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UKWildcats1987

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anthonys735 said:
Smartphones, DNA collection companies, ring and traffic cameras. Good luck getting away with something like this in the future.
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Yeah this dipsh$@ should have known to not take his cell with him to the crime scene. And if you want to not leave DNA a silenced pistol would have been the way to go. Also should have used some black face in case cameras or ring camera got a peak.

And make sure to park on the other side of some woods well away from the crime scene. Amateur.
 
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Now they are reporting that they had to clear the entire airport so this guy could use the bathroom. What's next?
 
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Sensationalism. It was a general aviation bldg, like tacair. Not a commercial terminal. Usually there are about 2 employees and a couple pilots filing charts at any one time in those, especially one without a lot of traffic.
 
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If I am reading the Court filing correctly, it appears that they have a DNA sample of the father that indicates a 99.9998% probability of being the father of the individual who left the knife sheath. It doesn’t read like they have his DNA tested at this point.
 
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One of the surviving roommates, Dylan Mortensen, her story is very problematic.

Dylan Mortensen said she first woke up around 4 a.m. on Nov. 13 to what she assumed was the sound of her roommate, Kaylee Goncalves, playing with her dog upstairs.

A short time later, Mortensen thought she heard her 21-year-old friend say, “There’s someone here.” But when Mortensen looked out of her bedroom, she didn’t see a thing. She peeked outside her bedroom door a second time when she heard crying coming from the bedroom of her other roommate, Xana Kernodle.

“It’s OK, I’m going to help you,” Mortensen told authorities she heard a male voice say.

The third time Mortensen opened her bedroom door to a far more terrifying sight: “a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person’s mouth and nose walking toward her.” But the masked man just walked past her and left the home through the back sliding-glass door as she stood there in “frozen shock.”

Hours later, Mortensen would learn that three of her roommates—and one of their boyfriends—had been brutally murdered.

Roommate Came Face-to-Face With Idaho Suspect Night of Massacre

So this witness says all this in an affidavit. And her story is she woke up around 4am, witnessed all this including some strange person clad in all black including a mask, then just went back to bed and the 911 call wasn't until 11:58am?
 
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I dont think that was a drone, pretty sure it was Cessna 208 (C208).

Could have been circling during arrest as well, that was just one capture of one flight path. Govt planes are hard to track so they could have been up there every night just not captured on a flight tracker. Read this AM they did the Xmas Vacation entry when they arrested him, broke through doors and windows.

They grabbed the trash when he took it out at 4AM and put in his neighbors bin. This dude has made damn near every mistake in the book. Its almost like he wanted to get caught or wanted to play a game to see if the police were smarter than him. Either way, he gone.
 
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justa said:
I dont think that was a drone, pretty sure it was Cessna 208 (C208).

Could have been circling during arrest as well, that was just one capture of one flight path. Govt planes are hard to track so they could have been up there every night just not captured on a flight tracker. Read this AM they did the Xmas Vacation entry when they arrested him, broke through doors and windows.

They grabbed the trash when he took it out at 4AM and put in his neighbors bin. This dude has made damn near every mistake in the book. Its almost like he wanted to get caught or wanted to play a game to see if the police were smarter than him. Either way, he gone.
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Imagine the shock for his parents and anyone else in the house when this happened. If they were pro-gun and had a lot of weapons there might have been a shootout. I’ll assume the police did a background check first.
 
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rbs said:
If I am reading the Court filing correctly, it appears that they have a DNA sample of the father that indicates a 99.9998% probability of being the father of the individual who left the knife sheath. It doesn’t read like they have his DNA tested at this point.
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I think you may be reading it backwards, I think the DNA test taken from the sheath failed to exclude the father of the suspect. OTHO, if the suspect was not related to the father whose DNA was tested, then the DNA test would have excluded the father (and the suspect) to a degree of 99.9999% probability.

Disclaimer: I am not any kind of expert in DNA
 
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justa said:
Sensationalism. It was a general aviation bldg, like tacair. Not a commercial terminal. Usually there are about 2 employees and a couple pilots filing charts at any one time in those, especially one without a lot of traffic.
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This is accurate. Very few people in these types of buildings. I've been in several.
 
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Agree, lot of stuff left to come out for certain but the detectives had their guy early on and didn't flinch to public pressure about details, etc. Gotta be difficult to see media calling you "bumbling", or even the parents were in the media saying they are wanting more info. Glad they stuck to their guns and did their damn job. Lotta detectives have egos and would have made unnecessary statements to defend themselves. These were just sitting back waiting to break it open when the time came. Kudos fo sure
 
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Yeah he could have done a lot of things better (and I use that very loosely) like used a gun or whatever…

But this guy was all rage and wanted to make it personal. Why do you think he just kept stabbing these kids over and over and over…
 
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TimeLine of the Murders

The murders were estimated to occur between 4:00AM and 4:20AM.

Questions:

No forced entry?

How were 4 people killed one-by-one with a knife without a loud struggle? The guy stabbed was 6'3" 195 lbs. A (barking) dog was in one room?

A DoorDash food delivery was made at 4:00AM to the girl and boyfriend on 2nd floor. Who let the DoorDash delivery in the house?

A victim's phone shows she was awake at 4:12AM playing TikTok videos. She wasn't asleep at time of murder?
 
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Total speculation but my opinion is since it was a "party" house, there were peeps coming and going all the time. 3 floors, 6-8 roommates. Think back to when we were in college, people were coming in/out all the time and i'm sure each roommate didnt know everyone the others brought over. Sucks but thats the reality of college age peeps and alcohol, safeguards are forgotten.

The motive is going to be interesting. Sticking to my theory of social media infatuation that manifesting into psychosis.
 
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justa said:
Total speculation but my opinion is since it was a "party" house, there were peeps coming and going all the time. 3 floors, 6-8 roommates. Think back to when we were in college, people were coming in/out all the time and i'm sure each roommate didnt know everyone the others brought over. Sucks but thats the reality of college age peeps and alcohol, safeguards are forgotten.

The motive is going to be interesting. Sticking to my theory of social media infatuation that manifesting into psychosis.
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I've always lived in a different world than that, but during the Manson murders, Abigail Folger supposedly saw one of the Manson girls and waved at her. She just assumed it was someone coming by to party.
 
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Tskware said:
I think you may be reading it backwards, I think the DNA test taken from the sheath failed to exclude the father of the suspect. OTHO, if the suspect was not related to the father whose DNA was tested, then the DNA test would have excluded the father (and the suspect) to a degree of 99.9999% probability.

Disclaimer: I am not any kind of expert in DNA
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I agree with regarding the phrase failed to exclude ... however, it still seems to me that the DNA sample from the house in PA is of his father ... whereas the DNA sample of the sheath is of the suspect ... and the news today said the same thing.
 
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Helter Skelter was the first adult true crime book I ever read, was about 13-14 yrs old. Got me hooked on the genre. Have read alot about the Manson family. There was a guest house in the back that had a lot of foot traffic so it was normal to see random people around the house. Plus it was the 60's, stuff was wide open.
 
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justa said:
Helter Skelter was the first adult true crime book I ever read, was about 13-14 yrs old. Got me hooked on the genre. Have read alot about the Manson family. There was a guest house in the back that had a lot of foot traffic so it was normal to see random people around the house. Plus it was the 60's, stuff was wide open.
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You ever read Chaos by Tom O'Neill on the subject? It is utterly fascinating. Highly recommend.
 
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justa said:
Total speculation but my opinion is since it was a "party" house, there were peeps coming and going all the time. 3 floors, 6-8 roommates. Think back to when we were in college, people were coming in/out all the time and i'm sure each roommate didnt know everyone the others brought over. Sucks but thats the reality of college age peeps and alcohol, safeguards are forgotten.

The motive is going to be interesting. Sticking to my theory of social media infatuation that manifesting into psychosis.
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I don't think we ever locked our door in college. Even if we had it was so shoddy you could easily jimmy the lock. We'd come home to a house full of people, that didn't live there, all the time. Never knew who'd be there, especially after the bars on a weekend. 4am, drunk(at minimum) from the bars, you're not really thinking right. Sliding door was probably always open. Roommate was likely hammered and passed out for a few hours before waking up and realizing what she had witnessed.

Those things are easily explainable if you lived in a college party house.
 
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justa

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Yeap, that ish was commonplace. Hell it was nothing to wake up with complete strangers on the couch.

Hank, just added that to my cart, wasnt aware of that one. John List murders was my 2nd book, been hitting true crime nonstop for 30+yrs now. Wanted to major in Criminology but had zero guidance on a career path other than police so I changed course.

If they prove that's him in the video literally standing next to the girls at the food truck this guy is something else. Its almost like his trying to get caught then prove he is smart enough to get off, ala Leopold & Loeb.

Also think just one of the girls was the target after seeing the floorplans. The couple was on the 2nd floor were he entered so he killed them first to have an escape path. Then the other two girls were actually sleeping in the same bed (uh hum), one was collateral damage.
 
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justa said:
If they prove that's him in the video literally standing next to the girls at the food truck this guy is something else. Its almost like his trying to get caught then prove he is smart enough to get off, ala Leopold & Loeb.
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Good call, I mentioned that case to my wife just the other night as possibly being similar to this case.

OT: Clarence Darrow defended them, and Leopold eventually got out of prison in 1958 after serving 34 years or so. Loeb was murdered in prison in 1936.
 
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Something is definitely askew. To be as thoroughly trained in criminal science he made amateur hour mistakes, by choice or not will be interesting to find out.
 
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It’s a good case to read about. A lot of similarities in his demeanor and personality.

Saw that his phone pinged around the house at 9 that morning. He was wanting to see if his deed had been discovered yet. He is literally leaving breadcrumbs. Has to be treating as a game with his background.
 
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I would really like to know if there is a connection in any way between Dylan Mortensen and Bryan Kohberger. I'd also like to know if Dylan has a lawyer yet.
 
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