Mo Barry

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Lets say you come into a company as a manager
Are you the next coming of one of the greatest managers in the business or just an average manager? If you're slated as one of the top managers in the business & are paid like one, then you should have that office at least better than your predecessor.
 

dinglefritz

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Remember on this board when it was said that the players didn't buy into Riley and that made Riley a really crappy coach? Now it's being said here that players apparently aren't buying into Frost which, if people were consistent, then they'd also think Frost wasn't a great coach, but nope... It's the players fault now.

Also it was said here that Frost was an amazing coach and he'll get the players to buy into what he's selling. We'll at least always have great effort. Now apparently he's not getting many to buy in?

Odd....
We've got some freshmen and some sophs with a whole bunch of want to. That and improved O line and linebacker recruiting is going to go a long way to fixing our problems I'M HOPING. That's all we have at this point is hope. We hired a bright highly regarded young coach who's had great success at EVERYTHING he's done and wants to be at Nebraska. It's just a matter of time.
 

dinglefritz

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Are you the next coming of one of the greatest managers in the business or just an average manager? If you're slated as one of the top managers in the business & are paid like one, then you should have that office at least better than your predecessor.
I believe that Frost IS IN FACT running the office better than his predecessor. Part of the issue is that his predecessor didn't recruit the kind of employees to make the office successful. IF we still had Riley and Diaco do you think we would be in better shape now than we are win wise? Your posts would say you do.
 

Ewooc

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Are you the next coming of one of the greatest managers in the business or just an average manager? If you're slated as one of the top managers in the business & are paid like one, then you should have that office at least better than your predecessor.
I can't argue that, 2 years in and husker football is in the same shape or worse as it was under MR.
 

dinglefritz

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I can't argue that, 2 years in and husker football is in the same shape or worse as it was under MR.
There can be a lot more intertia in a football program than their is in an office setting. Employees want to keep their jobs. Scholarship football players who only want to do enough to just get by get to keep their scholarships. Largely they even get to keep their jobs UNLESS you can recruit somebody better than them. That's what Frost is in the process of doing.
 

Solana Beach Husker

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Are you the next coming of one of the greatest managers in the business or just an average manager? If you're slated as one of the top managers in the business & are paid like one, then you should have that office at least better than your predecessor.

This isn't a business...this is more like a trade union where the employees are protected by labor laws and can't be fired unless they break a short list of very specific rules. And it is effected dramatically by human nature. Human in large groups will follow two courses:

1. They will work together for the betterment of the group as long as winning is an option(Fans follow a team)

2. They will burn the whole f-ing thing to ground just to watch the bright light (fans threaten a coaches life because the team loses)

Players do the same...they will buy in as long as it suits them but the moment they deem they are no longer entertained or bought in...they will attempt to burn it to the ground.
 

Mack In Motion

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Maybe Mo is trying to deflect attention away from people talking about his questionable play.

Maybe. Or it could be true that that some players are on their third / fourth/ fifth coordinator / position coach are playing out the string.

It's probably one or the other.
 

Ewooc

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There can be a lot more intertia in a football program than their is in an office setting. Employees want to keep their jobs. Scholarship football players who only want to do enough to just get by get to keep their scholarships. Largely they even get to keep their jobs UNLESS you can recruit somebody better than them. That's what Frost is in the process of doing.
What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall during coaches only meetings.
 

HuskerO58

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We've got some freshmen and some sophs with a whole bunch of want to. That and improved O line and linebacker recruiting is going to go a long way to fixing our problems I'M HOPING. That's all we have at this point is hope. We hired a bright highly regarded young coach who's had great success at EVERYTHING he's done and wants to be at Nebraska. It's just a matter of time.
I agree 100%.

I'm just pointing the sudden change in exceptions in terms of "getting players to buy in" between 2 coaches.
 

HuskerO58

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This isn't a business...this is more like a trade union where the employees are protected by labor laws and can't be fired unless they break a short list of very specific rules. And it is effected dramatically by human nature. Human in large groups will follow two courses:

1. They will work together for the betterment of the group as long as winning is an option(Fans follow a team)

2. They will burn the whole f-ing thing to ground just to watch the bright light (fans threaten a coaches life because the team loses)

Players do the same...they will buy in as long as it suits them but the moment they deem they are no longer entertained or bought in...they will attempt to burn it to the ground.
Who brought up the office example? That's what I was responding to.
 

Jhollenbeck41

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It is mind boggling to me why Frost is not sitting these players that are not trying. There is no logic at all. The only reasoning I can come up with is Frost knows the guys are checked out, he knows the season is over. He is preparing for the next year and the future and doesn't want to risk injuring his young guys talented guys....... Then if that was true, why is he still playing Wandale? So who knows.
Honestly kind of have to play Wandale at this point in order to score enough points to make it a game.....
 

HuskerO58

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I believe that Frost IS IN FACT running the office better than his predecessor. Part of the issue is that his predecessor didn't recruit the kind of employees to make the office successful. IF we still had Riley and Diaco do you think we would be in better shape now than we are win wise? Your posts would say you do.
In terms of "buying in" it's apparently not any better. I honestly expect more out of Frost than Riley because Frost is the better coach by far or that's at least what many here were touting when comparing Frost vs Riley. It's still a true statement I guess, but Riley wasn't afforded the same excuses in year 2 than what Frost is being afforded now.

And that's fine if people would just admit they're biased. But they don't so I feel compelled to bring it up...

Riley was done for once Diaco was hired. Nothing was going to get better. Now if Banker were around instead of Diaco then Riley may still be here.
 

Sporty

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How many people wonder if handling of personnel is not causing some of these problems? Last season was the QB situation and Gebbia leaving . Martinez having a good season sort of took care of the problem midway thru the season. This year the way the Washington situation along with Washington's actions and how Frost handled it has caused some problems amongst the rank and file also! Favortism and not treating all players the same always causes problems!

Frost statements about the guys he did not recruit add to the problem. There are several more incidents I can point out but.. There are quite a few players on the team that feel Frost is not playing the best at each position! And I am even talking starters who feel they are have not earned their positions. This is a major problem.. Can it be straightened out? I do not believe it can this season now. Quite a few players have already put it on cruise control and yes that includes some of Frost's recruits. Let's just hope that the incoming recruiting class is not affected to much!
 

HUSKERFAN66

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I don't think it's black and white or all or nothing. What we see is on individual plays a guy might not go all out like Jackson on the TD pass play to the TE. He ASSUMED his teammates would make the tackle and didn't get his *** over there to make sure. Was that a bad attitude or just mistaken confidence in his brothers? Was Farniok's missed block a half assed play or was it just a lack of ability to get there? I'm not seeing the lack of effort thing. I see guys who are frustrated at their own and teammate's mistakes. I thought for the most part we played pretty hard against Purdue but our guys HAVE to learn to finish plays. Get to the next level and make that extra block. Make sure a guy is down before you assume he's down.
The end of your post seems like lack of effort as opposed to playing hard. We started the game pretty well, but you could see it slipping away in the second qtr
 

Jhollenbeck41

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How many people wonder if handling of personnel is not causing some of these problems? Last season was the QB situation and Gebbia leaving . Martinez having a good season sort of took care of the problem midway thru the season. This year the way the Washington situation along with Washington's actions and how Frost handled it has caused some problems amongst the rank and file also! Favortism and not treating all players the same always causes problems!

Frost statements about the guys he did not recruit add to the problem. There are several more incidents I can point out but.. There are quite a few players on the team that feel Frost is not playing the best at each position! And I am even talking starters who feel they are have not earned their positions. This is a major problem.. Can it be straightened out? I do not believe it can this season now. Quite a few players have already put it on cruise control and yes that includes some of Frost's recruits. Let's just hope that the incoming recruiting class is not affected to much!
Do you know this for a fact or just opinions?
 

Jhollenbeck41

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In terms of "buying in" it's apparently not any better. I honestly expect more out of Frost than Riley because Frost is the better coach by far or that's at least what many here were touting when comparing Frost vs Riley. It's still a true statement I guess, but Riley wasn't afforded the same excuses in year 2 than what Frost is being afforded now.

And that's fine if people would just admit they're biased. But they don't so I feel compelled to bring it up...

Riley was done for once Diaco was hired. Nothing was going to get better. Now if Banker were around instead of Diaco then Riley may still be here.
I'm 100% biased without a doubt.
 

Sporty

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I will stand with my previous statements on this very board and my accuracy!
 

Ewooc

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The 2015 recruiting class has been to hell and back for this program yet they get no love from our fanbase. GARBAGE!

-These guys were recruited to play for Pelini. He gets fired at the end of their recruiting cycle. They still stay committed to us!
-They are essentially on their 3rd Head Coach and stay loyal to the program.
-They all have had countless different position coaches over their 5 years yet they've stayed loyal.
-They see countless teammates quit the program over their 5 years yet these guys never wavered!
(Their are only 8 of 21 commits from 2015 still on the roster. Some are out of eligibility but most quit.)
-They have only seen 1 winning season in their 5 years yet they keep fighting!


Every coaching change, every teammate quiting, every new scheme, every new workout program, every new set of rules to follow, only made it tougher for our guys to max out their potential yet they hear so much crap from our base about how they are doing enough or don't care enough. GARBAGE!!!

Win or lose, Support our guys!!
Lets not pretend these guys are all here for the university, the football program, or the fans. Some very well might be, my guess is most of them see it as to much of a hassle to transfer vs staying put for another year or 2, getting their degree free and clear and moving on with their lives. Assuming these guys are smart, most know they will never play football again after here. There is no point to transfer out, or work their asses off in an attempt to get to the next level. They are here and playing football to get their degree, probably as simple and nothing more as that.
 

kbowe1sat

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The moment Frost stepped on campus, the players on the roster became his players and the responsibility for the program was all on him. It's a joke that we're still blaming Riley near the end of year 2 of a different coach.
Absolutely true ! No excuses ! Man-up ! Softness is a recipe for failure !