They both have potential to be good role players when they are older
My original comment on our Freshmen was wrong, I stand corrected
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What are you taking about dude. Kentucky was a top 10 team healthy. Kentucky will be undefeated against teams playing in the SEC tournament championship. Our top recruit get went to UNC. Hubert Davis. It was 100 percent a money thing.
Chandler does... He is still knocking off 2y mission rust... If we can keep him... By his junior year he will be good... Noah has a chance to be good.. Perry is just to small.. Might work OK once the system is fully in place and we can run it... But that's going to take 2 more years to really see.
We are used to top notch freshman from Calipari era. Pope come onboard after recruiting for top freshman was done. He could not get anyone great , the only player left was the guy that went to UConn.
Next year he got some higher ranked Kentucky boys. So that should be an upgrade. Once Pop can get a top 5 player outside of Kentucky and make a run in NCAA we will be “sexy “ again for top freshman. We need to be patient and let Pop develop his brand and get some results and few boys in nba.
Same thing about our current freshman, they have certain skills and will get better every year. Isn’t that what we wanted , a player development and program continuity?
Next year he got some higher ranked Kentucky boys. So that should be an upgrade. Once Pop can get a top 5 player outside of Kentucky and make a run in NCAA we will be “sexy “ again for top freshman. We need to be patient and let Pop develop his brand and get some results and few boys in nba.
Same thing about our current freshman, they have certain skills and will get better every year. Isn’t that what we wanted , a player development and program continuity?
Not everyone and definitely not I. Fears is exactly the type you need to win in the SEC. I want players that can play in this league and don’t care if they stay a year or four, just win
This! You cannot teach speed. You're born with it or you're not. Perry and Noah just are not athletic enough to play in the SEC. It's as simple as that.
you cant teach shooting either and maybe if UK had a PG puts guy in positions to score. I know Noah can shot under pressure and so can the other freshman. And its not speed, its quickness.
In 2 or 3 years, maybe.
But, we don't know today now do we?
We don't know. You included.
It's not.
Travis Ford wasn't.
John Pelphrey wasn't.
Dakari Johnson wasn't.
Then they were.
lol. The SEC hasn’t won a championship since we did in 2012. Since then, the Big East has had 5, Big 12 has 2, ACC has 3, & Conference USA had 1 (vacated). Those conferences (and some of those teams) had “unathletic guys”. Meanwhile, we had athletes upon athletes with nothing to show for it.
Chandler hasn’t played for two yrs. He’s got more upside than the other two, but I’m not sure if he can honestly recover from two yrs off. The other two will do well to be legit contributors their last two yrs. I hope they are, but I’ve said it a bunch and I’ll say it again. None of the three can be main pieces next season. Just like BG can’t be THE DUDE in the post. Just like OO can’t be our best player. If any of those statements are true, we are back to this 10 loss Tubby type season.
Those dudes played in an entirely different SEC than the one you see today. To not understand that is a little confusing. I’ll be honest, Travis Ford wouldn’t survive today. Not in the SEC we now know. And Pel, as much as I loved him and that team, probably wouldn’t have finished 10-8 in the league. The two eras just aren’t comparable.
You're a die hard Cal fan. His system does not work. I wonder if you'll ever admit that.
The unprovable argument said with absolute certainty doesn't make it fact.
You don't know with certainty any of the above.
That I understand.
They wouldn't finish 10-8. Your belief is fine, doesn't make it fact.
Travis wouldn't survive. I think he would.
If eras aren't comparable, why is everyone so sure MJ is the goat?
Perry will be a very good College basketball player in the coming years. I'd say Chandler and Noah will be good also. They've been put in a position they never should have been in. Of course Pope will recruit players that will start over them but I believe Perry will be a integral piece to next years team. Probably 10-12 mins. a game.
NO....just because I KNOW the game of basketball and am not swayed because they are WHITE KY kids
NO....did you notice I didn't mention Chandler who is Way more athletic? he has more potential than the white KY kids....keep up
Calipari is in Arkansas so as much as you still bring his name up maybe you should seek that board out. I love UK always have. Like I have said before, I’ll support whoever is coaching UK till they are not.
Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn’t make them a Calipari supporter.
If you can watch the SEC from then and watch the SEC now, and think the eras are comparable. Cool. MJ can be compared across eras because he was the best his era had ever seen. Travis Ford and John Pelphrey, respectively, were not even close to that. And now, the league will get 12-14 teams in the tournament. It’s just much, much deeper and insanely better than it ever has been. That part can’t be argued. You can argue that a couple of guys that had nice roles, not superstars by any stretch, could somehow produce that same level of contribution today if you want. I’ll ask this…Who do you see in today’s SEC that reminds you of Ford or Pel?
Blue Cain and Tyler Nickel are similar stature to Magic Pelphrey with good years. (Neither with numbers as good as Pel)
Ziegler is similar stature to Ford with a successful year. 31% from 3 compared to 50 for TF.
Yeah they would be fine.
I am amazed that it took you this long to figure it out. We have had walk on players as good as our freshmen class. Unlike you, I am not certain they can shoot at the collegian level. They certainly haven't given any reason to think otherwise.
You do realize there is significantly more to a comparison than stature, correct? Then again, you just compared Travis Ford to Ziegler. I’m wasting my time here. You win. I’m crying uncle.
Yeah zig can't shoot well enough to compare those two.
And frankly pel is better than.those hosers.
I guess they could play today.
Yeah. One of those “white” KY kids is probably our 2nd best rebounder and most physical players on the team but he won’t develop or improve because you “KNOW” the game.
Right now it's all we got from ky.
We also loved Darius Miller, Jack Givens, and Dominiqe Hawkins. See any similarities? They are one of us.
Don't be a douche.
It still amazes me that this conversation is still going... The players people are saying we need NOW to win... Don't stay more than 1 or if your lucky... 2 years.... Cal tried... He won once, and got close a couple more times..people point to Pitino... It took him a while... To get his players in... Some really good players that stuck around for 3-4 years... And sprinkled in some super freshmen. That's how you build a roster, that can absorb a injury, or a guy having an off night... But it takes time.. And the ability to hold players for 2-3 years.... And that's going to be the hard part... Chandler, Noah and Perry will pay dividends down the road... Just like Miller,Hawkins,Mills and several others will... They system has to have a chance to be put in place and let the players cook for a while before the finished product is seen.
Wait…you think Trent Noah is the second best rebounder on the team? Good lord.Yeah. One of those “white” KY kids is probably our 2nd best rebounder and most physical players on the team but he won’t develop or improve because you “KNOW” the game.
It’s not that controversial. He is just behind Garrison and Carr in rebounding percentage at 4th, 2nd in offensive rebounding percent.
He’s 5th in per 40. That all that really matters. And I’d say a good part of why he’s that high is the group he plays with when he’s in. I love the way he plays. He’s certainly got a knack for keeping possessions alive and being around the ball. But he’s nowhere near the second best rebounder on the team.
I do. Best instincts about where the ball is going to be. Always has his body on someone blocking out. Keeps possessions alive. Attacks the offensive glass. Several balls have bounced that he could get to but he’s kept his position to allow someone to get to it. Rebounding isn’t just about the number of boards you get but how many rebounding opportunities you create for your team whether it’s rebounding the ball yourself or keeping an offensive player from getting the board. We teach this to players and guys like him are what make good rebounding teams. Some of our guys get boards because of their height and not so much their effort or fundamentals.
Cameron Mills lacked speed, quickness, and could not guard a fence post. By his senior year, he was a contributor on a National Championship team. Do we beat Duke without his big shot in 1998?