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It's still 9 - 7 at the half. Montini plays a recording of a horse whinny over the PA whenever it does something positive. Reminds me of "Young Frankenstein."
 
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This is not the same Montini team that started the season. Everything is going right for Montini, an approx 90 yard drive and Mt. Carmel has no ability to slow Montini down.
 
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Montini's demise has been greatly exaggerated. Maybe we should be talking about the demise of Mt. Carmel. 4 losses by less than 7 points?
 

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Montini was not a good team at the beginning of the season but they have turned it around. Mt. Carmel is a good team but it was Montini's night.
 
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This is the WORST MC defense I've seen since 2003...maybe ever....I had no idea losing Griffith would hurt them so much, they can not cover the pass....and they have no heart....this Montini team is beat up, their QB goes out and they still win....very poor year for MC defense...I don't see them beating Providence next week because they won't stop Warfield.....frustrating
 
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This is the WORST MC defense I've seen since 2003...maybe ever....I had no idea losing Griffith would hurt them so much, they can not cover the pass....and they have no heart....this Montini team is beat up, their QB goes out and they still win....very poor year for MC defense...I don't see them beating Providence next week because they won't stop Warfield.....frustrating
They're young. Did Thomas play majority of snaps?
 

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I counted 7 MC Seniors on D and 7 on O - so they don't have a ton of youth starting. MC is in a world of hurt if Thomas decides to focus on baseball only next year. MC should still beat Provy and keep the playoff streak alive
 
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I thought MC played well. This was just Montini's night.

MCHS made some adjustments. MCHS also played almost a flawless game and QB Morrissey did well. Pirog is looking great like he did soph year with 2 great games in a row, #26 gets 2 big TD's at RB and West played great. The Montini OL and DL played much better than I expected.

This game was the "Johnny Always Win Game", "Win One for Coach A's mother who just passed away yesterday" and when the final Montini drive of the game started I had a feeling it was Montini's night with "The full moon sitting above the winning end zone ".

More later, I need sleep

Wassup
 
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Montini was not a good team at the beginning of the season but they have turned it around. Mt. Carmel is a good team but it was Montini's night.
Mt Carmel isn't really that good, but I guess that depends on your definition of good.
 

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Mt Carmel isn't really that good, but I guess that depends on your definition of good.

So this team that hung with BR and LA is a pushover? Tell me what your definition of good is, so I can gauge what I should tell people about that little school on 64th and Dante.
 
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I think MC is a good team, there's just something missing - an intangible of sorts - that always defined MC teams - I can't put finger on it.
 

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LA 35 MC 28 9/9
FEN 38 MCHS 6 9/9
LA 52 FEN 14 9/23
BR 49 MC 42 9/30

All I am really stating is that Montini is a different team last night than they were in earlier in the season and by any measure MC is a good team that have played better teams.
MC is not as dominant as they were in the recent past, but they have not been blown out by any team.
 
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He didn't say "pushover". That's a straw man argument. He said not very good. And by MC standards, that's probably fair. They are 4-4 and on the verge of elimination from the playoffs, and haven't beaten a halfway decent team this season. Maybe if they can beat Providence it'll be fair to call them a good team at that point. Like TPF said, just depends on your definition of "good"

Fair enough. Let's do an exercise. What's MCs record if they play LT's schedule, or Naz's, or Benet's? My point here is that to dismiss MC is not a wise move. They will likely make some team miserable in the playoffs.
 

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Fair enough. Let's do an exercise. What's MCs record if they play LT's schedule, or Naz's, or Benet's? My point here is that to dismiss MC is not a wise move. They will likely make some team miserable in the playoffs.
I believe Mt Carmel would be undefeated in the ESCC.
 
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LA 35 MC 28 9/9
FEN 38 MCHS 6 9/9
LA 52 FEN 14 9/23
BR 49 MC 42 9/30

All I am really stating is that Montini is a different team last night than they were in earlier in the season and by any measure MC is a good team that have played better teams.
MC is not as dominant as they were in the recent past, but they have not been blown out by any team.

Perfect. To say MC is not good is oversimplification. Not good if you compare them against other MC teams? Sure. There's quite a bit of history you're working against right there. 3 close losses, 2 against arguably 2 of the best teams in the state, 1 against your rival.
 

Topiarydan1

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Perfect. To say MC is not good is oversimplification. Not good if you compare them against other MC teams? Sure. There's quite a bit of history you're working against right there. 3 close losses, 2 against arguably 2 of the best teams in the state, 1 against your rival.
DEAN - come off the ledge - all is going to be ok. We need a summary of your take on the game and above
 

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This is now the second time you've deliberately misquoted what TPF said to take it out of context. Again a straw man argument. You have converted him saying MC "isn't really that good" into "not good" whatsoever. I think we'd all agree those two meanings are very different. I'm not sure the point of distorting his actual quote (twice now), which again seems pretty spot on given the context. If you read it properly, by saying they aren't THAT good, it is assumed that MC is a good team. Just not THAT good. Somehow, you keep trying to turn that into "MC is a bad team"

We are all actually mostly in agreement here. As TPF and I both said, it depends on your definition of "good" which is very vague.

As far as MC being a tough 5-4 team in the playoffs? Of course. I agree 100%.... if they make the playoffs. So you are guaranteeing a MC win on the road at Providence?

Well let's establish what "good" means. Wasn't my post, so @TPF523 needs to set the bar. And yes, they beat Providence this week.
 
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Fair enough. Let's do an exercise. What's MCs record if they play LT's schedule, or Naz's, or Benet's? My point here is that to dismiss MC is not a wise move. They will likely make some team miserable in the playoffs.
Another way to look at it is LT, Naz or Benet would, at worst, have the same record as MC. All three would have have beaten the juggernauts that are Taft, Gary West, De Paul and De La Salle. I also believe some would have beaten Rita. MC's claim to fame this year is they've played good teams close. They have been severely overrated all year.
 

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As TPF and I both said, it depends on your definition of "good" which is very vague.
Come on Guido, we know what this is about. For some reason TPF wants to denigrate Montini's win against MC. Once I played "fun with football scores" you would rather continue to argue about the definition of "good". I still maintain, that if you look at MC's record against some of the best teams in the state, MC is a good football team, no matter how you define "good".
 
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JFelice

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Come on Guido, we know what this is about. For some reason TPF wants to denigrate Montini's win against MC. Once I played "fun with football scores" you would rather continue to argue about the definition of "good". I still maintain, that if you look at MC's record against some of the best teams in the state, MC is a good football team, no matter how you define "good".

I'll respond to the rest of this thread later but wow! Also why on Earth do I care about Montini? We already beat you 38-6. Actually a Montini win against a "good" Mt Carmel team only makes Fenwick look better, so perceptually it would make more sense to paint Mt Carmel as a "good" team.
 
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Who cares about this anymore.

Playoffs are soon to begin. Everyone is now 0-0 and Good Luck to Everyone!

I will be rooting for all the CCL teams!

Wassup
 
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I'll respond to the rest of this thread later but wow! Also why on Earth do I care about Montini? We already beat you 38-6. Actually a Montini win against a "good" Mt Carmel team only makes Fenwick look better, so perceptually it would make more sense to paint Mt Carmel as a "good" team.
Fenwick is a very good team and they beat Montini badly. Can't take that away from them but as other people on the forum has said Montini has definitely turned it around and IMHO is not the same team Fenwick played. For one thing our play calling has been a heck of a lot better and the coaches are maximizing a lot of different players who didn't get the ball on offense in the Fenwick game. Secondly, on the defensive side of the ball we have definitely improved again with players who didn't play or didn't play much. Still think Fenwick would have beat us with Keller at QB but probably not by such a big margin.
 

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Fenwick is a very good team and they beat Montini badly. Can't take that away from them but as other people on the forum has said Montini has definitely turned it around and IMHO is not the same team Fenwick played. For one thing our play calling has been a heck of a lot better and the coaches are maximizing a lot of different players who didn't get the ball on offense in the Fenwick game. Secondly, on the defensive side of the ball we have definitely improved again with players who didn't play or didn't play much. Still think Fenwick would have beat us with Keller at QB but probably not by such a big margin.

Your probably right, I'm only respsonding to the guy that claims I am trying to denigrate Montini's win. My intent isn't to rub salt, clearly you guys have improved, but rather my intent is to prove the point of why would I try to downgrade Montini's win? If anything I'd look to make it a bigger deal. That's a good win for Montini, I just don't buy into Mt Carmel behind all that good. They are 4-4 and haven't beaten anyone that is worth a damn. Close loses to good teams does not qualify a team as a "good team" to me. My Carmel is of course dangerous and no 9-0 team will want to draw them but being dangerous and being a good team are very different to me.
 
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Gene K.

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Montini's demise has been greatly exaggerated. Maybe we should be talking about the demise of Mt. Carmel. 4 losses by less than 7 points?
Mt. Carmel is a very good football team. Their QB Alec Thomas would be a stud on any football team. If I am correct he didn't play QB for the 1st or 2nd game. If I am wrong let me know. When you lose four games by less than 7 points against some of the best teams in the state, IMO Mt. Carmel will be a tough opponent with whoever they face. Good luck to Mt. Carmel in the playoffs.