Mitch Carmichael

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You do realize teachers and public employees can vote their bosses out of office, right? Thus the reason they shouldn't have unions.

They can vote our their bosses? Principals? Are you talking about local school board? Superintendent?
 

spartansstink

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This also should go for the coal miner's union also.

It's a large reason WV has been out distanced by its "right to work" neighbors in nearly every economic trait for the past 50+ years.

A teacher's pay is based on the income the state and locality take in. A business owner would be crazy to put down roots in a unionized state when it neighbors are more business friendly.

Thus, you have multiple businesses, especially in the border counties, that just move across the state line to open shop.

All of this has only recently changed and now WV is starting to see the benefits. However, with the border states having higher pay and better benefits, the best of the best get hired there and WV sadly gets the leftovers. That's why they want and need the union - it protects them from being fired for incompetence.

Try representing the county or state in one of these proceedings. Short of all-out abuse, criminal behavior, or molestation, the costs alone are prohibitive. They are simply left in place to wreck the education of an entire generation of students.
 
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All of this has only recently changed and now WV is starting to see the benefits.



West Virginia is the second-poorest state in the United States of America.
 

spartansstink

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West Virginia is the second-poorest state in the United States of America.

Has been for decades. Always near the top of best of the worst.

Why? What was the common theme for all of those years?

State governments tied to unions.

Crush the unions, watch WV move up in the rankings. It is starting now but you can't erase 160 years of malfeasance in just a couple of years.
 
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Has been for decades. Always near the top of best of the worst.

Why? What was the common theme for all of those years?

State governments tied to unions.

Crush the unions, watch WV move up in the rankings. It is starting now but you can't erase 160 years of malfeasance in just a couple of years.

Minnesota with the second lowest unemployment in the country. They have unions and they have had Democratic state leadership.
 

tOSUGrad90

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**** for brains Talcum X is singing the praises of leftists who just allowed their biggest city to be razed to the ground and large scale looting to occur. Yeah, Minnesota's unemployment rate won't skyrocket.

HAHAHAHAHA
 
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**** for brains Talcum X is singing the praises of leftists who just allowed their biggest city to be razed to the ground and large scale looting to occur. Yeah, Minnesota's unemployment rate won't skyrocket.

HAHAHAHAHA

And yet their employment and wages and education are all much better than WV's.

hahahahahaha

 

spartansstink

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Minnesota with the second lowest unemployment in the country. They have unions and they have had Democratic state leadership.

Minnesota isn't WV. Their problems aren't WV's problems. You can't compare the two as they are so different in so many ways - geographically, economically, etc.

To be fair, you can only compare WV with its neighbors that have similar problems just as you can't compare Florida with Alaska.

But when a state has been totally beholden to the unions, through both Republican and Democratic administrations, while its neighbors have seen financial improvements through right-to-work, you know the reasons why.

Have you tried to open a business in WV? The amount of B&O taxes, red tape, and other restrictions makes it cost prohibitive when you can go across the line and get an easier and better deal.

Who loses? West Virginians... and they have for generations.
 

tOSUGrad90

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Businesses are already announcing departures from the hell hole in Minnesota that had 220 or so buildings burned to the ground. The Mayor, Governor, and radical A.G., all of whom are Democrats, will get what is coming to them. Let's see what those unemployment numbers look like in a couple of months.
 
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Minnesota isn't WV. Their problems aren't WV's problems. You can't compare the two as they are so different in so many ways - geographically, economically, etc.

To be fair, you can only compare WV with its neighbors that have similar problems just as you can't compare Florida with Alaska.

But when a state has been totally beholden to the unions, through both Republican and Democratic administrations, while its neighbors have seen financial improvements through right-to-work, you know the reasons why.

Have you tried to open a business in WV? The amount of B&O taxes, red tape, and other restrictions makes it cost prohibitive when you can go across the line and get an easier and better deal.

Who loses? West Virginians... and they have for generations.

The Republican state legislature passed right-to-work in WV. It hasn't done ****, moron. They passed the elimination of prevailing wage. It hasn't done ****, moron.

Yes, I was a business owner in WV. There wasn't a lot of red tape and I can't complain about the amount of taxes I paid. I made good money.

Republicans control the House, Senate and Governor's office in WV but they want to focus on making the Bible the state book and other stupid ****. Republicans have controlled the state legislature for 5 years now. They haven't made the state better. In fact, it is worse. We are losing population - for the first time in 52 years. Over the last three years, the average income for WVians has went down 1% while the US has went up 4.77%.
 

spartansstink

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You'd made better money in another state. May be why you're depressed, emotional, and negative about everything. You can't change decades of failure overnight. May be why you STILL aren't in business - you don't understand how it works.

You open a business in another state? Compared the two? Nope....

We are losing population because, due to unionization and their cronies in Charleston, we have no businesses to keep the best of the best we grow here in the state. Has been an ongoing problem for years. Our kids have to and choose to move off to other states to make their livings - those that survived the unionized school system. Some may come back for retirement in xty years, most won't. So, what is left now? People who have retired, moved in to retire, and folks with little or no hope for any type of sound financial future due to a horrible school systems run by union teachers. Then a few of the rest, but not nearly enough.

All because of unionization. Bad choices were made in the past. We've finally gotten a legislature and governor that are willing to make changes. Changes too long in the making.
 

tOSUGrad90

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St. Paul's mayor, a Democrat, is sitting idly by as rioters are destroying statues in the other Twin City tonight. Only Talcum X thinks that Minnesota is utopia.
 

wvu2007

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Countryroads89 is getting DESTROYED in this thread. No wonder his hair left him just like his wife.
 

WVUALLEN

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This also should go for the coal miner's union also.

It's a large reason WV has been out distanced by its "right to work" neighbors in nearly every economic trait for the past 50+ years.

A teacher's pay is based on the income the state and locality take in. A business owner would be crazy to put down roots in a unionized state when it neighbors are more business friendly.

Thus, you have multiple businesses, especially in the border counties, that just move across the state line to open shop.

All of this has only recently changed and now WV is starting to see the benefits. However, with the border states having higher pay and better benefits, the best of the best get hired there and WV sadly gets the leftovers. That's why they want and need the union - it protects them from being fired for incompetence.

Try representing the county or state in one of these proceedings. Short of all-out abuse, criminal behavior, or molestation, the costs alone are prohibitive. They are simply left in place to wreck the education of an entire generation of students.

West Virginia Supreme Court Upholds Right-to-Work Law
Wednesday, April 22, 2020

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/west-virginia-supreme-court-upholds-right-to-work-law

The court rejected the unions’ argument that the right-to-work law denies a union the ability to compel non-members to pay the union dues and thereby infringes upon a union’s right to freely associate. Rather, the court wrote the law “operates to protect the right of workers to not be forced to associate against their will.” The court relied upon United States Supreme Court precedent from 2018, which held an Illinois statute that authorized public-sector unions to assess compelled dues violated the employees’ First Amendment rights. The West Virginia Supreme Court wrote, “By striking down the Illinois compelled-dues statute, the Court highlighted the importance of protecting the rights of workers to be free from financially supporting labor organizations whose views they do not share. The fact that forcing private workers to subsidize a labor organization may not implicate matters of substantial public concern at the same level as the public workers at issue in Janus, we find this distinction of no moment. Simply put, [t]he differences between public – and private – sector collective bargaining do not translate into differences in First Amendment rights.”

Similarly, the court rejected the unions’ argument that the right-to-work law forced unions to perform valuable services for non-dues-paying non-members. The unions argued that by compelling them to financially support “free-riders,” the law takes the union’s money to assist employees who pay nothing to the union. The court concluded that nothing in the right-to-work law required unions to represent non-dues-paying employees. Rather, federal law requires unions to represent employees when the union voluntarily chooses to represent all employees exclusively, and that is the union’s choice.

Finally, the court rejected the union’s argument that unions’ liberty interests were infringed because they were forced to represent non-dues-paying employees employing similar analysis.
 

Kazzman

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Mitch Carmichael stood in the way of every teacher pay raise and was hated by the teachers, period, Dems and Republicans both.
 
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It was a republican governor, GOP house and GOP senate that voted to give them the increase, so you are correct for once.

And the Republican state Attorney General threatened to support the firing of any teacher striking. Damn, you are a moron.
 

dave

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And the Republican state Attorney General threatened to support the firing of any teacher striking. Damn, you are a moron.
Nobody got fired little lady. The GOP paid the teachers and now I get to punk your ***** *** around about it because that is what I do.
 
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Nobody got fired little lady. The GOP paid the teachers and now I get to punk your ***** *** around about it because that is what I do.

You are a moron. You don't punk anyone. hahahahahahaha

The entire board knows you are moron, pretend engineer. LMAO! How pathetic.
 

dave

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You are a moron. You don't punk anyone. hahahahahahaha

The entire board knows you are moron, pretend engineer. LMAO! How pathetic.
And yet here you are being my *****. Making you dance. Mocking you while you claim to ignore 90% of my posts. You stupid little lady.