Mr. Eddie Gran
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Any open position on the UK staff is just not an attractive job. It hasn't been for decades. Especially with Stoops trending down. Quit acting like UK is a power SEC school. Coaches with options do not have UK listed as dream job, LOL. Just be happy with whoever UK settles with.
mrschwump, I get the feeling you had a lot of trouble with the reading comprehension parts of standardized tests. [laughing]
For the sake of clarity in this thread in my post that you reference above I said nothing about his ability to create a successful offense. He certainly did so for most of this year and I totally agree with those that say he cannot be "judged" on last night's performance. What I questioned in that post was why was everyone "so sure" he was headed to UK? The only source for this info seems to be some UK blog sites. If he is Stoop's guy and he wants the job I'm all for it. But it strikes me there may be some reasons why he may not want to go to UK.
To recap, he is 51, has not been in the mix for many (if any) HC jobs and has been part of Tubs staff at 3 different schools (MS, AU now Cincy, almost 20 years with Tubs). He makes $370K at Cincy and, per last night's crew, Tubs was negotiating a new deal with Cincy and looking for raises for assistants. Brown and Dawson made about $550K and I would expect a similar offer to Gran. I doubt Cincy could "match" UK but if they raised him to about $450K would he jump at the opportunity to be the OC at UK? UK is a P5 school and a "younger guy" might consider an SEC job a resume builder. But would a 51 year old "career assistant" like Gran feel the same? Is he at a point in his career where security and stability is more important than resume building? I don't know.
I mention security and stability because, IMO, I believe Tubs is more secure at Cincy than CMS is at UK. CMS is not going anywhere for at least 2 years due to the buyout provisions but he will be under considerable pressure to perform better the next 2 years. It is not a stretch to say the OC job at UK may be just a 2 year gig.
Peace
let's look at it another way........how many times has a Gran offense NOT gone to a bowl and how many times has a UK offense been to a bowl?
He spent 10+ years in the SEC. Was at Auburn when Auburn was at its best. Coached the likes of Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown. Cadillac is from my neck of the wood and was unbelievable.
That being said, Gran has been around the league and has been apart of some power house teams, both at AU and FSU. I think he knows winning football. Now does that mean he will do well at UK? No, because every situation is different. But, I find it hard to believe that he woke up and forgot how to coach football.
Dude, your original post pretty much used last nights performance as justification to not hire Gran, implying that the way they played would be an indication of how our season would go. You COMPLETELY disregarded the whole rest of the season and the offensive numbers cincinnati put up. Plus all of the circumstances around last nights game, such as the fact they were playing a true freshman QB while their starter stayed home.
I'm on the outside looking in and noticed that andreIGUODOLLAsigns4UK is not paying attention to what any of you guys are saying...lol.
#1 He's judging Eddie Gran by 1 game, but then defends the fact that you can't judge others by 1 game. He talks as if other say that Florida's defense sucked last year, but nobody was saying that at all. He's too busy wanting to argue and didn't comprehend that part.
#2 he talks about we don't know how Gran's offense translates to the SEC. But he never acknowledged that Gran's offense isn't anything out of the extreme ordinary. Spread offenses like this have done well in the SEC.
#1 He's judging Eddie Gran by 1 game, but then defends the fact that you can't judge others by 1 game. He talks as if other say that Florida's defense sucked last year, but nobody was saying that at all. He's too busy wanting to argue and didn't comprehend that part.
#2 he talks about we don't know how Gran's offense translates to the SEC. But he never acknowledged that Gran's offense isn't anything out of the extreme ordinary. Spread offenses like this have done well in the SEC.
Yup. Disagree with him and he will follow you around stalking your every post and will only use bits and pieces of what you say to try to hate on you. Andre/Jbeezy takes message boards way to serious. He is incapable of having a normal conversation.
Last thing... andreIGUODOLLAsigns4UK keeps saying in these posts that this bowl game performance was alarming. But failed to acknowledge that his original post was a campaign for why Eddie Gran shouldn't be hired. If we do that off one game them Alabama vs Oklahoma Bowl game 2 years ago should mean that Saban isn't a Hall Of Fame Coach.... But that's just if you want to make a snap judgment from 1 game.
Do these posters actually think that Stoops will or will not hire who he wants based on what they want.
Good grief. Stoops is going to hire who he wants and no matter who it is we can all count on one thing.
Fifty percent of the posters on here will hate them and Stoops and fifty percent will love it.
All this speculation about someone is absurd
I can see your point in most of your thread, but disagree that Gran would be taking a big career risk by coming to UK------whether UK fires Stoops in two years or not------and I definitely think Stoops will get two more years if the offense lives up to a reasonable facsimile of its potential. If he is confident in his ability as an OC he must think he can put a very good offense on the field next year, the only bad situation would be our QB going down with no viable replacement------and then he would have a very valid excuse for not being great. And if the five star comes with him he shouldn't need an excuse, but on the other hand, if we don't get a reasonable backup for Barker he might not come.
Otherwise we have TWO players graduating from the two deep, both OL with mixed reviews, and most fans think our skill positions are pretty good, which was the reason for all the dissatisfaction with the production of the recently departed OC. Then Conrad just made one third team freshman All American, as well as SEC all freshman. I myself like our RBs, WRs, and TE, and with AA and Toth returning on our OL, with six other players in the two deep also returning I think it improves a lot also, just another years experience should help most of them. Then, if another years experience (and some redshirts) does't help our OL that much, we have an experienced JC 5.9 and two more four stars that could play as true freshmen, especially the one 6.0 four star.
But 17 could be when the 14 class is in their fourth year and showing their full potential (hopefully including Barker) so maybe he thinks that he could have a great offense here that year whether the D and special teams carry their weight or not. And the OL should ALL be not only with some experience but definitely a lot of talent, possibly a five star among them. Having worked with Stoops before he may have an agreement that he runs the offense, and knows he can work with him.
Also, if he does have a very good offense here in 17 it would be a very good resume builder whether Stoops is let go or not, a stepping stone. The funny thing is that Joker's assistants almost all went to excellent programs------including Joker himself. But then, I have always contended UK's main problem has been the talent level, not the coaching. But Stoops himself must improve with experience also.
And if he has a very good offense at UK in the SEC he would probably get twice the credit he would at any other school.
And a coach with Cincy's talent averaging over 560 yards a game for a full year isn't deserving of praise?
Three years there with top offenses proves nothing to you? Not to mention his many stints at other top programs. LOL
Like I posted earlier, Gran has 10+ years if experience in the SEC and 3 years at FSU.
He coached one of the SECs all time greats in Cadillac Williams. Cadillac was great before going to Auburn, but he was definitely one of the greatest before he left. Carnell loved Gran.
And before Andre says something, yes, I grew up in the same place as Carnell. My best friend played high school ball with him. They should have won back to back state championships, but my buddy missed a field goal at the end of the game that would have won it. He was a freshman at the time. He and Carnell are still close today. In our town we had Carnell Williams and Brody Coyle in HS at the same time. It is a small area so everyone knows everyone.