@DeanOfSelection, I'm on the deck above the concession stand.
Gooms
Montini was not a good team at the beginning of the season but they have turned it around. Mt. Carmel is a good team but it was Montini's night.
They're young. Did Thomas play majority of snaps?This is the WORST MC defense I've seen since 2003...maybe ever....I had no idea losing Griffith would hurt them so much, they can not cover the pass....and they have no heart....this Montini team is beat up, their QB goes out and they still win....very poor year for MC defense...I don't see them beating Providence next week because they won't stop Warfield.....frustrating
Yes switch him out in 4th to flanker to try and get him ball in spaceThey're young. Did Thomas play majority of snaps?
Mt Carmel isn't really that good, but I guess that depends on your definition of good.Gooms
Montini was not a good team at the beginning of the season but they have turned it around. Mt. Carmel is a good team but it was Montini's night.
Mt Carmel isn't really that good, but I guess that depends on your definition of good.
He didn't say "pushover". That's a straw man argument. He said not very good. And by MC standards, that's probably fair. They are 4-4 and on the verge of elimination from the playoffs, and haven't beaten a halfway decent team this season. Maybe if they can beat Providence it'll be fair to call them a good team at that point. Like TPF said, just depends on your definition of "good"
I believe Mt Carmel would be undefeated in the ESCC.Fair enough. Let's do an exercise. What's MCs record if they play LT's schedule, or Naz's, or Benet's? My point here is that to dismiss MC is not a wise move. They will likely make some team miserable in the playoffs.
LA 35 MC 28 9/9
FEN 38 MCHS 6 9/9
LA 52 FEN 14 9/23
BR 49 MC 42 9/30
All I am really stating is that Montini is a different team last night than they were in earlier in the season and by any measure MC is a good team that have played better teams.
MC is not as dominant as they were in the recent past, but they have not been blown out by any team.
DEAN - come off the ledge - all is going to be ok. We need a summary of your take on the game and abovePerfect. To say MC is not good is oversimplification. Not good if you compare them against other MC teams? Sure. There's quite a bit of history you're working against right there. 3 close losses, 2 against arguably 2 of the best teams in the state, 1 against your rival.
This is now the second time you've deliberately misquoted what TPF said to take it out of context. Again a straw man argument. You have converted him saying MC "isn't really that good" into "not good" whatsoever. I think we'd all agree those two meanings are very different. I'm not sure the point of distorting his actual quote (twice now), which again seems pretty spot on given the context. If you read it properly, by saying they aren't THAT good, it is assumed that MC is a good team. Just not THAT good. Somehow, you keep trying to turn that into "MC is a bad team"
We are all actually mostly in agreement here. As TPF and I both said, it depends on your definition of "good" which is very vague.
As far as MC being a tough 5-4 team in the playoffs? Of course. I agree 100%.... if they make the playoffs. So you are guaranteeing a MC win on the road at Providence?
My suggestion is that mchsalumni go back and "Clintonize" his posts.
Clintonize = delete and acid wash
Wassup
Another way to look at it is LT, Naz or Benet would, at worst, have the same record as MC. All three would have have beaten the juggernauts that are Taft, Gary West, De Paul and De La Salle. I also believe some would have beaten Rita. MC's claim to fame this year is they've played good teams close. They have been severely overrated all year.Fair enough. Let's do an exercise. What's MCs record if they play LT's schedule, or Naz's, or Benet's? My point here is that to dismiss MC is not a wise move. They will likely make some team miserable in the playoffs.
Come on Guido, we know what this is about. For some reason TPF wants to denigrate Montini's win against MC. Once I played "fun with football scores" you would rather continue to argue about the definition of "good". I still maintain, that if you look at MC's record against some of the best teams in the state, MC is a good football team, no matter how you define "good".As TPF and I both said, it depends on your definition of "good" which is very vague.
... by Bill ? I think Bill did a lot more than that.Better than being groped and grabbed.
Come on Guido, we know what this is about. For some reason TPF wants to denigrate Montini's win against MC. Once I played "fun with football scores" you would rather continue to argue about the definition of "good". I still maintain, that if you look at MC's record against some of the best teams in the state, MC is a good football team, no matter how you define "good".
Fenwick is a very good team and they beat Montini badly. Can't take that away from them but as other people on the forum has said Montini has definitely turned it around and IMHO is not the same team Fenwick played. For one thing our play calling has been a heck of a lot better and the coaches are maximizing a lot of different players who didn't get the ball on offense in the Fenwick game. Secondly, on the defensive side of the ball we have definitely improved again with players who didn't play or didn't play much. Still think Fenwick would have beat us with Keller at QB but probably not by such a big margin.I'll respond to the rest of this thread later but wow! Also why on Earth do I care about Montini? We already beat you 38-6. Actually a Montini win against a "good" Mt Carmel team only makes Fenwick look better, so perceptually it would make more sense to paint Mt Carmel as a "good" team.
Fenwick is a very good team and they beat Montini badly. Can't take that away from them but as other people on the forum has said Montini has definitely turned it around and IMHO is not the same team Fenwick played. For one thing our play calling has been a heck of a lot better and the coaches are maximizing a lot of different players who didn't get the ball on offense in the Fenwick game. Secondly, on the defensive side of the ball we have definitely improved again with players who didn't play or didn't play much. Still think Fenwick would have beat us with Keller at QB but probably not by such a big margin.
Mt. Carmel is a very good football team. Their QB Alec Thomas would be a stud on any football team. If I am correct he didn't play QB for the 1st or 2nd game. If I am wrong let me know. When you lose four games by less than 7 points against some of the best teams in the state, IMO Mt. Carmel will be a tough opponent with whoever they face. Good luck to Mt. Carmel in the playoffs.Montini's demise has been greatly exaggerated. Maybe we should be talking about the demise of Mt. Carmel. 4 losses by less than 7 points?
Until next week when they'd lose to Marist.I believe Mt Carmel would be undefeated in the ESCC.
Until next week when they'd lose to Marist.