We have not shot it well any year under Miles. Eventually, you to recruit guys that can put the ball in the hole. White was a very nice piece landed by Miles...yet, he's still our only real deep threat. The other guy who people feared from 3 that helped us land a NCAA bid? Was a Doc Sadler recruit. Can you imagine how bad this team would be without Shavon Shields...another Doc Sadler recruit BTW. Samford may be an okay team...but, we clearly got out coached and the players were asleep for half the time.
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We have not shot it well any year under Miles. Eventually, you to recruit guys that can put the ball in the hole. White was a very nice piece landed by Miles...yet, he's still our only real deep threat. The other guy who people feared from 3 that helped us land a NCAA bid? Was a Doc Sadler recruit. Can you imagine how bad this team would be without Shavon Shields...another Doc Sadler recruit BTW. Samford may be an okay team...but, we clearly got out coached and the players were asleep for half the time.
Everything about the Miles hire at the time looked like (wait for it) a slam dunk. It's pretty confusing that they're still struggling this much in year 4, especially after they made it to the tourney early on.
NU is turning into a graveyard of promising-looking coaching careers.
NU is turning into a graveyard of promising-looking coaching careers.
Are you suggesting that the talent is not improving under Miles? There are lots of things to be concerned about but I don't see how anyone could question the talent improvement. There is more talent coming in next year as well.
I don't think we have played Marrow along side another big all season. He seems like a prototypical 4 man, but is being used solely as an undersized 5 and batting with Hammond and Jacobson for minutes. I get that we want White and Shields out there as much as possible, but if we never slide either to the 2, Morrow will not be very effective this year, IMO.
The only thing I can't understand is why Miles received a 7 year deal. He can recruit fairly well but he can't coach very well. What has he done in his life as a coach that suggests that he should get seven years? 2 4th place finishes in conference and 2 one and dones in the tourney? Starting to seem like NU athletic department is the most incompetent team in any workplace in all of the world? Does NU even teach business? Cause no one in the athletic department has a clue of what the hell they are doing.
Bottom dwellers in basketball and football. Congrats ladies and gentlemen of the athletics department, you are failing at life.
Bottom dwellers in basketball and football. Congrats ladies and gentlemen of the athletics department, you are failing at life.
So is it the coaching that has the program stuck in neutral? If talent keeps improving then what factor is holding the talent back?
I'm confused about Miles...pedigree good, results trended up...and even this year, nice wins over Tennessee and Rhode Island and a respectable loss to Cincinnati...but the losses are baffling to me...
I do think the Athletic Department has a brewing issue with the two biggest revenue producing sports flatlining. Throw baseball in there and the three biggest men's sports area mess. All three sports have people stating to just give each HC more time. All 3 have the financial support, some of the best facilities in the conference/country, yet the results don't match. When do they run out of excuses?
We're told it's because we're young this year. Another yet different excuse for last years failure.
Maybe next year or the year after that or the year after that, wash/rinse/repeat
Not at all...the talent has been upgraded. We are still missing major pieces though...an adequate big man and shooters. White is a great shooter, but..we need more than him especially when you don't have a big man who can score. We also lose Shields this year.....Gill will be a nice piece to the puzzle but I dont think hes a program changer. The rest of the Big 10 can recruit as well...talent alone is not going to win us very many games in the Big 10. I'm concerned the brains behind the X's and O's may have left with Coach Smith.
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Hey Archie - can you please change your name to "Next year" or at least make it a signature quote. All you ever talk about is next year.
1. Do you ever accomplish anything or do you always put it off until next year?
2. Do you mean "next year" in the literal sense or is "next year" a code word for something else that maybe really cool that your keeping from us?
3. Did you pick the nickname Archie Graham to reference to Moonlight's desire to get an MLB at bat but how he had to always wait for "next year"
4. Are you a cubs fan? Is that why your just use to the next year talk?
5. Does next year ever come or do we just refer to "next year" every year?
6. Do you have a "next year's a new beginning " One direction poster on your wall in your bedroom?
7. By chance are you an employer? If so, can I come work for you? I may seem like I am being lazy but I will always promise to be better next year.
8. Do you look at the next year's calendar like some guys look at playboy? (Oh next years a leap year, I bet that's hot stuff to look at)... When people talk about Ms. October, you really mean "the month"
9. Is Next Year the name of some super coach that is going to come in and be the HC of both football and basketball. First Name: Next... Last Name: Year, so when you keep telling us "wait until next year" it's really an amazing coach you think the AD will bring in. Keeping my fingers crossed with this one... MR. Year
10. Is Annie your favorite movie? Do you often sing " tomorrow" ?
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Even when a solid coach comes to UNL, winning is difficult because recruits know Nebraska is a football school, so they opt for Iowa State, Gonzaga or Wichita instead. It is very difficult. Indiana has only had a small run of halfway successful football for that reason, it's a basketball school. New arena, fine coach don't easily overcome Cornhusker tradition. Look at Ku.
This does not fit the narrative. Tim Miles is a great guy and is exactly what this program needs. He will put Nebrasketball on the map. We should thank our lucky stars to have him grace our court.
That was my larger message. At UNL, fans best be very patient with hoops or it will be a circular firing squad outcome. You have a solid coach. Give him time. This is not the Memorial Stadium sport.
Some strong willed Nebraskans will never face the facts. Athletics at NU is ran like the Red Sox were ran before John Henry bought Boston or the way the Cubs were ran before the Ricketts family purchased Chicago. It will take a miracle to over come the barriers that the university creates for itself.
And the circular firing strategy would result in bad losses to Samford, sub .500 seasons, and still no tourney wins?
I do admire NU fans tolerance for pain after they beat their heads against the wall for decades giving coaches more time to beat their heads against the wall.
We are suppose to give that Memorial Stadium Sport Coach a ton of time and be patient too.
Hey Archie - can you please change your name to "Next year" or at least make it a signature quote. All you ever talk about is next year.
1. Do you ever accomplish anything or do you always put it off until next year?
2. Do you mean "next year" in the literal sense or is "next year" a code word for something else that maybe really cool that your keeping from us?
3. Did you pick the nickname Archie Graham to reference to Moonlight's desire to get an MLB at bat but how he had to always wait for "next year"
4. Are you a cubs fan? Is that why your just use to the next year talk?
5. Does next year ever come or do we just refer to "next year" every year?
6. Do you have a "next year's a new beginning " One direction poster on your wall in your bedroom?
7. By chance are you an employer? If so, can I come work for you? I may seem like I am being lazy but I will always promise to be better next year.
8. Do you look at the next year's calendar like some guys look at playboy? (Oh next years a leap year, I bet that's hot stuff to look at)... When people talk about Ms. October, you really mean "the month"
9. Is Next Year the name of some super coach that is going to come in and be the HC of both football and basketball. First Name: Next... Last Name: Year, so when you keep telling us "wait until next year" it's really an amazing coach you think the AD will bring in. Keeping my fingers crossed with this one... MR. Year
10. Is Annie your favorite movie? Do you often sing " tomorrow" ?
I can't believe you wasted ten minutes of your life typing this.
A perfectly valid concern. I guess I just think we have to be realistic about our basketball program. Miles has a reputation as a program builder so I'd find it rather depressing if he couldn't get it done. We will see. I still think he gets 2-3 more years.
I'm dying to hear the specifics that give this opinion its foundation.
Regarding Miles, I wouldn't be concerned if this is year 1 or 2. But this is year 4 and he doesn't seem to be able to coach us up. I see other teams like Samford that have several kids that can shoot. We have maybe 1-2 and they are sometimes scared to shoot. Worse, there is no flow on offense and the kids have to create their own shots. Last night was a perfect example. We get beat twice by kids driving to the basket late in the game. When someone else helps out their man in the corner burns us with two 3 pointers to clinch the loss. As someone else said above, Morrow should be a 4 man- not a 5. Benny should come off the bench if he plays. There are a lot of issues but I think the biggest one is the head coach. He appears to have lost his team already for the 2nd year in a row. And that's not acceptable.
The spending is below the level it needs to be to be a top 15 program. I get it, the hit NU took when it moved conferences is still being felt. It might cost less for things in Nebraska due to COLA but I cant imagine its that much. I'd love to see a P&L strictly on football spending and compare it to Michigan. But I don't have that information.
NU also wastes $ it spends on things it shouldn't. Close to $2 million spent between 4 assistants - Langsdorf, Read, Banker, & Cav. How's that make any sense? Those are like the 4 most criticized coaches on the Staff. It's like when they Sox or the Cubs use to throw $ at washed-up has beens but yet feed the younger more talented players way less. IMO people (especially in sports) should not be paid due to seniority but due on output. It's my opinion, I am sure many of the older posters on this board who fill entitled to more due to age have a different view.
If these 4 coaches I am attacking were high paid officers of a publically traded company and their outputs in their division were below par, then the shareholders would question their salaries at board meetings. So why can't we treat football the same?
Based off your logic Spinner, should NU have cut the basketball program entirely based off output (current or historically)? The 4 coaches mentioned have 1 year at NU yet Miles has 4. What about Erstad?
Football is revenue generating so wouldn't they be allowed a little more leeway? Basketball and baseball are break even at best. I don't have specific data on basketball/baseball, so going off generic statements from others over the years.
Football is revenue generating so wouldn't they be allowed a little more leeway? Basketball and baseball are break even at best. I don't have specific data on basketball/baseball, so going off generic statements from others over the years.
I think it has to be understood that when a coach goes from Colorado State to Big Ten basketball, he has to go after an entirely different kind of kid. His recruiting connections were not with those who produce the four and five star kids. Further, recruiting contact with high level talent now starts when the kids are in 9th and 10th grade - and for some even in junior high. If you aren't Kansas/Kentucky/Louisville, or a coach of a state where elite kids grew up a fan of your school - or maybe a Fred Hoiberg former NBA type, then by the time you become coach at a school that some of these kids might be interested in due to its conference, you are already too late to get to most of the kids that were already in 11th and 12th grade - and even many that were already in 10th grade - when you got your new coaching job. That's why major colleges hiring a mid-major coach may want the new coach to keep an assistant or two who already has/have relationships with elite talent kids? He wasn't recruiting that kind of talent to CSU, because those kids weren't going to CSU no matter how much they liked him. He made some progress this past year, and will probably increase his recruiting success greatly the next couple of years.
All you have to do is look up the road to Creighton. When they went to Big East, they had not spent much time recruiting BE caliber players, because most of those kids whose dad isn't the coach (and even Doug was considered a mid-major project out of HS) simply weren't going to look at a MVC school. So, with the move to BE, they had to revamp their recruiting. They hired a guy who had some recruiting connections to a number of BE caliber players, which helped land a transfer and a BE caliber recruit already. But for the most part, they are still in the process of developing different recruiting connections. They looked for some immediate help, but also focused on the kids that were freshmen and sophomores at that time knowing it would take a number of years to get those kids into the school. Most experts said it would take four to five years to make the move from a recruiting standpoint - particularly given our location in Nebraska. Having the best player in America for the first year eased the transition and partly bridged the gap. But they had to be patient while the relationships they started building anew a few years ago started to pay off. I think the kid out of Chicago (commit, a junior this year), and the guard out of NC (signed this fall)are the first that was truly what they need - three and a half years into the process.
And in response to the post about other coaches and other sports - basketball is an entirely different animal.
All you have to do is look up the road to Creighton. When they went to Big East, they had not spent much time recruiting BE caliber players, because most of those kids whose dad isn't the coach (and even Doug was considered a mid-major project out of HS) simply weren't going to look at a MVC school. So, with the move to BE, they had to revamp their recruiting. They hired a guy who had some recruiting connections to a number of BE caliber players, which helped land a transfer and a BE caliber recruit already. But for the most part, they are still in the process of developing different recruiting connections. They looked for some immediate help, but also focused on the kids that were freshmen and sophomores at that time knowing it would take a number of years to get those kids into the school. Most experts said it would take four to five years to make the move from a recruiting standpoint - particularly given our location in Nebraska. Having the best player in America for the first year eased the transition and partly bridged the gap. But they had to be patient while the relationships they started building anew a few years ago started to pay off. I think the kid out of Chicago (commit, a junior this year), and the guard out of NC (signed this fall)are the first that was truly what they need - three and a half years into the process.
And in response to the post about other coaches and other sports - basketball is an entirely different animal.
Spending on what? I'm assuming not coaches, because you just told us the assistants are overpaid.
I think everyone knew that this was pretty much a rebuilding year after last year. The timing of it kinda sucks but it is what it is. The level of talent is on the rise and more help is on the way.
This year's team only has two legit (consistent) scoring options. A decent offense needs at least three. Plus, more size is needed.
I also wonder how well Shields and Miles mesh together.
This year's team only has two legit (consistent) scoring options. A decent offense needs at least three. Plus, more size is needed.
I also wonder how well Shields and Miles mesh together.
What is holding us back? A tradition. Nebraska's 3 biggest basketball moments:
Winning one Big 8 tournament
Making the NIT Final 4
Winning the NIT
2 of those accomplishments were 3 coaches ago, and one was 4 coaches ago.
Even under Nee, we have never been able to bring in great recruits multiple years in a row.
Our talent is decent, but it's not elite. Our recruits next year include an intriguing 6' 8" wing player, and another PF, who like Morrow, could be good, if he can be a 4 with a serviceable 5 on the line with him, and not be asked to be a 5.
Even great shooters struggle when they don't get the ball in the flow of a good offensive scheme. We flat out struggle to have good ball movement to create easy open shots.
And is that players or scheme? Great shooters can be shut down by great defense, or by an offense that doesn't give their shooters open shots.
We've got a guy on the roster who shattered his high school conference career scoring record, and is a very good jump shooter, but you'd never know it, because the passing is predictable which means he doesn't get open shots. He also apparently doesn't play defense well enough in Miles man only defense.
There are plenty of coaches out there that figure out how to get their shooters on the court, and how to get them open shots.
All of that stuff about the Big Bad East Conference is nonsense. The formerly great basketball conference was gutted. Is it a step up from Creighton's previous conference? Sure, but not a huge one.
Xavier, Butler, and Providence are all in the top 10. Nova is currently 17th. Guess we will see come March.
Basketball has changed a lot over the past few years. The rules have changed to limit contact and open up the the game, which means shooting ability is the number 1 thing people need to be looking at in recruits. Look at Golden State, the team is stacked with elite shooters that can move the ball, they don't even need a big man. Miles' style of play is about getting to the rack, getting to the line and playing great man to man defense. I don't think this style of play is lined up well with the future of basketball. We have to get great shooters in our program yesterday and that includes big men that can rebound and spread the floor. The days of Jordan's Bulls and the Bad Boy Piston's beating the crap out of you are long gone. If Nebraska doesn't completely change ther is no chance of us being succesfull. the game has moved past Miles' style of play and he either needs to change or we need to move on.