what's making his decision drag out.
One report was Marrow turned MI down. Dowdy seems to be favoring us and that commit would give us two straight classes with a strong OL haul.
That's another thing that gives me hope that Marrow wouldn't leave for this job right now. Vince and Stoops being lifelong friends I have doubts whether that would sit well with him going after Stoops' jugular and not only leaving before he's established in his first HC gig but also trying to recruit away the players he needs to get the program rolling. It'd be one thing to do that in 2-3 years when Stoops has the program turned around and on a sturdy foundation but another to do it before he's even made the post-season
I am tired of the bigs preying on our staff and our recruits.
And the attitude of "let them go to bigger and better things" attitude should not be revered like it is at UK, football and basketball. Maybe the BB team can afford to get generous with their assistants but the football team is in a perpetual rebuilding mode and we cant let these stellar recruiters and assistants go. Let them go to UT and find a recruiter, they did better than WE DID this year.
And the attitude of "let them go to bigger and better things" attitude should not be revered like it is at UK, football and basketball. Maybe the BB team can afford to get generous with their assistants but the football team is in a perpetual rebuilding mode and we cant let these stellar recruiters and assistants go. Let them go to UT and find a recruiter, they did better than WE DID this year.
About that life long friends thing. OK, your friend is making 3 million a year, you make $275,000. You have an opportunity to make $500,000(speculation) now and provide for your family better. You never know how long your career in that field or your health will last. What kind of friend would Stoops be to tell him to stay for $275,00. Get my drift. He's finding out how much the offer is and then it will take a few days for Stoops and Barnhart to match it or no. If they say no, we burn Barnhart at the stake the day after that.
There is no way we get outbid. Barnhart is too smart for that and honestly has not given any indication that we won't pay for coaches. We just have not had any worth keeping or that would use the resources given to them.
In that case, how are you going to know that UK didn't offer to match or even better the offer?
Decisions are rarely only about money. Let's say that Vince has a dream to one day coach in the NFL and thinks that a relationship with Harbaugh would help facilitate that dream... What if he dislikes OSU and thinks that at UM he could do more damage to them than at UK?
Point is that there are other reasons one might make a move. I see in a lot of these comments people trying to find justifications for him to stay about which they really have no idea of what is important to the man on a personal level. You're looking for people to blame if he goes. I think it's clear that we all want him to stay. However if he chooses to leave none of us will have any knowledge of what the deciding factors were in that decision.
Not saying the two are exact equivalents, but think how UK's football past would be different had the athletic dept done whatever it took to keep another coach who seemed to be a difference-maker back in the '50s.
My guess is if we had it to do over we'd have done whatever it took to keep Bear a 'Cat -- our bball-leaning administration then, not so much. Hopefully times have changed on that little predilection.
My guess is if we had it to do over we'd have done whatever it took to keep Bear a 'Cat -- our bball-leaning administration then, not so much. Hopefully times have changed on that little predilection.
You can't pay an assistant more than a coordinator? Why not, is that an actual rule or rule of thumb? We need to pay whatever it takes to keep VM even if it's more than the coordinators.
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