Dude is drawing a very fat paycheck and looks unmotivated.
Just unbelievable how bad he is.
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Just unbelievable how bad he is.
You have been very clear with your stance on this.I was being a little facetious and a little sarcastic…and was just in a pissy mood after watching another night of that style..
This version of him doesn't make it out of the blood round.
While my response isn't necessarily about Nolf bc I really don't know much about him off the mat, in general I couldn't disagree more with your post.
These age old traditions of, "you need to do 'x' first, then 'y', then you can do the job" is being disproved more and more all across society. If you can lead and teach at an elite level you don't need to learn under someone for however long the old guard says so.
Nolf for example spent plenty of time in the best program in the country. He's not dumb. He knows what psu is doing to be as successful as they are.
If he hired the right assistants he'd be just fine so long as he (or whoever is hired) has elite leadership and teaching skills.
I followed him closely in high school, he was a versatile offensive machine. Obviously high school is high school but style is style. He was an aggressive let it fly attack wrestler. How that wasn't built upon is crazy to me.
I would agree with that for wrestling, even the recruiting game has changed so much that you don't need years of experience scouting and evaluating athletes, and building relationships to be successful; if we were talking about replacing KF, I would say previous head coach experience would be a must, and that's just because of the sheer size of the organization.
People acting like PK is the little engine that could and sh itting on Gabe amaze me. Look at the recruiting rankings.
We disagree here. Besides DT (who ran a big successful club for years ) when has it happened? It doesn't even happen at mid majors .
While I don't like that proposed plan either, our teams sure have wrestled a lot more like Morningstar and Telford of late than they do TnT. Ryan has been doing a lot more corner coaching in recent years especially this year.
I think they're all great guys, they just aren't getting the results any longer.
Stay on the off topic board brother, it’s less punishment dealing with scrub,bill,northern and the other dipshíts than it is watching the Hawks wrestle. Sad times these are
You can't say "besides DT" when he's a perfect example of exactly what I'm talking about.
In principle, I agree. My worry is just whether Nolf (or other youngsters) would have to spend so much time learning the ropes and doing the tasks of the CEO that he can't really give full effort to hands on work with wrestlers. Certainly not opposed to him as a HC out of the gate, just think I'd love to have him and a couple other top notch assistants have uninhibited focus solely on the talent evaluation process and training for a couple years first, then one steps in to CEO role. But can't work if Tom not open to it or Beth doesn't force it. I guess time will tell where this all goes.
I think the ropes and tasks and dealing with admin stuff is vastly overstated for a head wrestling coach. No offense to Tom but I highly doubt anyone would say he's overly skilled in that area anyhow
And he's the only example which proves my point just because 1 guy is doing it now doesn't mean everyone will. One guy in many many years
I think John Smith was hired directly as head coach of Oklahoma State in 1992, right after he won his second Olympic title, just four years after his college graduation.
If you focus on the five teams that have won titles in the past thirty years -- which is really what we're talking about -- the sample size of new coaching hires is so small that is hard to draw meaningful conclusions.
That said, the fact that Taylor and Smith (if I got my facts right) got the job done suggests to me that it's viable to hire a new young coach without prior experience if that person otherwise checks the right boxes of talent, reputation, charisma, etc.
You may be right that Taylor is a unicorn, but I'd take the other side of the bet if Iowa could surround a Nolf-type of hire with the right kind of supportive staff.
I would also be open to Iowa wrestling hiring Curt Cignetti.
If you subscribe to Askren's theory (and I do) that there are only three to four programs with the resources that separate them from the pack, then @Mattski makes an excellent point. There has been a single coaching change among the top four in the past 15 years. So the sample size is 1 and the success stories are also 1. Saying you want to ignore the one coaching change that is relevant to the situation does not make sense.
What is Nolf doing now? Running a big, successful club...
And he's new to it. I'm not knocking him at all. Hiring him as an assistant sign me up but giving him the keys right now I wouldn't do
And how much $ did it take to get him? Does Iowa have a billionaire donor that I'm unaware of?
That is a different and unrelated argument. DT is off the market. The debate was whether someone like Jason Nolf could replicate DT's success, not whether DT could be pried away from OSU, or whether Nolf would require the same inducement.
The reality is that Iowa has a lot of money. They are in the top tier of money. Perhaps it is less than what OSU now has, but they are paying their head coach / associate head coach well north of $1 million of salary, and probably well north of $2 million in total compensation. You cannot convince me that they do not have the resources to hire any young coach when they are paying in the top 3 in the sport.
They just spent $31 million on a new facility. They have been rumored to repeatedly spend hundreds of thousands per wrestler in the transfer market.
The "Iowa doesn't have a billionaire" argument may be your weakest yet.
You two could go on and on. Corby will argue about anything devil's advocate is his middle name. Unless you've a few days I would just move along
I see what you did thereYou two could go on and on. Corby will argue about anything devil's advocate is his middle name. Unless you've a few days I would just move along
