Mike Leach AP PAC 12 COyT

[RonEJones]

Good for Mike. Guy is a winner to turn the worst power 5 school into a good team. He's now done it twice and almost won a Natty at Texas Tech.

Just to think, all the assclowns who acted like this guy couldn't win at UK back when Joke was on his last legs (the year before he fired and Mike was looking for work). My favorite quote by some idiot mod who went by KACAT on Maggards old site was - "No one will work for him. He couldn't get a quality staff together now that he's damaged goods." I knew poster was a moron then and even more now.

 

[mrhotdice]

Good for Mike. Guy is a winner to turn the worst power 5 school into a good team. He's now done it twice and almost won a Natty at Texas Tech.

Just to think, all the assclowns who acted like this guy couldn't win at UK back when Joke was on his last legs (the year before he fired and Mike was looking for work). My favorite quote by some idiot mod on Maggards old site was - "No one will work for him. He couldn't get a quality staff together now that he's damaged goods." I knew poster was a moron then and even more now.

And Leach loved and I think, wanted to be at UK. I doubt he was ever considered by Barny

 

[Longtrip]

He had a good season and is headed to a very respectable bowl. The players and coaches in his conference recognize the great job he has done at a school no one would call one of the upper echelon of that conference. We could have had him but Barney wet his pants when someone mentioned his name. Hey Barney, Leach is going bowling, where are you going? Now some idiot will get on here and say his style would not succeed in the SEC. BS!

 

[jauk11]

Yeah, I listened to about an hour interview at that time on the local radio, sounded like he was either open or campaigning for the job. I was really impressed, seemed very down to earth and had a sense of humor, obviously a very intelligent man, and I liked him because he has a law degree and didn't become another --------.

 

[zcats]

Good for him. He was not clean enough for Mitch and the timing wasn't right to dump Joker. He still needed more time to completely bury the program.

 

[ktbug]

Going to write off his first 3-4 years at WSU? He had a good year in a very down conference. If you want Leach, more power to you. I guess AD's are going to line up at his door now, but I bet they won't. He lost to Portland State and beat as many ranked teams as UK did.
Not being able to run the ball, and a lack of import placed on defense will not work in the SEC, You are probably one of the bring back Mumme guys.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Going to write off his first 3-4 years at WSU? He had a good year in a very down conference. If you want Leach, more power to you. I guess AD's are going to line up at his door now, but I bet they won't. He lost to Portland State and beat as many ranked teams as UK did.
Not being able to run the ball, and a lack of import placed on defense will not work in the SEC, You are probably one of the bring back Mumme guys.

Yep. Every Mike Leach fan is nothing more than a fair weather, air raid, entertain me fan. Of course they were all silent while Leach was getting killed the last few years. Theyll be silent again when he loses to the Portland States of the world next season; again.

 

[bthaunert]

Leach had a good year at WSU. Their fans wanted him gone after his 12-24 regular season record in his first 3 years and his loss to a FCS team to start the year. Let's hope that puts a little light into Stoops 12-24 record after his first 3 seasons...the exact same as Leach prior to this year.

As for the WSU job, not nearly as bad as many people make it out to be. From 1987 - 2007, WSU had 3 coaches, all who left with winning records. They had 6 seasons with 9 or 10 wins during that time. Something we would die for here! They made a bad hire with Wulff and got rid of him after 4 years, when Leach took over.

 

[Shavers48]

Going to write off his first 3-4 years at WSU? He had a good year in a very down conference. If you want Leach, more power to you. I guess AD's are going to line up at his door now, but I bet they won't. He lost to Portland State and beat as many ranked teams as UK did.
Not being able to run the ball, and a lack of import placed on defense will not work in the SEC, You are probably one of the bring back Mumme guys.

write off?!? 2 bowls in four years. you'd give your nut. and please enlighten how Pac 12 is very down: 4 in top 25 and 5 of 6 Pac12 east (includ WSU) in a bowl. please.

 

[RonEJones]

Going to write off his first 3-4 years at WSU? He had a good year in a very down conference. If you want Leach, more power to you. I guess AD's are going to line up at his door now, but I bet they won't. He lost to Portland State and beat as many ranked teams as UK did.
Not being able to run the ball, and a lack of import placed on defense will not work in the SEC, You are probably one of the bring back Mumme guys.

And what has UK done under Stoops? Leach has a track record of knowing what he is doing. What he did at Texas Tech was the work of a great coach and now he's doing it again at an even worse program.

Don't make yourself look like an idiot. Wait a minute, maybe you're the old football mod at Frosty Tip's old site?

 

[Chuckinden]

write off?!? 2 bowls in four years. you'd give your nut. and please enlighten how Pac 12 is very down: 4 in top 25 and 5 of 6 Pac12 east (includ WSU) in a bowl. please.

Oops...did someone get pwned?

 

[sluggercatfan]

Yep. Every Mike Leach fan is nothing more than a fair weather, air raid, entertain me fan. Of course they were all silent while Leach was getting killed the last few years. Theyll be silent again when he loses to the Portland States of the world next season; again.

Sit down a minute and learn something...yes they lost to psu...how about this recovery @oregon [email protected] -L-30-28 leading 22-20 heading to the fourth..ASU-W 38-24..@ucla w 31-27 all this playing rs WALK ON QB...HC AT TT 10 years 10 bowls..wsu was in much worse shape than UK was when MS took over

 

[jauk11]

Hey, my liking the job he has done doesn't mean I want him here now, still fully behind Stoops. If the coaching doesn't match the talent Stoops is bringing in then in three or four years he could be an option for me, not now.

 

[308955]

Good for Mike. Guy is a winner to turn the worst power 5 school into a good team. He's now done it twice and almost won a Natty at Texas Tech.

Just to think, all the assclowns who acted like this guy couldn't win at UK back when Joke was on his last legs (the year before he fired and Mike was looking for work). My favorite quote by some idiot mod on Maggards old site was - "No one will work for him. He couldn't get a quality staff together now that he's damaged goods." I knew poster was a moron then and even more now.

Mike Leach is obviously a fine football coach, but he never "almost won a Natty." His best season culminated in a #12 ranking and a two touchdown defeat to a 4 loss SEC team in a bowl. While that is a great season by any standard, the reverence by our fan base for a coach that has never even won a conference title is baffling. He had a good year this year, but after 3 years at WSU he was 12-25. That's almost as good as Stoops is after 3 years here...almost. The obsession is odd.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Good for Leach. I wouldn't have minded him as a HC, but I wasn't voting for him to be though. At TTU he pretty much was an 8 win coach......so I figured since the SEC is tougher (especially the defenses) I figured he'd float around 6-7 wins on any given yr......maybe shoot for 8 every 4-6 yrs. So, my sights were a little higher.

He'd be a much better coach if he cared about defense more. When he was in between jobs, I used to listen to his show on Sirius radio. Yikes, he just doesn't care about defense at all.....he said so just about every day. If he just put forth a little more effort into his defense he'd win much more.

 

[jauk11]

Weird, sounds like he would have to know how important it is to winning. But in his case there should be a simple solution, hire a great DC and since he doesn't care for defense let him handle everything on that side. I hope he doesn't take it as far as Mumme, that seemed to want the other team to score so he could get the ball back at times.

But on the other hand Mumme seemed to mostly recruit offensive talent, whether from design or because that was all he could attract.

 

[Levibooty]

Mike Leach is a good coach but he would not win in the SEC like some like to believe. The Air Raid just will not get it done anymore. The best SEC record Mumme and Leach had at Kentucky when nobody had seen the Air Raid and Kentucky had it's greatest QB and WR ever was 4-4. Yet people think of that as the golden age of Kentucky football. Mumme went to TWO bowl games. Brooks went to four and his remaining team went to a fifth consecutive bowl game and some on here still dis him. Mumme followed those bowl games with a 2-9 season 0-8 in the SEC.

Brooks won more than Mumme and more importantly left us with a solid foundation and no controversy. Leach left a mess at Texas Tech and of course Kentucky's Air Raid ended in catastrophe. Mumme is good for a laugh and he was innovative enough to approach success but the Air Raid offense that Leach runs did not win here at Kentucky for more than a blip.

And of course we've seen what the Air Raid is like with an inaccurate QB.

 

[Crankdatmustard_rivals66299]

[laughing]


Washington State averages 79 yards rushing a game. How many wins do you think that translates to in the SEC? [sick]

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Leach is a much better coach than Stoops, that is pretty obvious to anyone who knows football. That said, Leach is not available and not coming here.

 

[Kats23]

Hey, my liking the job he has done doesn't mean I want him here now, still fully behind Stoops. If the coaching doesn't match the talent Stoops is bringing in then in three or four years he could be an option for me, not now.

You think Stoops should get 7-8 years before you can decide on if he's the right coach or not for this program? I would take Mike tomorrow.

 

[Levibooty]

Leach is a much better coach than Stoops, that is pretty obvious to anyone who knows football. That said, Leach is not available and not coming here.

I think that is a fair and truthful statement now but I don't know if it will always be the case. Leach is much older and more experienced than Stoops.

 

[Levibooty]

You think Stoops should get 7-8 years before you can decide on if he's the right coach or not for this program? I would take Mike tomorrow.

Brohm said he would need six years. FYI

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Mike Leach is obviously a fine football coach, but he never "almost won a Natty." His best season culminated in a #12 ranking and a two touchdown defeat to a 4 loss SEC team in a bowl. While that is a great season by any standard, the reverence by our fan base for a coach that has never even won a conference title is baffling. He had a good year this year, but after 3 years at WSU he was 12-25. That's almost as good as Stoops is after 3 years here...almost. The obsession is odd.

The obsession is odd indeed. Reading this board, youd think he was Bear Bryant.

 

[Kats23]

Brohm said he would need six years. FYI

One thing for a coach to say that. I mean Butch Jones said the same thing but an administration should be able to decide if the coach is the right fit or not after 4 years.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Good for Leach. I wouldn't have minded him as a HC, but I wasn't voting for him to be though. At TTU he pretty much was an 8 win coach......so I figured since the SEC is tougher (especially the defenses) I figured he'd float around 6-7 wins on any given yr......maybe shoot for 8 every 4-6 yrs. So, my sights were a little higher.

He'd be a much better coach if he cared about defense more. When he was in between jobs, I used to listen to his show on Sirius radio. Yikes, he just doesn't care about defense at all.....he said so just about every day. If he just put forth a little more effort into his defense he'd win much more.

So would you rather have one who doesn't care about defense or offense:football::football::smiley:!

 

[Levibooty]

I think the only question anybody can answer about a coach's overall performance in the present tense is, "Are we heading in the right direction?"

 

[sluggercatfan]

Leach is a much better coach than Stoops, that is pretty obvious to anyone who knows football. That said, Leach is not available and not coming here.

Talked to an ex UK player in Nville after Vandy game that stays in touch with him and told us he would like to gave the UK job...loved Lexington

 

[Shavers48]

Good for Leach. I wouldn't have minded him as a HC, but I wasn't voting for him to be though. At TTU he pretty much was an 8 win coach......so I figured since the SEC is tougher (especially the defenses) I figured he'd float around 6-7 wins on any given yr......maybe shoot for 8 every 4-6 yrs. So, my sights were a little higher.

He'd be a much better coach if he cared about defense more. When he was in between jobs, I used to listen to his show on Sirius radio. Yikes, he just doesn't care about defense at all.....he said so just about every day. If he just put forth a little more effort into his defense he'd win much more.

he was 7th in P12 total defense this year. for not caring about D at all, to me that's pretty solid performance anyway.

 

[greginky1957]

My belief is that the reason Barnhart didn't consider Leach is the fact that Leach sued TT for wrongful dismissal. That will turn most programs against you.

 

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

Mike Leach had a good season. However, he's not playing against good defenses every like he would in the SEC. He had a rough 3 years and now he had a good year. The question is will he be able to keep up or will he fall back to 6-6, 4-8, etc. Only time will tell.

Yes, he's got 2 bowl games in 4 years. One season he had 1 more win than Stoops. He lost that bowl game by the way. Stoops hasn't had his 4th season yet.


I'm not a Leach lover, and I think he's a better coach than Stoops at this point.


By the way, where was this Mike Leach thread last year? You know, after his 3rd season like Stoops just had? Oh, wait, I know, there was none because he was 3-9, losing 6 out of his last 7, and got blown out in several games.

 

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

he was 7th in P12 total defense this year. for not caring about D at all, to me that's pretty solid performance anyway.

And 94th in the NCAA.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

I think the only question anybody can answer about a coach's overall performance in the present tense is, "Are we heading in the right direction?"

Well, can anyone say we are heading in the right direction? I mean objectively? Subjectively I want to still say yes due to recruiting, but as far as in game coaching Stoops has been over his head for 3 years thus far.

And yes, Leach is older by 6 years and has a lot more experience as a HC and has benefitted from NOT having to HC in THE SEC lol that helps.

 

[JDHoss]

Leach was 12-25 after 3 seasons at WSU. Most of the nut jobs here would have been screaming for his head, just like they were at WSU heading into this season, especially after they lost to FCS Portland St.

BTW, he didn't "almost win a Natty" at Tejas Tech. That's like saying you "almost won the Powerball" because you had 4 numbers. The season the OP is raving about ending with Tejas Tech getting steamrolled by OU and getting thumped in the Cotton Bowl by an 8-4 Ole Miss team coached by Houston Nutt.

 

[Shavers48]

And 94th in the NCAA.

guess you're in love with this defensive-minded coach we have here. yeah, this is great.

 

[Kats23]

Leach was 12-25 after 3 seasons at WSU. Most of the nut jobs here would have been screaming for his head, just like they were at WSU heading into this season, especially after they lost to FCS Portland St.

BTW, he didn't "almost win a Natty" at Tejas Tech. That's like saying you "almost won the Powerball" because you had 4 numbers. The season the OP is raving about ending with Tejas Tech getting steamrolled by OU and getting thumped in the Cotton Bowl by an 8-4 Ole Miss team coached by Houston Nutt.

Leach and Stoops and their records, while the same in 3 years, are not parallel to each other. Leach went 3-9 in year 1 and year 3 with a 6-7 record in year 2. Year 4 he goes 8-4. Not sure what happened in year 3 to Leach but if Stoops had gone to a bowl in year 2 and went 5-7 this year, I don't think the vitriol would be as bad. Stoops has his chance in year 4 to right the ship. I just believe he doesn't.

 

[BlueRaider22]

guess you're in love with this defensive-minded coach we have here. yeah, this is great.

Neither he nor I mentioned Stoops at all.

 

[RonEJones]

Leach was 12-25 after 3 seasons at WSU. Most of the nut jobs here would have been screaming for his head, just like they were at WSU heading into this season, especially after they lost to FCS Portland St.

BTW, he didn't "almost win a Natty" at Tejas Tech. That's like saying you "almost won the Powerball" because you had 4 numbers. The season the OP is raving about ending with Tejas Tech getting steamrolled by OU and getting thumped in the Cotton Bowl by an 8-4 Ole Miss team coached by Houston Nutt.

The difference between Stoops and Leach is Leach has proven he can do it. The fanbase would have that to fall back on. He has experience and even though he was losing games, he had control over his team and his teams looked prepared for the most part (I've watched quite a few WSU games since Leach has been there). With how unprepared this team and staff looks, I am not sure Stoops will be able to pull it together. I am hoping for the best but UK is not a job where you learn on the fly and it's showing.

In regard to the "natty", in 2008 tech was 10-0, ranked #2 in the nation and had beaten #1 Texas and #8 Okie St in back to back games. They were most definitely on the cusp of being in the championship game had they not lost to Oklahoma. Yes, they indeed lost to Arkansas in a let down bowl game. But if you thought you were about to play for a natty and end up with Nutt in a bowl game, I can see how they would be hugely disappointed.

By the way, if you think 47-34 is a "thumping" then you don't watch a lot of football.

 

[RonEJones]

The obsession is odd indeed. Reading this board, youd think he was Bear Bryant.

Who is obsessed? Much like Calipari, Barnhart passed on someone who may not be squeaky clean (Leach has a rep for being stubborn and doing what he feels is best regardless of what anyone thinks - i.e. he's not an *** kisser). Leach's issue (Adam James) was just as frivolous as Cal's but some people can't see the forest through the trees.

With that said, the backlash against Leach is odd indeed. Reading this board you'd think he was Joker Phillips.

 

[RonEJones]

Yep. Every Mike Leach fan is nothing more than a fair weather, air raid, entertain me fan. Of course they were all silent while Leach was getting killed the last few years. Theyll be silent again when he loses to the Portland States of the world next season; again.

Leach was 84-43 at Texas Tech (which had fallen off when he got there), 47-33 in the B12, went to 10 bowls and finished in the top 25 5 time out of 10 years. He's also the all-time winningest coach in Tech history and now has been named Pac 12 COtY leading WSU to an 8-4 record and 6-3 conference record while getting them to 2 bowls in 4 years. But people who think he's a helluva coach are just fair weathered, entertain me fans.

He's just getting started, bro..

 

[1Blouman]

PAC 12 thought enough of him to name him Coach of the Year. Wonder if Stoops will ever receive that award.