Stoops has an issue of trusting his coordinators. He can't stand the fact if the offense scores to quick. It has to stop now! It's happened with every offensive coordinator he has had. Go back and look at the first couple of games of every offensive coordinators he has had. We score quick and then it all changes like the offense is going backwards. He needs to focus more on the defense and stay out of the offenses way. If that doesn't stop we are in for a long season and his tenure will end very soon! What are your thought?
Micro managing has to stop now!!!
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Scoring too fast should never be an issue in college football.
I don't think we scored too fast at Florida.
Apparently, Dawson, was not the toxin. I heard, from someone who was on the team last year, that Stoops is a control freak. I was hoping it was sour grapes, but after these first 2 games, I'm starting to believe it. I'm really doubting I'll live long enough to ever see UK with a good fb program :angry:
It's hard to score at Florida when you've already been told to change the offense the last game. It happened at halftime of the 1st game and killed the spirit they had. you can see it on the faces of the offense if you really look at their emotions.
And you have to play this game to your strengths. That we are not at all. Why have all these receivers and not go all out in the passing game. happened in the 1st half against Southern Miss. Then all went south. It's happened every year Stoops has been there.
He needs to be a control freak with his awful defense.
While you could be right, the first play for our offense showed only that the Oline was going to be overmatched which didn't have anything to do with how the offense would be ran. If he is meddling with Gran, it won't be a secret very long because I don't think he will put up with it long.
Even in his pregame comments before Florida he still couldn't get out of his own way. "We had some nice quick scoring drives with big chunk plays against Southern Miss, but we've also gotta grind it out, earn thise tough yards and give the defense rest."
He still just doesn't get it. 2 minutes of offense with 7 to show for it is a helluva lot better than 2 minutes of 3 and out.
He still just doesn't get it. 2 minutes of offense with 7 to show for it is a helluva lot better than 2 minutes of 3 and out.
I really don't feel comfortable saying negative things about another teams coach on their site, but it has been brutal here for a couple days so maybe this is ok. This not trusting his assistants reminded me of Jim Donnan, UGA's coach before Richt. He was the only coach we have hired since the 50's with head coaching experience, won a NC at Marshall. But he was convinced he knew more about how to coach every position that every position coach HE hired. The man knew football, but he made some of the worst hires in UGA history because word got out he micromanaged every position and good assistents wouldn't work for him. So this might whats going on with Stoops, not saying it is, but I do think he has been way more involved in the offense than he should have been during his time here. He hired guys who run HUNH spread offenses and then doesn't want them to run it. The DC is a puzzling situation, you would think Stoops would help his friend out and turn the offense over to the offensive coaches completely. But control freaks can't do it.
I am not going to give an opinion on keeping or firing Stoops, thats the UK administration, fans and boosters decisions and after this weekend UK could smoke us. But something needs to change besides getting a new OC, that isn't working real well for you guys.
I don't believe Stoops is a control freak. I honestly don't think he understands his job as HC. If he was going to interfere with anything he would get more involved in the defense and hopefully pull it out of the bottom 5 in the country. He looks completely over his head and afraid to fail. I also think that he respects our new offensive coaches too much to interfere there. We just have a crappy team who don't know how to play the game and whose talent has been over rated. Add to that a HC who is very unsure of himself and you get a timid team. I think he is a very nice guy but unfortunately most good coaches are not really that nice.
When your one strength is supposingly your offense, you should try to help those guys do as much damage as they can and hope that your defense can either stop or make the other team's offense work for their scores. Putting the brakes on the offense will NOT make our defense improve that much so if he is doing it, somebody needs to put a bug in his ear and help him understand the offense is in good hands.
It's obvious that he's done this to all of the OC's.! I got the feeling that Neal Brown couldn't stand him at the end of his tenure. I also got that feeling from Dawson. Dawson as much as said by mid year he knew their philosophies were different. Now he's in Grans ear every snap. After Barker threw a pick in UF game he came off the field and Gran stopped him to talk and immediately there's Stoops in Barkers other ear! Any solution, advice, encouragement Gran was giving was totally overridden by Stoops butting in where he has no business! If Gran and Hinshaw have a way out of this circus, I'd bet money they're gone too!
Again, still no proof of this. But let's say it is true. Have you ever heard of a guy name Nick Saban. If not, let me just tell you the dude is an un believable head coach. Won a few NCS and in my mind is the best coach in all of football, including the NFL. Guess what? He micromanage EVERYTHING!! He also yells at his assistants and works them countless hours. So what do you think the difference is?
I think that's totally what's going on but it probably goes deeper than that. Most of the player rebellions have occurred on the offensive side. These guys were recruited by Neal Brown to play an uptempo high octane offense like he ran at Texas Tech. They didn't come here to control the ball and support the defense. Simply put the system they are in is not what they were sold. I believe Stoops excessive control over the offense is the source of the player rebellion.
Just imagine where we would be right now if Brown was allowed to score as many points as he wanted. Probably still would have won 2 games that first year. Talent was so low nothing was going to change that. But year 2 and 3 would have been different if we lost games putting up points. Then you have something to build on. We never developed something to build on.
Most of these coaching hires that go awry do so in the first few games. That went unnoticed because he was still in his honeymoon phase and nobody should have expected him to win. However there should have been an expectation of building a foundation. Joker may have doomed Stoops to 2 wins that first year but the lack of starting a foundation for the future was all on Stoops.
That is a fine point merrimanm! However, most people can eat crow when they're winning NC's every year. When you coach for a losing program and are trying to score as often as you can and HC is telling you to slow down every game and you begin losing, then your coaching abilities come to be an issue! What OC wants to have his career ruined by a coach who knows nothing about offensive football, yet is a controll freak? Dawson is lucky he got out when he did, Brown as well! Who wants a coach who " Appears" not to be good?
IMO the 3/4 has to go. UK does not have the talent to run a 3/4! Debatable if they have it for 4/3. Remember in Jokers 2nd year Rick Minter implemented the 3/4 and it was a disaster as well! We can't get pressure with 4 Dlineman, let alone 3. And the lack of creativity in blitz packages just gets us shredded! Defense needs an overhaul! Eliot is clueless, and Stoops claims he's gonna get more involved, but that's BS. Stoops has been involved all along! These players lack discipline, conditioning, and coaching!
You guys don't know what the F you're talking about. Ok, in southern miss, Stoops micro manages the offense to slow down the offense in the second half? So why did we stop running the ball? Play calling coming out of the half was
Pass, run, pass pass run pass pass pass
Is that play calling of someone told to score slower?
Pass, run, pass pass run pass pass pass
Is that play calling of someone told to score slower?
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After Barker threw a pick in UF game he came off the field and Gran stopped him to talk and immediately there's Stoops in Barkers other ear! Any solution, advice, encouragement Gran was giving was totally overridden by Stoops mindless babbling butting in where he has no business! Stoops said it in a pre-season interview! Gran said "Were gonna go fast!" Stoops interrupted him on air and said "Hold on now.....we don't wanna gas the defense"! There was an article written on it! If that's not micromanaging the offense, then WTF is it?
you have killing the clock and slowing down the game plan completely confused there. you can pass and still slow down the offense. and some of those passes were because of 3rd and longs.
You dont have to just run run run to slow it down......... and we didnt look for those 20+ yard throws as much as we were in the first half
Not be mean, but every freakin head coach worth his salt would be talking to the QB after an interception. Yall do know what the role of the head coach is correct? He has, and should have his hand on every part of the program.
Good grief UK is not some offensive juggernaut that Stoops is manically holding in check. Check the stats, our offense is as bad as the defense. It is the team that is failing, not this part or that. In the last three games we cannot get a first down or sustain a drive. The little success we have has come from big plays. Meanwhile the defense is well, almost defenseless.
He's the man in charge no questioning that. He can have his hand in whatever he wants to. I think he should spend 100 percent of his effort into the the defense but that's his choice and he can do whatever he wants.
he's the one coach who has his hands on everything on the team.......... and we suck at everything. Hmmmm Merrimanm ........ but no go ahead and forgive him and blame the assistants right?
You cant have accountability without consequences
You cant have accountability without consequences
Scoring fast is a bad idea - the defense needs to rest between giving up 12 play, 80 yard scoring drives.
Most coaches would win with a roster loaded with 4 & 5 start talent. I will always believe Saban is a great recruiter and a good coach. There are several coaches out there who I believe are better than Saban...they just can't recruit at his level.
He has a track record of winning and his team wins? He has a squad full of talent at every position? They are ALABAMA?
Go Big Blue!
Good stuff as always Grumpy. I don't care what those Gators say, you Georgia boys are alright.
"Micromanaging" is such a catchy characterization. You see it posted and you cannot wait to use it whether it's appropriate or not. I've always wanted to use "true fan" without gagging.
Maybe it's just me, but when we score and score on big plays, no matter how quick the drive is, it pumps the defense up. They get more hyped and you see it on the field. Just look at the first half of the Southern Miss game. Our defense did very well, despite little rest between possessions. It wasn't until they got comfy and Southern Miss punched back that we faltered. I think that's a bigger issue here. We blow our wad in one half, and there isn't any fight left. Gotta fight every minute, every down, until the very end.
I hate to quote The Replacements, but you know what quicksand is? Shane Falco knew. Things start to go wrong, and before you know it, more things go wrong, and you become paralyzed. We just don't respond to adversity. That's on the coaches.
I hate to quote The Replacements, but you know what quicksand is? Shane Falco knew. Things start to go wrong, and before you know it, more things go wrong, and you become paralyzed. We just don't respond to adversity. That's on the coaches.
Exactly! So the question is, why does it work for Saban and not Stoops? Want to know why? They have a tradition of you better get on board or you are going to get kicked off. They have depth that can hold kids accountable. They have talent that makes it to where if you don't shoe up and put in the work, then you aren'tgoing to play. Easier to coach with those circumstances.
But on the other hand, you have a situation where every move you make is a razor thin one that everyone criticizes, you have to balancestors the thought of benching talent over guys who are not very good, or just continue to hope you can get through to them in other ways. You have a culture that is used to losing and has a losing mentality. Lose situations are much more difficult. What I am saying, is that every head coach has his hand in all parts of the game, every head coach yells at assistants, every head coach is in the ear of every player. These guys don't get to where they are by being stupid.
So when is it on the players for not doing their job? On a team, or in business, EVERYONE has a job to do. When someone doesn't do their job the team is hurt along with production. The players have a job and responsibility as well. If they choose to lay down when getting hit in the mouth, then coaching won't matter anyway.
They do have a job, but if they are going to lay down and die once they face adversity, that is sign of being ill prepared. Coaches instill an atmosphere and mentality as well. I saw more fight from the bunch his first year with Joker's scraps, then I've seen these two games.
Laying down is not lack of being prepared. It is a lack of mental toughness. I guess I was just raised different. I was always taught that if I didn't do my job, then it was my fault. I didn't need a coach to.motivate me. Teach me what to do? Yes. Motivate me to do my job? No. I wanted to win too bad. It has been my experience that if they need someone else to motivate them, then they aren't going to be very good regardless.
As an AC or OC/DC you work for the head coach. it is not a democracy, and if it is, it will fail. The head man must have everyone in the boat pulling the same way, his way. If not, it's disfunctional and too many cooks in the kitchen. The misnomer that the OC is equal or above the HC is ludicrous. Watch an Alabama or Urban Meyer sideline.
I totally get what you're saying. Players need to be held accountable as well. Jones chewing out teammates for not playing 4 quarters is evidence of it. I have always believed that if that many players are doing it, it falls back on the coaching staff. Not being mentally tough isn't endemic to the players alone. To me that's a sign that the coaching staff doesn't know what the hell they are doing. It's been a hallmark of Stoops teams that we don't play 4 quarters. You have instill an atmosphere of accountability and mental toughness. If our coaches quit fighting, the players will too. Or else I don't know why they would come play at UK, knowing we go against SEC teams day in and day out. I don't remember Brooks teams laying down and taking it once he got over the hump. There were plenty of times we would lose to Florida during Brooks era, but the score would be 52-45 or some crap. They at least fought, and hit back.
So Stoops can make them mentally tough for part of the game, just not other parts? That makes no sense to me. I can honestly say I have never seen the coaches quit on the sidelines. I don't even know how to respond to that. Why would they quit?