Murray Player Tweets Plea for Spot in NCAAs
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Well they certainly should be in over Indiana. Sorry, but it is ridiculous if you are losing a number of games late in the season and on your home court and that doesn't count more against you than a Conference tournament final.
Not so sure IU is better at all. Murray has excellent guards and unlike the Hoosiers they are well coached.
No way Murray St. gets in. None.
And if we were talking about some directional school from some other mid-major conference with an identical record with the same SOS who was the runner-up in their conference tourney...then you would all be saying the exact same thing.
IU needs at least 1 win in the Big10 tourney...2 to be sure. If they lose 1st round then they probably won't get in...but all of this is pure speculation and is contingent on how the other bubble teams fare in their conference tourneys.
And if we were talking about some directional school from some other mid-major conference with an identical record with the same SOS who was the runner-up in their conference tourney...then you would all be saying the exact same thing.
IU needs at least 1 win in the Big10 tourney...2 to be sure. If they lose 1st round then they probably won't get in...but all of this is pure speculation and is contingent on how the other bubble teams fare in their conference tourneys.
Lost to a team who finished the regular season at 12-18. Another loss came against a Portland team who finished the regular season at 17-14. The same Portland team that lost to 8-23 LMU and 12-19 Pacific. Two best opponents they played in non conference beat them by an average margin of 31 points(Xavier-27, Valpo-35). Best win was against Illinois State who finished 3rd in the 12th best conference. They had 2 chances to get that signature win for themselves and got blown out both times.
I feel bad for them, but there are other teams with better resumes.
I feel bad for them, but there are other teams with better resumes.
They should have the opportunity to compete in this tournament. At least in one of the play in games.
You clearly didn't watch the game...
Anyone that did knows Murray didn't blow anything. Belmont hit 15 threes, they played great. Belmont WON that game, don't take that away from them by saying Murray blew it. If you want to say that late turnover cost Murray their bid then fine, I'll agree with that. But that would mean that you actually watched the game and therefore saw that Belmont won it far more than Murray blew it. I'm a huge Murray fan, live near the campus and while I attended UK for college, most of my friends went to MSU. I hated to see the Racers get eliminated, but you have to credit Belmont for the way they played... Both teams would have waxed the floor with Indiana on that given night.
ymmot31 - the OVC has had quite a few upsets over the years and has been very respectable. Murray and Morehead most recently pulled early upsets. I still would rather see Murray get the nod over a 5/6/7 place finisher in a big conference. i.e. Indiana or TxAM
Sorry, pal !! You and your squad dropped the ball vs. Belmont..you guys don't have one signature win..you don't deserve to be in at all. No sympathy here.
A question: What would Indiana's record be if they had played the exact same schedule as Murray State?
I honestly don't think their record would be that much different. I could very easily see Indiana slipping up early in the season versus teams like Xavier and Valpo and losing to a team who gets hot and hits 15 threes in their conference tourney title game (Belmont). People here seem to be favoring Indiana in terms of who belongs in, but the debate is not ludicrous; Lunardi has the Racers in the "next 4 out" column and depending on what other teams do in their respective tourneys, Murray State could somehow sneak in.
As bad as their loss to Belmont was, giving the timing and the consequences involved, something has to be said for winning 25 games in a row and going undefeated in your conference. Having said all of this, I'm split on if they deserve a bid or not, and I don't believe the committee will let them in. As far as Indiana is concerned I think they might literally be the last at-large team selected.
I honestly don't think their record would be that much different. I could very easily see Indiana slipping up early in the season versus teams like Xavier and Valpo and losing to a team who gets hot and hits 15 threes in their conference tourney title game (Belmont). People here seem to be favoring Indiana in terms of who belongs in, but the debate is not ludicrous; Lunardi has the Racers in the "next 4 out" column and depending on what other teams do in their respective tourneys, Murray State could somehow sneak in.
As bad as their loss to Belmont was, giving the timing and the consequences involved, something has to be said for winning 25 games in a row and going undefeated in your conference. Having said all of this, I'm split on if they deserve a bid or not, and I don't believe the committee will let them in. As far as Indiana is concerned I think they might literally be the last at-large team selected.
I am a huge Murray State fan as well and while they may deserve to make the field, they will not. My son is a student and honestly, the student experience was greater last year when they hosted the CIT Tournament games (and won the tournament) than if they had traveled west and been hammered by a high seed. Sure, the experience for the players and the advancement of the program MIGHT have been more substantial; or might not have. They were small fish in a relatively small pond, but it was fun nonetheless.
The difference this year is that the Racers had a chance to advance a couple of games in The Big Dance and Cameron Payne would have had a chance to show what he is made of on a more national stage. That opportunity is still there in the NIT for both the team and Payne and the experience can still be a great one for the students and players.
UK is king in basketball in Kentucky. The Murray State rifle team is always right there nationally (as was Kentucky this year). Yeah, I know, it's the RIFLE team, but it is a student achievement that should be respected if not followed and celebrated. Racer fans should just enjoy the achievements of this team and look forward to an NIT run.
The difference this year is that the Racers had a chance to advance a couple of games in The Big Dance and Cameron Payne would have had a chance to show what he is made of on a more national stage. That opportunity is still there in the NIT for both the team and Payne and the experience can still be a great one for the students and players.
UK is king in basketball in Kentucky. The Murray State rifle team is always right there nationally (as was Kentucky this year). Yeah, I know, it's the RIFLE team, but it is a student achievement that should be respected if not followed and celebrated. Racer fans should just enjoy the achievements of this team and look forward to an NIT run.
I feel bad for them as well: They did beat Eastern KY by +8 who beat Miami by +26 who beat Duke by +6 which makes Murray State 40 points better than Duke a one seed. They also beat Illinois State +12 who beat Wichita State +3 which makes Murray State 15 points better than Wichita State another tournament team. They also beat Belmont +6 another tournament team.
All 4 regular season losses came within the first 6 games of the season.
All 4 regular season losses came within the first 6 games of the season.
Yeah, 40 better than Duke... and 15 better than the Shockers...
Man, I sure hope we get somebody like Wisconsin in our bracket, instead of Murray State!
And anyone who goes on a 25 game winning streak plus undefeated in conference and gets beat by a team shooting shots out of their tail, did you see the threes they were making from half court banks and flying to the left and throw it up and it goes in, some of Murrays victims in NCAA have been Vanderbilt, NC State(Valvano) Alabama scared the pants off of Butler when they went to final game and came within a layup against Danny Manning and Kansas took numbey 1 rated Michigan State to wire, also had UNC down 10 at half and played Duke within a whisker, don't tell me they don't deserve to be in.
Waitaminute! I forgot that Wisconsin lost by 10 to Duke, so that means... !!!Originally posted by dezyDeco:
Yeah, 40 better than Duke... and 15 better than the Shockers...
Man, I sure hope we get somebody like Wisconsin in our bracket, instead of Murray State!
Anyway, these smaller colleges, that aren't in the Big 5 conferences, aren't going to get the clout that they used to get.... If they want to get a bid in the tourney, let them schedule tough out of conference games and win some of them... That's why we went to the power conferences....
The power conferences plays tougher out of conference schedules, plus they play in conference against tough teams... The best teams should make the tourney, not a junkie team that hasn't played anyone, but happened to be the best of the worst....
The tourney will be better, when the tourney's first round has big named schools playing......
The power conferences plays tougher out of conference schedules, plus they play in conference against tough teams... The best teams should make the tourney, not a junkie team that hasn't played anyone, but happened to be the best of the worst....
The tourney will be better, when the tourney's first round has big named schools playing......
Agree with everything you said except for MSU "blowing it, hard." If blowing it was that one of their ten turnovers, then sure. They blew it. Williams should have held onto the ball and went to the FT line. He's a 65% shooter so maybe he hits both and the game is basically over, or maybe he makes 1 of 2, Belmont forces OT, then who knows... However, to insinuate Belmont was undeserving of that win is not accurate IMO. They made contested shots all night long and I think they deserve some credit for that. Granted, one of their biggest threes was a prayer that banked in, but they put themselves in a spot to win and then executed perfectly.
I agree and thank that the NIT is the best place for Murray State. They won that other tournament last year. CBBL or what ever it was. I do not like term Junkie team but rather team that won 25 in a row with a history of similar accomplishments.
I think Cal has even mentioned a tournament of just the 5 power conferences. Possibly replacing the NCAA with mini professional teams. In other countries they are referred to as club teams. They even replace High School teams. Thus we have high schools and colleges doing what they do best educate.
I think Cal has even mentioned a tournament of just the 5 power conferences. Possibly replacing the NCAA with mini professional teams. In other countries they are referred to as club teams. They even replace High School teams. Thus we have high schools and colleges doing what they do best educate.
Lost to Xavier 89-62 and Valpo 93-58. Those are the only teams remotely close to NCAAT caliber teams and they got whipped. I don't see them having a case for the NCAAT.
Really??? You just used this argument that so and so team lost to this team and that team lost to this team so that means the X team is better than O team
You could play this game with any other team in the country besides us and they would be losing to a Div III school. Simply rediculous.