Nadal

[funKYcat75]

18 grand slam wins and he’s 33. Federer sitting at 20 at age 37.

Can Nadal pass him? Surely he has at least a couple more French Open possibilities.

He’s won all four, but obviously clay courts are why he’s near the top.

 

[Zakk Wyldcat]

Barring injury, gotta figure he'll win the next couple French. Also presume that Federer will sneak in another one somewhere. And Djokovic will probably get another 2-3 in the next couple years, too.

 

[cawoodsct]

Its possible if Federer stays on 20. If Federer wins another, I’d say there is no way he could get to 22.

 

[keefsopeng]

Federer is the greatest player ever no question. Nadal is an all timer as well. Djoker will end with the most Grand Slams though. He will win 2-3 of the majors every year for the next 5 barring injury, he's a tennis robot and no one is stepping up to that mega level on a regular basis that Fed, Nadal, and Djoker are/were on.

 

[homeytheclown]

Don’t sleep on pete sampras

 

[keefsopeng]

Don’t sleep on pete sampras

Pete is my all time favorite. On the grass courts of old Wimbledon no one except maybe Fed could play with him. But even peak Pete I think would have a tough time today with how well guys like Nadal and Djoker return the huge serve. He'd still win many tournaments and be in the goat convo with the other 3 but he'd have to improve his court coverage some.

 

[cawoodsct]

Federer is the greatest player ever no question. Nadal is an all timer as well. Djoker will end with the most Grand Slams though. He will win 2-3 of the majors every year for the next 5 barring injury, he's a tennis robot and no one is stepping up to that mega level on a regular basis that Fed, Nadal, and Djoker are/were on.

He’s not going to win 10-12 more slams. 5-8 max and that’s a healthy max.

 

[homeytheclown]

Pete is my all time favorite. On the grass courts of old Wimbledon no one except maybe Fed could play with him. But even peak Pete I think would have a tough time today with how well guys like Nadal and Djoker return the huge serve. He'd still win many tournaments and be in the goat convo with the other 3 but he'd have to improve his court coverage some.

I know I used to hate serve and volley but now I miss it .

 

[funKYcat75]

It’s pretty wild that the top three slam winners for the foreseeable future all play at the same time. Must suck for the rest of the guys playing, though.

 

[keefsopeng]

He’s not going to win 10-12 more slams. 5-8 max and that’s a healthy max.

you're right i see him winning like 7-8 more in reality, I was being a little overzealous with that. But I still see him ending with the most majors

 

[TortElvisII]

RIP

 

[cawoodsct]

Slams won by Federer, Nadal and Djokovic in red.

 

[keefsopeng]

I know I used to hate serve and volley but now I miss it .

I'm the exact same way. At least mix it in some

 

[Kaizer Sosay]

One of the voices in my head says, "Bring back the wood rackets!!!"

But the other three voices are saying, "You cannot be serious!!!"

 

[kevcat]

When I was in my tennis prime, I think I could have have beaten Nadal on clay. Of course he would have only been 3 years old at the time.

It’s crazy how good the top players are.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

Federer looks like Quentin Tarantino.

Billie Jean King is the greatest ever. Not even up for debate

 

[Ahnan E. Muss]

Nadal is 93-2 at the French Open (plus one year where he withdrew from a match with a wrist injury).

 

[BlueVelvetFog]

The People’s Democratic Party misses you

 

[gamecockcat]

Does his dominance at the French somehow diminish his legacy? 2/3 of his GS titles have been the same tournament, same surface. If he'd won 12 titles at Australian and US Opens, both hard court, would he be considered better than Fed? If RF had won 13 Wimbledons, would the 20 be lessened somehow?

I think RN, RF and Joker are all-time greats, clearly all in the top 10. But I struggle where to put Nadal because so many of his Slams have been at the French where he's clearly the best of all time.

 

[kevcat]

Does his dominance at the French somehow diminish his legacy? 2/3 of his GS titles have been the same tournament, same surface. If he'd won 12 titles at Australian and US Opens, both hard court, would he be considered better than Fed? If RF had won 13 Wimbledons, would the 20 be lessened somehow?

I think RN, RF and Joker are all-time greats, clearly all in the top 10. But I struggle where to put Nadal because so many of his Slams have been at the French where he's clearly the best of all time.

Roger only has 1 French Open Title, but that doesn’t take away his status as a top three all time great. Same goes for Nadal.

 

[kevcat]

Federer looks like Quentin Tarantino.

Billie Jean King is the greatest ever. Not even up for debate

I’m pretty sure Nadal and Federer would have beaten her.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

I’m pretty sure Nadal and Federer would have beaten her.

As I stated. It's not up for debate.

 

[TortElvisII]

The People’s Democratic Party misses you

 

[BlueVelvetFog]

First thing I thought of. Just about coming to blows. Opposite sides of the aisle but string debaters.

 

[keefsopeng]

Federer looks like Quentin Tarantino.

Billie Jean King is the greatest ever. Not even up for debate

haha. i know you're trolling but at least go with Martina or Steffi. Bille's claim to fame is beating a man when it's well known he threw the match and cashed in huge.

 

[d2atTech]

Slams won by Federer, Nadal and Djokovic in red.

they are the kentucky, duke, and unc of tennis.

 

[d2atTech]

haha. i know you're trolling but at least go with Martina or Steffi. Bille's claim to fame is beating a man when it's well known he threw the match and cashed in huge.

women in general can't beat men in the top 100 easily. My college tennis coach was S. Williams hitting partner in california in the mid 2000s. He was ranked top 100, and told me he readily can beat her. it's all a biomechanics issue, being bigger helps with sports.

 

[-Mav-]

Slams won by Federer, Nadal and Djokovic in red.

Good Lord, that's unreal.

 

[gamecockcat]

The absolute best woman tennis player wouldn't be in the top 150 of the men. Don't hit the ball as hard or with as much spin as the men. Also, the men cover more ground than do the women. Not that the women aren't unreal tennis players but men are just genetically bigger, stronger and faster on average. When Martina was dominating women's tennis she was asked how many of the top men she could beat and, IIRC, she said she wouldn't be ranked in the top 300 at that time. Serena has been the GOAT for a while but she would have no prayer against the top men. Could she perhaps beat one every so often? Probably. But, if she played #150 10 times, she'd lose no less than 8, imo.

 

[homeytheclown]

The absolute best woman tennis player wouldn't be in the top 150 of the men. Don't hit the ball as hard or with as much spin as the men. Also, the men cover more ground than do the women. Not that the women aren't unreal tennis players but men are just genetically bigger, stronger and faster on average. When Martina was dominating women's tennis she was asked how many of the top men she could beat and, IIRC, she said she wouldn't be ranked in the top 300 at that time. Serena has been the GOAT for a while but she would have no prayer against the top men. Could she perhaps beat one every so often? Probably. But, if she played #150 10 times, she'd lose no less than 8, imo.

The best women’s player ever Wouldn’t take a game from a top 100 men’s division 1, Eric quigly would demolish Serena after a late night out and they know it, hell Federer could play with one hand behind his back and still win easily, he would just slice and then drop shot the big elephant. Now a better question would be women’s doubles vs men’s. Singles it’s speed agility , physical make up matters m unfortunately post modernists think women’s tennis isn’t as good because it’s been oppressed by the patriarchy lol

 

[-Mav-]

In this day and age, why hasn't there been a call to end all classes/divisions and just have one tour for any and all sports? If you're good enough to play then you're good enough to play, regardless of your genitalia/self-proclaimed orientation/genetics/ etc...

What could be more fair?

 

[cole854]

Federer is the greatest player ever no question.

With Nadal owning Fed 24-15 inc. 14-10 in finals...kinda hard to label Fed the GOAT, especially given the small 20-18 edge in slams.

 

[cole854]

The best women’s player ever Wouldn’t take a game from a top 100 men’s division 1, .

I wish there was a way to place a bet on this. You would lose.

 

[funKYcat75]

Yeah, I’d say there’s a pretty big gap between the lowest ranked pro and the 100th ranked NCAA guy. Almost apples and oranges in terms of skill and althleticism. Gotta think Serena would have somewhat of a chance off the 3rd guy from Arkansas or someone like him.

 

[homeytheclown]

I wish there was a way to place a bet on this. You would lose.

Oh buddy you would lose so bad hahah Eric quigley would run thru Serena it ain’t even a question , it’s like brittney griner vs chuck hayes I mean think straight. Drop shots slices forcing Serena to move her feet shift direction , she wouldn’t take a game

 

[rick64]

Nadal is without question the greatest clay court player we've ever seen. Still think Roger is the GOAT at this particular time, we'll just have to see what happens with him, Nadal and Novak.

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

The best women’s player ever Wouldn’t take a game from a top 100 men’s division 1, Eric quigly would demolish Serena after a late night out and they know it, hell Federer could play with one hand behind his back and still win easily, he would just slice and then drop shot the big elephant. Now a better question would be women’s doubles vs men’s. Singles it’s speed agility , physical make up matters m unfortunately post modernists think women’s tennis isn’t as good because it’s been oppressed by the patriarchy lol

Didn't McEnroe get in some trouble a couple of years ago for answering the question about where Serena would rank on the men's tour by saying "Around 700"? All hell broke loose, lots of righteous indignation and venom by a lot of folks, presumably including many who know nothing about tennis.....

Edit: found it. June 2017, from espn.com:

"Seven-time major champion John McEnroe, when asked, can confidently say Serena Williams has earned the designation as the greatest woman to play tennis.

However, in an interview Sunday as part of the book tour promoting his new memoir "But Seriously," McEnroe qualified her greatness by telling NPR that if Serena played on the men's circuit she'd be "like No. 700 in the world."

 

[gamecockcat]

With Nadal owning Fed 24-15 inc. 14-10 in finals...kinda hard to label Fed the GOAT, especially given the small 20-18 edge in slams.

Don't know the answer, but how many of RF's losses to Nadal were on clay? I think Raffie has beaten Roger at least 3 times at the French, where he's unbeatable, obviously. Of course they count, but if several of Roger's losses were to Raffie on Raffie's best surface (and the surface that he's clearly the GOAT), maybe that swings the pendulum back towards RF as GOAT. Certainly could make the argument that Nadal is no worse than top 5 all-time, if not #1.

If not for missing a chunk of his career due to amateur/pro rules in major tournaments, I think Laver could still be considered as GOAT. Could've easily won 20+ GS if he had been allowed to play them for several years in his absolute dominant prime. Won the Grand Slam in '62, was banned for 6 years, then won it again in '69. Hard to imagine that he wouldn't have won 10 or more Slam titles in those 6 years. Also, won on literally EVERY surface: grass, clay, hard court and wood (!). Impossible to compare eras due to equipment improvements, training, etc. But, damn, the Rocket was as dominant in his sport as just about anyone in any sport.

 

[cawoodsct]

Of their 39 matches, 20 have been on hard court (14 of them in outdoor hard court and 6 on indoor hard court), 16 have been on clay, and 3 have been on grass. Nadal leads both on clay (14–2) and outdoor hard court (8–6), while Federer has the edge on indoor hard court (5–1) and grass (2–1).

 

[Kaizer Sosay]

In this day and age, why hasn't there been a call to end all classes/divisions and just have one tour for any and all sports? If you're good enough to play then you're good enough to play, regardless of your genitalia/self-proclaimed orientation/genetics/ etc...

What could be more fair?

That's woke as f&$@, mav!

I hereby welcome you to the @WokeNinja club. Congrats on your promotion.