So now you're blaming the players, not the coach. And who recruited these substandard players? Where does the buck stop? Is there a point where you stop catching spears for Stoops?
Micro managing has to stop now!!!
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These are Stoops recruits. If they lay down on the staff it is all on them. I guess you can blame it on poor evaluation on what type of player you recruit or start looking at how you are handling the overall program. This isn't high school sports where you have to play the hand you are dealt. These are all players that he felt could help the program. It's all on him.
Yes Stoops recruited them. But if you actually believe that Stoops can determine their toughness based upon high school games in which the kids mostly have no adversity to deal with because they are challenged as much, then I don't know what to tell you. You really don't know what they are capable of until they get on campus.
It is his job to be able to evaluate personalities as well as skill. It takes a talent to handle the mental side of these youngsters too and the head coach and assistants both seem to have difficulty getting consistent effort out of THEIR recruits.
My thoughts are that it is interesting how certain narratives become accepted as fact without evidence and how fan bases will lock in on a particular coach as "the problem".
When Brooks was here if there was a problem it was blamed on the OC...ether Ron Hudson or Joker. When Cobb didn't get the ball...it was Joker's fault. I can't recall anyone ever blaming Brooks for a call. When Joker became HC, it was all his fault not Randy Sanders. Yet Tennessee fans would tell everyone that Randy Sanders was a terrible OC. Last year everything was Dawson's fault...now everything is Stoops fault.
Trying to give the defense a rest is fundamental football at every level. I seriously doubt that any competent OC needs to be reminded. It takes much more energy to play defense and if you have little/no depth then the result will be that you'll never stop anyone and your players will suffer more injuries due to their fatigue.
Further, I suggest anyone suggesting that the play calling changed after UK got a lead vs So Miss to check the play-by-play.
2nd half...
1st possession...
1st Pass 32yds
1st Run 1 yd
2nd Barker sacked, fumbles
2nd possession
1st Pass 1 yd
2nd Run -1 yd
3rd Sacked
4th punt
3rd possession
1st Pass no gain
2nd Pass (long pass downfield) - intercepted
4th possession
1st run 6yds
2nd run 6 yds
1st run 7 yds
2nd run 5 yds penalty called for holding
2nd sacked
3rd pass 3yds
4th punt
5th possession
1st Sacked, fumble
I don't exactly see a team trying to take the air out of the ball and eat clock. Those short passes in the first half were being taken for big gains. There are 4 sacks which were on longer called pass plays. The other 2 long pass plays, 1 was complete, the other intercepted.
There were only 15 offensive plays in the 2nd half and 3 of those were turnovers. When your sample sizes are drives of 3, 4, 2, 5 and 1... 9 of the 15 called plays were passes...a pass play is not controlling the clock...
We have seen it time and time again. The team comes out, hyped for a bit, then adversity strikes and they don't know what to do, because our coaches don't know what to do. The look on Stoops face when Florida or Southern Miss were pounding us was that of mystery. It's not all mental toughness from the kids, the buck stops with the coaching staff. To me, that's being ill prepared. Difference of opinion I guess. When the whole team quits, to me, that means the coaching staff is not doing their job somewhere.
Matt House should be promoted to DC and Eliot demoted to ball boy maybe? Water boy? I dunno....not comfortable with him even coaching special teams! For sure need both OL and DL coaches replaced and DC at the very least! And stick to 4/3 4/2/5
OK.....Did you see the interview with MS EG and DH? Gran said "Were gonna play fast" and was immediately interrupted by MS- "Hold on now....Let's not gas the Defense"!? Alot of the problem lies in player development! They don't trust the 2's to spell the 1's. Question: How can the 2's do any worse than the trainwreck we're fielding now? Play them for God sakes! Let them learn and grow as season goes on. We're gettin blown out anyway, and the 2's would give more effort, which in turn motivates the 1's! Now that's rocket science right there boys!
All this pointing fingers and the like.....Can't we all just get along? There's always Basketball! I think everyone should show up to the games with paper bags over their heads like the old Saints fans.....The Ain'ts
Gran is labeled as "Head Coach of Offense".....was NB or Dawson labeled that? M Hmm.....Suggest anything to you? Like maybe the words out that Stoops wants to control everything? Certainly would suggest that to me!
Titles are more about pay scales than responsibilities. No, it doesn't really tell me anything.
I'm sorry, but Stoops needs to stay in his lane. Look, I get it. It's his first HC gig (In the SEC to boot) and he doesn't want to fail. But you can't micro manage every aspect of the game and cut the legs out from under your coordinators. It's just like the UGA fan's scenario, you bring these OC in that run high powered offenses, but make them grind it out instead of running their intended offensive game plan. It's obvious the OC's aren't the problem. Just look at Gran, Brown, and Dawson's numbers away from Stoops. Then add Stoops and they all tank. You tell me what the problem is? If Stoops is so worried about a high powered offense leaving his D gassed, he needs to look in the mirror. As a defensive guy, you'd think he'd more worried about the awful D than anything else. The whole situation just baffles me, honestly.
Exactly. Scoring points, regardless of how quick, actually helps your D. When a team is playing from behind, especially late the game, it limits what they can do and makes the offense more predictable as they need to score.
So, Stoops is a horrible judge of character compared to, oh I don't know, EVERY OTHER COACH IN THE SEC.
Got it.
I'm not a Stoops fan..but this opinion that controlling the offense by Stoops has no legs.
1. So Miss game we had two TOs in 2nd half...both on passing plays. If Stoops was trying to run clock...he'd have them just run the ball regardless. The Int was a first down play to boot and was a long pass that Barker underthrew...the So Miss wasn't about taking our foot off the pedal..we simply didn't execute and Barker had two TOs he could have avoided.
2. Running the ball with Boom isn't a bad idea either...he's our best player IMO. Many have argued Boom needs more than 10-12 carries a game...so when you try to feed him...it is going to be running the ball most likely.
3. Finally if Stoops wants a slow down offense...why has he hired 3 air raid OC? If he was going to muddy the offense...he'd hire a guy that goes double TE sets and hammer away in between the tackles. Or he'd recruit a running QB...which he's never recruited one at UK.
Stoops has major league issues...but I don't think watering down the offense is one of those.
1. So Miss game we had two TOs in 2nd half...both on passing plays. If Stoops was trying to run clock...he'd have them just run the ball regardless. The Int was a first down play to boot and was a long pass that Barker underthrew...the So Miss wasn't about taking our foot off the pedal..we simply didn't execute and Barker had two TOs he could have avoided.
2. Running the ball with Boom isn't a bad idea either...he's our best player IMO. Many have argued Boom needs more than 10-12 carries a game...so when you try to feed him...it is going to be running the ball most likely.
3. Finally if Stoops wants a slow down offense...why has he hired 3 air raid OC? If he was going to muddy the offense...he'd hire a guy that goes double TE sets and hammer away in between the tackles. Or he'd recruit a running QB...which he's never recruited one at UK.
Stoops has major league issues...but I don't think watering down the offense is one of those.
Maybe because Stoops is horrible at halftime adjustments, and they realize it.
There's a possible reason.
100 correct. Stoops has been his own worst enemy. We missed out on Lincoln Riley thanks to his inability to back off the offense and let his coaches coach.
One of Grans demands before he came here was being guaranteed he would be allowed to run the offense how he wanted to.
I still think this season would have been managable if Stoops has been willing to get rid of Schlarman and Brumbaugh.
Stoops has recruited extremely well and has done a FANTASTIC job of brining in assistants. His management of them has been HORRIBLE. It's the deciding factor that will cost him his job.
I've said it a dozen times....Replace OL & DL coaches, DC, stick with 4/3 4/2/5 Defense (we don't have elite pass rushers to be successful in 3/4), show some trust in your 2's, keep your nose out of the offense and this would be a much different team! But I think Stoops wants to keep beating a dead horse in hopes it will click, then he will look like a defensive genius!!! This will ultimately be his undoing.....
Yeah....It's too bad! Gran and Hinshaw would be awesome for future.... i.e QB development etc. But if they have an offer or a way out, they're gone (voluntarily) at seasons end as well! Stoops needs to realize he ain't at FSU and he ain't all that and a ham sandwich!
ESPN announcers alluded to in the Southern Miss game that Stoops had philosophical differences with what Dawson wanted to do. Stoops interrupted Gran in a press conference earlier this year and corrected him when Gran indicated that the offense would play fast. Basically said offense would be tailored to protect his defense. Stoops has his thumb on the offense and always has. The offensive coordinators that have came here have not played the style that they came in with.
First off, Gran and Hinshaw have proven waaay more than Riley. So I think we got the better hire.
Secondly, I want someone to prove that Stoops is telling the OC what to run. Everybody says it, but has no proof.
Again, some of yall are acting like your opinion is truth. There is no evidence to prove this.
Wait.....what? In what universe has Gran and Hinshaw "proven" way more than Riley?
You do realize Gran had never called an offensive play in his career until 2013. 3 years AFTER Riley started calling plays at ECU. (3 years AFTER calling his first game as a last minute OC and managing to beat Michigan State)
He's also won the Broyles award and taken his team to a play off. Gran has essentially done nothing worthy of note as an OC other than gotten his team murdered on national television last year at Cincy vs San Diego state.
Lincoln Riley is BY FAR the better playcaller and more "proven".
Go home Mitch....your drunk
I think the difference is. Saban knows how to coach. And stoops is a bad head coach. The fact that you have the nerve to compare stoops and Saban and even use their names in the same sentence, is just unbelievable garbage and you should be VERY ashamed of yourself. The football gods are spitting on your future casket as we speak. You sir are COMEDY.
Just saying Nicks first 4 years at Mich st was 25-23 and that's b10 not the sec. Stoops first couple of years was with mid level Mac talent. Stoops may not be the answer for U.K but he is learning how to be a head coach on the fly and even great nick struggled in the beginning, so to compare where stoops is now vs where Sabah is now is pretty outrageous.
Do you not know merriman? He always blames the players and not the coach. Always. When it comes to things the team does well, it's coach stoops doing, if the team is sucking in a certain area, it's the players faults. Just learn to accept that's who merriman is. He's not one of us (by that I mean a rational human being with a hint of perspective).
Please, beat the dead horse but stop making statements that are untrue. Lincoln Riley was not COMING to this train wreck ever.
The worst part of our offense is pass blocking. I don't care how good our receivers are, if the QB doesn't have time to pass, emphasizing the passing game will not be effective. Our O linemen are decent run blockers. We have good backs. We have limited depth on the d line and at LB. Running the ball makes freaking sense.
Micro managing. You're really reaching to drag up that little meaningless phrase. How about throwing in "true fan" or "blitz more". I'm sure you have a treasure chest full of them.
That's my thought. You are desperate for ammunition against Stoops.