IMHO, Ole Vince has shown his true colors leaving for L's down. Hope the hell no one ever wants him around the this program again. It looks like he may have been given a little to much power by the head coach and he took advantage. Personally, I was never convinced he was as great of a recruiter. When coach Schlarman passed the OL took a major hit. Morrow got to much credit and other coaches weren't given much credit. There had to be a reason Coach Stoops moved Gran up and lowered Morrow. Possibly with NIL Stoops didn't have time now to control Morrow and made the change toward Gran who he felt more comfortable. To me the timing, of this situation, speaks volumes, there hardly could be a worse time. I know most think the sky is falling but just maybe we'll find out Big Dog wasn't as great as once thought.
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We just need to get out of this mess and bring Sumrall home.
Things would have been so much better this year if Stoops would have kicked rocks last year like he wanted to. Now we are back in the SEC basement and it is going to be one hell of a climb out.
Things would have been so much better this year if Stoops would have kicked rocks last year like he wanted to. Now we are back in the SEC basement and it is going to be one hell of a climb out.
For all of Vince's prowess at recruiting, at least HS kids, it sure doesn't seem like our overall talent level has improved over the past several years - at least not from recruiting HS kids. Our best year(s) were generally led by transfers and I don't know how much VM had to do with Levis, Wandale, etc. transferring in. But, from a coaching standpoint, his TE room NEVER excelled, never were developed into offensive weapons. Was that lack of talent (on him) or was it lack of coaching (on him) or was it overall scheme? Too hard to say, honestly. But, we've seen/heard many years how talented the TE room is and how they're going to light some teams up only to, once again, end up with glorified blockers and guys who catch 15 passes a year.
Will Wolford be promoted to recruiting coordinator? Who takes over TE coaching? Interesting times.
Think VM may find it a bit harder to recruit OH, MI, PA kids to the ACC vs closest-to-home SEC school. We'll see.
Will Wolford be promoted to recruiting coordinator? Who takes over TE coaching? Interesting times.
Think VM may find it a bit harder to recruit OH, MI, PA kids to the ACC vs closest-to-home SEC school. We'll see.
Just looking at this year's recruiting so far, it appears VM may have moved on well before he officially announced he's leaving. We just landed our 3rd commitment in the '26 class, putting us miles behind other teams. Maybe his heart wasn't in it or he knew he was leaving and didn't want to lie to potential recruits - I don't know, but we haven't been real successful thus far in the recruiting wars.
Interesting that KSR opines that Eddie Gran's increasing influence over recruiting may have been a factor in turning VM off on the UK program. I would be interested to know over what specifically those two disagreed on - types of players to recruit, numbers of each position, evaluation of talent? And, what was Stoops doing and saying in these meetings? Did he not clearly communicate the type of player/schemes he wants to run and recruit for? If so, how could there have been such vehement disagreements about recruiting to result in VM packing his bags and getting out of Dodge?
Interesting that KSR opines that Eddie Gran's increasing influence over recruiting may have been a factor in turning VM off on the UK program. I would be interested to know over what specifically those two disagreed on - types of players to recruit, numbers of each position, evaluation of talent? And, what was Stoops doing and saying in these meetings? Did he not clearly communicate the type of player/schemes he wants to run and recruit for? If so, how could there have been such vehement disagreements about recruiting to result in VM packing his bags and getting out of Dodge?
I don't have answers to all of that @gamecockcat but I will mention this because I wonder how much it factored into things-
The two seemd to be moving in opposite directions on more than one front.
I wonder how much of the offensive scheme and recruiting, as well as the results in the field were a product of the division in the staff. I still don't think a Hamdan/Mumme type offense is the answer to SEC defenses. What we were doing led to competitiveness and a good result every 3 yrs before we ditched it. I'm inclined to believe ditching it was not Marrow's idea.
We were doing things no one else in tbe conference was doing with TWilson and WLevis. Dual threat QBs, a great running game with some great RBs, a grind you down bunch of warriors on the OLine and a decent enough passing game.
When you're different, you make teams have to adjust to you and gameplan just for you. They have a week to get ready in the middle of an already brutal schedule. When you're the same as others, the adjustment required is minor. Reducing the playbook as we have makes it even easier. Going away from the running game has made it even easier still.
We've played into everyone's hands as we did when Joker took over the offense on his own.
We are now competing with everyone for the best passing game recruits, WRs, and pro-style QBs, when our success was with AND ATTRACTED the dual threat QBs that can throw well, RBs that got better as they game went on, and aggressive linemen that lived to knock the sht out of somebody.
We've taken OURSELVES out of contention by trying to be like Georgia, UT, Ole Miss, or Bama to the delight of Florida, Georgia, Vandy, Mizzou, and UL.
The two seemd to be moving in opposite directions on more than one front.
- Stoops getting divorced for whatever reason, and Marrow settling down.
- Stoops looking at A&M, while Marrow wanted to stay in Kentucky
- Marrow wanting to be on the field less, and Stoops wanting to get back to the grind
I wonder how much of the offensive scheme and recruiting, as well as the results in the field were a product of the division in the staff. I still don't think a Hamdan/Mumme type offense is the answer to SEC defenses. What we were doing led to competitiveness and a good result every 3 yrs before we ditched it. I'm inclined to believe ditching it was not Marrow's idea.
We were doing things no one else in tbe conference was doing with TWilson and WLevis. Dual threat QBs, a great running game with some great RBs, a grind you down bunch of warriors on the OLine and a decent enough passing game.
When you're different, you make teams have to adjust to you and gameplan just for you. They have a week to get ready in the middle of an already brutal schedule. When you're the same as others, the adjustment required is minor. Reducing the playbook as we have makes it even easier. Going away from the running game has made it even easier still.
We've played into everyone's hands as we did when Joker took over the offense on his own.
We are now competing with everyone for the best passing game recruits, WRs, and pro-style QBs, when our success was with AND ATTRACTED the dual threat QBs that can throw well, RBs that got better as they game went on, and aggressive linemen that lived to knock the sht out of somebody.
We've taken OURSELVES out of contention by trying to be like Georgia, UT, Ole Miss, or Bama to the delight of Florida, Georgia, Vandy, Mizzou, and UL.
I don’t disagree that we need to get back to being physical…both sides of the ball. We’ve lost it in general. But we can’t opine for the old days. It’s just not possible to win many conference games without making some functional offensive plays.
The last few seasons is just ‘get ahead of UK two scores’ because we can’t play in a way to come back. In stoops’ heyday 8 of the 14 SEC head coaches were former dc’s and he routinely beat a few of them. 2020 Bama joined the offensive juggernauts of the modern age.
Now there are 5 of 16 counting stoops and we only played two of them last season. UGA and Vandy. UGA is explosive these days and Lea at Vandy essentially hired a head coach offensive guy and publicly has stated he just turned that side of the ball completely over to Kill. The reason we can’t do up the gut all afternoon is because there are few, if any, teams trying that who we compete against and it’s just who makes an extra screw up or two in those games ala many games Muschamp, mason, and Odom. We actually have to put a few more points up and can’t settle for fg all afternoon every week.
Why would any top recruit sign with a head coach that's going to be fired as soon as it's financially feasible with everybody knowing he's going to be fired as soon as it's financially feasible?
Possibly they know something that’s happening with a coaching change next year? And know who?