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KingLando

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If anything Franklin leaving should have made him want to come here more but it's all good. Why would anyone stay committed without knowing the coach?
 
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Catch1lion

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Depending on the coaching hire and whatever coaches are retained things could swing back the other way. Plus, maybe the coach will bring some of his commitments from his current school with him. Certainly could end up being a bad year for recruiting and have to use those slots for next year.
In basketball, Kentucky had a similar situation when Calapari split for Arkansas. It’ll take two years to stabilize .
 
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LB99

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Catch1lion said:
Depending on the coaching hire and whatever coaches are retained things could swing back the other way. Plus, maybe the coach will bring some of his commitments from his current school with him. Certainly could end up being a bad year for recruiting and have to use those slots for next year.
In basketball, Kentucky had a similar situation when Calapari split for Arkansas. It’ll take two years to stabilize .
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Signing day is in December for 26 class (which all of PSU’s commits are looking elsewhere or decommitting). If a new coach isn’t hired by then, it’s going to be daunting job for the new coach to pull in any semblance of a recruiting class. The 27 class is all gone and the current roster will be able to portal out. So, the new coach will have to start hitting the portal hard immediately on day 1 and then try to mend fences with 27 recruits and establish relationships to bring in a 27 class while being way behind. It’s going to be an uphill battle right from the start.
 
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Marshall2323

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LB99 said:
Signing day is in December for 26 class.If a new coach isn’t hired by then, it’s going to be daunting job for the new coach to pull in any semblance of a recruiting class. The 27 class is all gone and the current roster will be able to portal out. So, the new coach will have to start hitting the portal hard immediately on day 1 and then try to mend fences with 27 recruits and establish relationships to bring in a 27 class while being way behind. It’s going to be an uphill battle right from the start.
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Back to the future 2012.
 
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BCS PSU

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Paws057 said:
If the last coach would have hit the portal hard he'd still have his job today!
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Texas Tech went from mediocre to Top 10 in one season and IU went from garbage to the playoffs in the same span because they paid for a team. In these days of pay for play, there’s no reason why you need to wait several seasons to become good.

Probably a third to a half of all recruiting classes leave within a season or two anyway. What were the chances that a qb from California was going to stay at PSU for more than one season; he probably just did now what he would’ve done in another year or two.
 
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cjrugger

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LB99 said:
Signing day is in December for 26 class (which all of PSU’s commits are looking elsewhere or decommitting). If a new coach isn’t hired by then, it’s going to be daunting job for the new coach to pull in any semblance of a recruiting class. The 27 class is all gone and the current roster will be able to portal out. So, the new coach will have to start hitting the portal hard immediately on day 1 and then try to mend fences with 27 recruits and establish relationships to bring in a 27 class while being way behind. It’s going to be an uphill battle right from the start.
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Believe it or not, this isn’t the first coaching change in college football history and the teams that tried it previously were able to field teams the next year. Some even got better
 
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LB99

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cjrugger said:
Believe it or not, this isn’t the first coaching change in college football history and the teams that tried it previously were able to field teams the next year. Some even got better
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Yup. And it’s a huge gamble, especially now with the portal open to the current roster. Time will tell.
 
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BCS PSU

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cjrugger said:
Believe it or not, this isn’t the first coaching change in college football history and the teams that tried it previously were able to field teams the next year. Some even got better
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God, even Purdue, which fired their coach last season and lost a bunch of their best players to the portal, including a tight end to OSU and a linebacker to Clemson, is a much more competitive team this season than last season.
 
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Bison13

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Whoever the next coach is will have some Adidas money to throw around, there will be a team next year, and it will probably have some really talented players on it who transfer in from some other schools.
 
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KingLando

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LB99 said:
Signing day is in December for 26 class (which all of PSU’s commits are looking elsewhere or decommitting). If a new coach isn’t hired by then, it’s going to be daunting job for the new coach to pull in any semblance of a recruiting class. The 27 class is all gone and the current roster will be able to portal out. So, the new coach will have to start hitting the portal hard immediately on day 1 and then try to mend fences with 27 recruits and establish relationships to bring in a 27 class while being way behind. It’s going to be an uphill battle right from the start.
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This is true for any coaching change--it's not a big deal
 
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Moogy

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CVLion said:
The portal door swings in both directions.

And it’s been said already, but in my mind I keep going back to: we have endured and survived FAR worse than this.
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Thanks, in large part, to the guy we just canned.
 
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CVLion

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Moogy said:
Thanks, in large part, to the guy we just canned.
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Yes… I give Franklin tons of credit for that. And I was not in the “Franklin must go camp” until the waning seconds of the Northwestern game. I still deeply appreciate everything he did here, but the poor was just not going to rise any higher than the plateau where he had long been stuck.
 
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BCS PSU

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Moogy said:
Thanks, in large part, to the guy we just canned.
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That’s true, but it appeared that after the Oregon game, he mentally checked out as well as the team. It just was time both for him and the program to move in different directions.

You could almost sense that this program was becoming stagnant under his continued leadership. I mean, the 2026 recruiting class was good but not special despite what we did last season, and he was losing a lot of recruiting battles to schools like ND. Also, while the 2027 recruiting class was really good on paper so far, we all know that that probably was going to change over the next fourteen months, and probably not for the better.
 
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BostonNit

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LB99 said:
Yup. And it’s a huge gamble, especially now with the portal open to the current roster. Time will tell.
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So when exactly IS the right time to part ways? After the portal closes? Before spring ball starts? Never?
 
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BCS PSU

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Nitt1300 said:
Maybe it will be fine, maybe not.
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Well, this season under his leadership was an unmitigated disaster and definitely not fine despite playing an unbelievably easy schedule and having a bunch of multi-year starters. I was a Franklin supporter, but this was one of the worst coaching jobs of a PSU team that I’ve ever seen, and I saw my first PSU game in 1975.
 
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Nitt1300

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BCS PSU said:
Well, this season under his leadership was an unmitigated disaster and definitely not fine despite playing an unbelievably easy schedule and having a bunch of multi-year starters. I was a Franklin supporter, but this was one of the worst coaching jobs of a PSU team that I’ve ever seen, and I saw my first PSU game in 1975.
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1999?
 
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PSU4U

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BCS PSU said:
Texas Tech went from mediocre to Top 10 in one season and IU went from garbage to the playoffs in the same span because they paid for a team. In these days of pay for play, there’s no reason why you need to wait several seasons to become good.

Probably a third to a half of all recruiting classes leave within a season or two anyway. What were the chances that a qb from California was going to stay at PSU for more than one season; he probably just did now what he would’ve done in another year or two.
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It can be done.
 
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BCS PSU

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Nitt1300 said:
1999?
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I did say one of the worst and not the worst. At least that 99 team was 9-0 at one point, despite having a mediocre offense, and did beat teams like Arizona, Miami and OSU, and TA&M in a bowl game; that team actually may have overachieved up to the Minny game because it was limited offensively.

I think that we all know that if they hadn’t lost that Minny game, they most likely would’ve finished 12-0 and played for the NC.
 
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