My last thing on the Buie perception

[Sec_112]

Let's play the comparison game.

Here's Buie's conference stats for the year ...

27.2 mpg
10.3 ppg
38% 2pt% (87 attempts)
36% 3pt% (91 attempts)
81% FT%
3.6 Assists/G
2.1 TO/G
46% eFG%
22.3 pts/100
37% FG%/100
.039 WS/40
.1 Defensive Win Shares
112.9 Defensive Rating
19 games

Here's another point guard ...

36.4 mpg
11.7 ppg
40% 2pt% (146 attempts)
28% 3pt% (76 attempts)
77% FT%
6.6 Assists/G
2.4 TO/G
41% eFG%
20.2 pts/100
36% FG%/100
.073 WS/40
.6 Defensive Win Shares
108.1 Defensive Rating
18 games

Let's guess who the second player is. Play the Jeopardy music.








The second player is the conference stats from McIntosh's sophomore year. The same McIntosh so many of you constantly reference. We can agree BMac is a top-five point guard in NU history, right? Maybe top three?

I'm not going to argue that Buie is better than BMac. There's some obvious differences. But there's plenty of similarities also. And conventional wisdom out here was EASILY and strongly positive about BMac after his sophomore season.

But Buie should be the first guy replaced ... painful to watch ... and send him to the bench on a poor team? Those of you who think Buie takes too many shots and is careless with the ball might not want to look at the relevant stats compared to McIntosh's sophomore year.

OK, that's my last speech on this topic. I understand opinions can be swayed by our own experiences. But I really find the strong opinions on Buie puzzling.

Let's hope he can shape up his decisionmaking. I think that's very coachable.

 

[Jonny2TheP]

I think there are two big differences:

1) The assists per game is a clear indicator of how much more of a facilitator McIntosh was. He was such an important part of our offense and the main facilitator in so much that we did. The same can't be said for Buie.

2) Consistency. I didn't look it up, and I'm sure McIntosh threw some stinker games in there, especially early in his career, but I surely don't remember McIntosh disappearing as much as Boo did. Boo had six games this year with 3 points or less- that's 25% of our games. When you are seen as a main scoring threat and not bringing a ton else outside of scoring, you can't just have that sort of inconsistency.

I like Boo. I think he cares and works hard. He also has the ability to carry you at times, but considering how he disappears in some games, the times he carries you are too far and far between for me. I wouldn't be surprised if Boo looks for an opportunity somewhere else next year and I really have mixed feelings on whether I think that would be a good thing or not. The reality is he has to find more consistency in his game, and I also don't know exactly what position he plays. I don't think he's ideally a point guard, but I also don't know if he moves well enough without the ball to be a typical shooting guard.

 

[GatoLouco]

Kopp is now also getting quite the beating on this board. How quickly we forget that he was our best scorer last year. While being hounded by every team that played us. Still shot 40% from 3 and 90% from the line. And that there's a good chance we get a player back from the summer giving us 15 PPG with good shooting percentages.

The one player that I just can't figure out is Beran. It just baffles me that he has no go to move under the basket. He just will jump into the defender hoping to get a foul. At 6'9, that's really passing on a good 4 pts a game. Maybe last summer was lost because of Covid and this year he will come back with something. It's on him and the coaches. Right now he is just a tall spot up, not so great, shooter

 

[JournCat]

I think there are two big differences:

1) The assists per game is a clear indicator of how much more of a facilitator McIntosh was. He was such an important part of our offense and the main facilitator in so much that we did. The same can't be said for Buie.

2) Consistency. I didn't look it up, and I'm sure McIntosh threw some stinker games in there, especially early in his career, but I surely don't remember McIntosh disappearing as much as Boo did. Boo had six games this year with 3 points or less- that's 25% of our games. When you are seen as a main scoring threat and not bringing a ton else outside of scoring, you can't just have that sort of inconsistency.

I like Boo. I think he cares and works hard. He also has the ability to carry you at times, but considering how he disappears in some games, the times he carries you are too far and far between for me. I wouldn't be surprised if Boo looks for an opportunity somewhere else next year and I really have mixed feelings on whether I think that would be a good thing or not. The reality is he has to find more consistency in his game, and I also don't know exactly what position he plays. I don't think he's ideally a point guard, but I also don't know if he moves well enough without the ball to be a typical shooting guard.

I seem to remember Mac always having trouble against his home-state teams and there were definitely some late-game failures like any player would have. (The MJ commercial about missing x number of game-winning shots comes to mind.) But the original post makes a good point that whatever criticism Buie deserves is out of proportion with what he brings to the table. I would hope he stays and continues to develop here.

 

[hoosboot]

Let's play the comparison game.

Here's Buie's conference stats for the year ...

27.2 mpg
10.3 ppg
38% 2pt% (87 attempts)
36% 3pt% (91 attempts)
81% FT%
3.6 Assists/G
2.1 TO/G
46% eFG%
22.3 pts/100
37% FG%/100
.039 WS/40
.1 Defensive Win Shares
112.9 Defensive Rating
19 games

Here's another point guard ...

36.4 mpg
11.7 ppg
40% 2pt% (146 attempts)
28% 3pt% (76 attempts)
77% FT%
6.6 Assists/G
2.4 TO/G
41% eFG%
20.2 pts/100
36% FG%/100
.073 WS/40
.6 Defensive Win Shares
108.1 Defensive Rating
18 games

Let's guess who the second player is. Play the Jeopardy music.








The second player is the conference stats from McIntosh's sophomore year. The same McIntosh so many of you constantly reference. We can agree BMac is a top-five point guard in NU history, right? Maybe top three?

I'm not going to argue that Buie is better than BMac. There's some obvious differences. But there's plenty of similarities also. And conventional wisdom out here was EASILY and strongly positive about BMac after his sophomore season.

But Buie should be the first guy replaced ... painful to watch ... and send him to the bench on a poor team? Those of you who think Buie takes too many shots and is careless with the ball might not want to look at the relevant stats compared to McIntosh's sophomore year.

OK, that's my last speech on this topic. I understand opinions can be swayed by our own experiences. But I really find the strong opinions on Buie puzzling.

Let's hope he can shape up his decisionmaking. I think that's very coachable.

Kudos, 112. You can't have a developmental program and continuously get rid of guys who are sophomores...particularly guys who were good enough to be a starter for you when they aren't upperclassmen. The team's recruiting is not nearly elite enough to support the idea that it isn't a developmental program.

 

[NJCat]

2) Consistency. I didn't look it up, and I'm sure McIntosh threw some stinker games in there, especially early in his career, but I surely don't remember McIntosh disappearing as much as Boo did. Boo had six games this year with 3 points or less- that's 25% of our games.

Bryant had 4 B1G games his Sophomore season where he scored just 4 points in each game, on a combined 8-32 shooting. It happens to young players.

 

[bringbacktherantboard]

6.6 Assists/G
The second player is the conference stats from McIntosh's sophomore year. The same McIntosh so many of you constantly reference. We can agree BMac is a top-five point guard in NU history, right? Maybe top three?
6.6 Assists/G

 

[NUCat320]

Bryant had 4 B1G games his Sophomore season where he scored just 4 points in each game, on a combined 8-32 shooting. It happens to young players.

He faded in the back half of the season in both of his first two seasons.

It’s a good post, @Sec.112. I also think it positions Boo as a guy who is much better as an off guard (Tre Demps). That’s his nature. In my perfect world, Roper steps in next year to earn the start, and Audige gets the bulk of the ball handling responsibility.

I don’t know enough about what’s good and what’s bad, but 1.7 A/TO feels like a bad number for Boo.

 

[CappyNU]

I think there are two big differences:

1) The assists per game is a clear indicator of how much more of a facilitator McIntosh was. He was such an important part of our offense and the main facilitator in so much that we did. The same can't be said for Buie.

2) Consistency. I didn't look it up, and I'm sure McIntosh threw some stinker games in there, especially early in his career, but I surely don't remember McIntosh disappearing as much as Boo did. Boo had six games this year with 3 points or less- that's 25% of our games. When you are seen as a main scoring threat and not bringing a ton else outside of scoring, you can't just have that sort of inconsistency.

I like Boo. I think he cares and works hard. He also has the ability to carry you at times, but considering how he disappears in some games, the times he carries you are too far and far between for me. I wouldn't be surprised if Boo looks for an opportunity somewhere else next year and I really have mixed feelings on whether I think that would be a good thing or not. The reality is he has to find more consistency in his game, and I also don't know exactly what position he plays. I don't think he's ideally a point guard, but I also don't know if he moves well enough without the ball to be a typical shooting guard.

I hate to bring this back to schedule again, but we all know that the 2016 schedule was extremely easy comparatively speaking.

Against Top-50 teams:

Mac (9 games, 1-8) - 37mpg, 12.9 pts, 5 assists, 2.4 turnovers, 1.0 steals, 40.7% 2pt, 29.0% 3pt
Buie (16 games, 3-13) - 27mpg, 8.1 pts, 4 assists, 2.1 turnovers, 0.6 steals, 36.2% 2pt, 31.1% 3pt

Against Top-25 teams:
Mac (6 games, 0-6) - 37mpg, 10.8 pts, 5 assists, 2.5 turnovers, 1.0 steals, 36.2% 2pt, 20.0% 3pt
Buie (10 games, 1-9) - 26mpg, 7.8 pts, 4 assists, 2.1 turnovers, 0.5 steals, 36.7% 2pt, 26.1% 3pt

Against non-top-25 teams:
Mac (13 games, 8-5) - 37mpg, 12.7 pts, 7 assists, 2.3 turnovers, 0.7 steals, 43.8% 2pt, 32.8% 3pt
Buie (10 games, 5-5) - 28mpg, 12.4 pts, 3 assists, 2.0 turnovers, 0.7 steals, 39.5% 2pt, 44.9% 3pt

Against non-top-50 teams:
Mac (10 games, 7-3) - 36mpg, 11.4 pts, 8 assists, 2.3 turnovers, 0.6 steals, 41.2% 2pt, 30.0% 3pt
Buie (4 games, 3-1) - 29mpg, 18.2 pts, 4 assists, 2.0 turnovers, 0.5 steals, 43.5% 2pt, 52.4% 3pt

I don't see a ton of difference in the performance between the two against top teams. This year we played 15 games in a row against top-50 teams including 7 in a row against top-25 teams. Mac played 4 in a row against top-50 teams, which were also all top-25.

 

[willycat]

Kopp is now also getting quite the beating on this board. How quickly we forget that he was our best scorer last year. While being hounded by every team that played us. Still shot 40% from 3 and 90% from the line. And that there's a good chance we get a player back from the summer giving us 15 PPG with good shooting percentages.

The one player that I just can't figure out is Beran. It just baffles me that he has no go to move under the basket. He just will jump into the defender hoping to get a foul. At 6'9, that's really passing on a good 4 pts a game. Maybe last summer was lost because of Covid and this year he will come back with something. It's on him and the coaches. Right now he is just a tall spot up, not so great, shooter

can't figure out what is wrong with Kopp. he does look a bit uninterested. Also have my misgivings with Boo but he does add some speed to the linup and I hope I'm wrong but think he is the most likely to transfer. just can't get those pictures of his mother sitting at the Pen. St.(?) game with his jersey and his brothers Nittany Lions one as well.

 

[GatoLouco]

can't figure out what is wrong with Kopp. he does look a bit uninterested. Also have my misgivings with Boo but he does add some speed to the linup and I hope I'm wrong but think he is the most likely to transfer. just can't get those pictures of his mother sitting at the Pen. St.(?) game with his jersey and his brothers Nittany Lions one as well.

I think Kopp is one of those guys who is too smart for his own good. Things start not going so well and he overthinks everything. Gets in his own head.