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Tenneesee confirmed mountain lions near the ky border a year or so ago. Monroe county sits on that border.

Not sure what other aninmal could do that, TBH. Someone did tell me they were ponies and not full grown horses.

Not sure a bobcat could take down a pony and pit bull. Possible, I guess.
 
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Welp. KDFW still at it. Here’s their update:

Members of the state fish and wildlife diagnostics team examined the animals and said the attack does not appear to have been done by a large cat as initially released by the sheriff’s office.

“We can say it’s not a cat, and there is no evidence of a coyote,” said Bill Lynch, a wildlife biologist with the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources.

“It’s inconclusive,” he said of the deaths. “You have to do a necropsy. It wasn’t a cat. It wasn’t even anything like that. There wasn’t enough damage. There is one track that is questionable.”

Apparently it was nothing. Even though the owner posted a pic of the “questionable” track and said they died by damaging bites to the neck. Nothing to see here, per usual
 
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Why would a mountain lion kill all those animals. Don't they normally kill for for food? One horse would have been enough for that.
 
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mdlUK.1 said:
Why would a mountain lion kill all those animals. Don't they normally kill for for food? One horse would have been enough for that.
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The owner posted a pic of one of the dead ponies (had it blacked out), but circled the paw print and said it had been partially eaten.
 
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I saw on Facebook that there was a trail cam on a neighboring property with some evidence.

The vest looks loose so it was malnourished and appears agitated. Stay safe.
 
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Got some pretty solid comments from the owners/friends of the dogs/ponies (2 separate families). Please forgive the grammar of the fine folks of Monroe:

“I don’t know they were saying yesterday that is was a big cat now there saying it was not an animal then I would sure like to know what killed our dog then”

“I think they are covering they are here in Macon co (TN) that's not that far from (name redacted) has pics in her yard”

“I can tell you all we ask for DNA to be done yesterday but they did not feel there was a need but today we are seeing that if we want DNA we will have to pay for it because no animal done this but I can tell you it was done by an animal and I don’t know what kind and apparently they as in fish and wildlife don’t feel the need to know. But they claim to be experts and our local vet saw the animals today and he is confident a large animal attacked them, people we have nothing to gain from this but lost a lot”

“They know exactly what it is. I suspect that whoever said it was a big cat or mountain lion got reprimanded for saying that. Not because it's not true but because they don't want to admit they are here.”
 
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Bill Derington

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cat_chaser said:
Tenneesee confirmed mountain lions near the ky border a year or so ago. Monroe county sits on that border.

Not sure what other aninmal could do that, TBH. Someone did tell me they were ponies and not full grown horses.

Not sure a bobcat could take down a pony and pit bull. Possible, I guess.
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I wasn’t saying there aren’t Mt lions moving in, TN had one caught on trail cam in Obion Co, which borders KY.
I just didn’t think a 200pound mt lion would take down 3 grown horses.
 
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Bill Derington said:
I wasn’t saying there aren’t Mt lions moving in, TN had one caught on trail cam in Obion Co, which borders KY.
I just didn’t think a 200pound mt lion would take down 3 grown horses.
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I know. And I don’t think it’s a mountain lion either, but this happened in my hometown where people go a little overboard with stuff like this. And with the history of the mountain lion subject on this board, I figured I’d post the latest craziness (and it is getting pretty strange).

It could’ve been a pack of stray/wild dogs. Tons of them down there. But, if I read the full statement correctly, the KDFW doesn’t even think an animal did it? I’d have to go back and check, but I think that’s right. Plus, one of the family members I quoted above said the same thing.

Edit to add: not full gown horses....ponies.
 
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Bill Derington said:
I wasn’t saying there aren’t Mt lions moving in, TN had one caught on trail cam in Obion Co, which borders KY.
I just didn’t think a 200pound mt lion would take down 3 grown horses.
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A mountain lion could take down three ponies easily, and possibly even three grown horses, especially if the horses are stuck in a pen/confined space. It doesn't have to fight them one-one-three.

Big cats will often kill what's available to be killed, regardless of whether or not it could eat the kills in a reasonable time.

Just look at what happened with the jaguar that escaped its enclosure in the zoo:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/audubo...animals-will-not-be-euthanized-officials-say/

Now, having said all of that, I'm not at all saying this was definitely a mountain lion in this story.
 
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Back on the 60’s as a teenage boy growing up in Cumberland Co. Marrowbone, some said there was a big cat, some said a panther, but everyone called it “the thing”. I never heard it but many said they did, a few tried to hunt it down. I have no idea what it was and no animals were ever killed. Thousands of acres of woods in this area, there could be anything roaming those hills and hollers. Nothing would surprise me.
 
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Down here in SWFL we have what they call Florida Panthers. But what they really are, are mountain lions that live around the everglades. They constantly kill goats, miniature horses, dogs, cats etc.
 
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It was a mountain lion. Pictures were sent to my buddy’s grandpa who trapped mountain lions in Colorado for the government for 30 years. He is known as one of the best trappers around. He was showed a picture of the print and the damage to all the animals and he is certain it’s a ML.

I would take his word over any fish and wildlife know it all
 
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ThroughBlue said:
It was a mountain lion. Pictures were sent to my buddy’s grandpa who trapped mountain lions in Colorado for the government for 30 years. He is known as one of the best trappers around. He was showed a picture of the print and the damage to all the animals and he is certain it’s a ML.

I would take his word over any fish and wildlife know it all
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They’re gonna come back sooner or later, Missouri has a growing Mt lion population.
With the explosion of Deer and Turkey there’s no shortage of prey for them. Mississippi River is the only thing holding more from coming.
 
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Cats will kill for fun. House cats kill mice and don’t eat them all the time. Buddy’s grandpa said he saw one kill nearly 80 sheep in Colorado and only eat off one of them. They’re playing but when you’ve got a 100+ lb cat this is the damage playing does

How did these owners not hear it nailing their dogs?
 
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First of all there are without a doubt mountain lions in Kentucky. Second as someone who has had his dog attacked while walking it the largest cougar can easily take down a horse. Generally mountain lions are solitary with exception of mom and her cubs. The cubs will get big before going off on their own.

Finally this. 15 years ago when my dog was attacked several other people in the neighborhood had missing cats and dogs. The local paper came out to interview me and walked my property. What they found was horrifying. A heap not one or two but 20+ different animal carcasses found in the woods 200’ or so from my house in my vacant lot. DOW came out and pointed out the tell tale signs of mountain lion attacks. They are like surgeons. They remove the entrails, they skin the hide from the base of the skull to the tail and nicely and neatly leave those items along with bones where they injested their meal. In my situation momma had 3 cubs that all weighed in the 100# range and they were going to town and stockpiling.

I’ve seen 250# mule deer easily taken down by a large mountain lion. If officials say it’s likely a big cat then it’s a mountain lion bc like I said the aftermath is pretty straight forward compared to say a bear which isn’t going to attack horses anyway
 
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ThroughBlue said:
Cats will kill for fun. House cats kill mice and don’t eat them all the time. Buddy’s grandpa said he saw one kill nearly 80 sheep in Colorado and only eat off one of them. They’re playing but when you’ve got a 100+ lb cat this is the damage playing does

How did these owners not hear it nailing their dogs?
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If I recall correctly, aren’t you from down around that area, too (Cumberland co)? If so, you know you don’t think much of hearing your dogs barking late at night - if you even hear them barking at all (especially if you have a 100+ acre farm). Coyotes everywhere.
 
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cat_chaser said:
If I recall correctly, aren’t you from down around that area, too (Cumberland co)? If so, you know you don’t think much of hearing your dogs barking late at night - if you even hear them barking at all (especially if you have a 100+ acre farm). Coyotes everywhere.
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I am from around the area but I imagine the dogs would be doing more than barking if they are being killed. Probably a lot of yelping like they were fighting in which case I would have grabbed the mossberg and would have went to see what the commotion was
 
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ThroughBlue said:
I am from around the area but I imagine the dogs would be doing more than barking if they are being killed. Probably a lot of yelping like they were fighting in which case I would have grabbed the mossberg and would have went to see what the commotion was
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You realize there is a good chance they just weren’t close enough to be heard, right?
 
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Wildcats1st said:
First of all there are without a doubt mountain lions in Kentucky. Second as someone who has had his dog attacked while walking it the largest cougar can easily take down a horse. Generally mountain lions are solitary with exception of mom and her cubs. The cubs will get big before going off on their own.

Finally this. 15 years ago when my dog was attacked several other people in the neighborhood had missing cats and dogs. The local paper came out to interview me and walked my property. What they found was horrifying. A heap not one or two but 20+ different animal carcasses found in the woods 200’ or so from my house in my vacant lot. DOW came out and pointed out the tell tale signs of mountain lion attacks. They are like surgeons. They remove the entrails, they skin the hide from the base of the skull to the tail and nicely and neatly leave those items along with bones where they injested their meal. In my situation momma had 3 cubs that all weighed in the 100# range and they were going to town and stockpiling.

I’ve seen 250# mule deer easily taken down by a large mountain lion. If officials say it’s likely a big cat then it’s a mountain lion bc like I said the aftermath is pretty straight forward compared to say a bear which isn’t going to attack horses anyway
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Was this pile of bones in Ky? Where?
 
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cat_chaser said:
You realize there is a good chance they just weren’t close enough to be heard, right?
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Yes I do but you also realize they could have been right there beside the house. I didn’t see any mention of where the dogs were.
 
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ThroughBlue said:
Yes I do but you also realize they could have been right there beside the house. I didn’t see any mention of where the dogs were.
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For sure. And would raise a lot of questions if that was the case and give plenty of reason to doubt it.
 
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Why isn't anyone blaming it on the bears which everyone agree's are in the area?
 
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I knew this would turn into a **** show. Just how they roll down there:

***^ EXCLUSIVE UPDATE ON MYSTERIOUS ANIMAL ATTACKS IN KENTUCKY.
(This case is now gaining national attention.)
WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTO ... but I am posting it for a reason.
Monroe County Sheriff Dale Ford wants to know if you think that looks like a gunshot wound?
WHY?
Because he says Kentucky Fish and Wildlife tells him the three miniature horses found slaughtered over the weekend were SHOT.
Sheriff Ford says no way ... and he is furious.
The sheriff tells me no one from the state did a necropsy on the horses.
Is there some type of miscommunication here?
I REACHED OUT, but have not heard back from the state.
In case you are catching up here is the post from the sheriff from over the wekend:
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The Monroe County Sheriffs Department as well as members of The Kentucky Fish and Wildlife responded to the Bill Butler Spur area on reports of dead animals.
Upon arrival they found three horses, a pit bull and husky dead.
It is believed that this occurred in the wee hours of the morning and all sign show that it possibly could have been done by a large cat/ animal.
Members of the Kentucky fish and wildlife diagnostics team are on their way from Frankfort to examine these animals.
We highly advise you to please keep a close eye on small children and animals when they are let out side and use caution and be aware of your surroundings.
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OKAY, so since then Kentucky Fish and Wildlife first reported the animals’ wounds were not consistent with a large predator attack.
And now the sheriff says the state tells him the horses were shot?
Sheriff Ford literally told me,”BULLxoxo!”
He says there is no doubt in his mind the neck wounds on the horses were inflicted by some type of large animal.
The sheriff says he does not know what type of animal attacked.
But he says there are possibilities. For instance, he sent me this other photo of a large cat recently seen in the area.
HE SAYS THERE IS NO evidence at this time humans were involved in the deaths of the animals.
The sheriff says public safety is a priority and people in the area still should not let their guard down with their pets and small children while the predator remains at large.
Another development of note: One of the dogs — a pitbull/boxer mix — survived the attack with a few wounds.
A husky did not.
THIS STORY CONTINUES TO EVOLVE.
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