Nance to UNC
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Just saw it on ESPN. It will be surreal when he and Young battle in the post.
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Pete Nance, best available player in basketball portal, transferring to North Carolina from Northwestern
North Carolina has landed transfer Pete Nance, who averaged 14.6 points, 6.5 rebounds and 2.7 assists per game for Northwestern last season.
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I think nance will average 20-28 min per game and be in the rotation.
given duke’s incoming frosh and all of their transfers, I really find it hard to believe that young would be in the rotation and might be 10 or 11 in line by crunch time in march benches shrink and coaches may go 8 deep.
given duke’s incoming frosh and all of their transfers, I really find it hard to believe that young would be in the rotation and might be 10 or 11 in line by crunch time in march benches shrink and coaches may go 8 deep.
I think Nance was recruited to step into the Manek role. Bacot is returning in the post.Just saw it on ESPN. It will be surreal when he and Young battle in the post.
Pete Nance, best available player in basketball portal, transferring to North Carolina from Northwestern
North Carolina has landed transfer Pete Nance, who averaged 14.6 points, 6.5 rebounds and 2.7 assists per game for Northwestern last season.
And on the court, as well. The Young Man gets a chance to play for the National Championship. Not a bad deal.
Let’s get this all straight on paper:
- Phillips gives CCC an undeserved 10 year extension under mysterious circumstances.
- CCC has a worse overall record than his predecessor and fails to even obtain a winning season after the extension
- Phillips heads to the ACC
- Young heads to the ACC
- Nance heads to the ACC
- …
Report Card for Chris Collins
Recruiting B
Player Development D+
Strategy D+
In-game Coaching D
Marketing D
It got me to wondering how many sons of former NBA players have gone on to successful coaching careers... I know Paul Silas' son Stephen and Bill Walton's son Luke have had shots at head coaching... Danny Manning's dad played in the NBA for many years... maybe an NBA fan knows of some cases where an NBA player's son went on to be a successful head coach.
Recruiting B
Player Development D+
Strategy D+
In-game Coaching D
Marketing D
It got me to wondering how many sons of former NBA players have gone on to successful coaching careers... I know Paul Silas' son Stephen and Bill Walton's son Luke have had shots at head coaching... Danny Manning's dad played in the NBA for many years... maybe an NBA fan knows of some cases where an NBA player's son went on to be a successful head coach.
Star athletes are often poor at understanding and/or communicating how to do fundamentals, techniques and game understanding because they come naturally to them and they don't have to think about them much.
We tend to overrate CC’s recruiting and slightly underrate his coaching. He hasn’t had several Big Ten-caliber players at once since 2018. His results are about what you’d expect for not having a point guard or more than two or three players who can reliably create their own shot. Just because a player has offers and stars doesn’t mean he will make it. Of course picking and developing recruits is 100% on CC and where I have been the most disappointed.
In basketball, a few can be alot. That would be almost half. And didn't they both make a big difference?
They made a difference - just enough of a difference to make the tournament.
Taphorn lit it up from 3. Lumpkin was a scrappy, tough player who defended well.
What that team had, beyond "above average" talent, was a clear, consistent rotation.
Pardon was the center, playing 32 minutes per game. Benson backed him up.
McIntosh was the point guard, playing 34+ minutes per game. Brown backed him up.
Law was one forward, playing 34+ minutes per game. Skelly backed him up.
Lumpkin was the other forward, playing almost 28 minutes per game. Skelly backed him up too.
Lindsey was the 2nd guard, playing almost 31 minutes per game. Brown backed him up too.
Taphorn came off the bench as needed as a shooter or a forward.
In other words, players knew their roles and performed well as a team.
The subs came in and mostly held their own, although Brown was clearly a step down.
Essentially it was a 7 man team, with Taphorn as an additional situational weapon.
That team is NU's exhibit A for "Figure out who your best players are and go with what works."
(In other words, stop this nonsense of having starters and a 2nd unit!)
At least thats how I see it!
Taphorn lit it up from 3. Lumpkin was a scrappy, tough player who defended well.
What that team had, beyond "above average" talent, was a clear, consistent rotation.
Pardon was the center, playing 32 minutes per game. Benson backed him up.
McIntosh was the point guard, playing 34+ minutes per game. Brown backed him up.
Law was one forward, playing 34+ minutes per game. Skelly backed him up.
Lumpkin was the other forward, playing almost 28 minutes per game. Skelly backed him up too.
Lindsey was the 2nd guard, playing almost 31 minutes per game. Brown backed him up too.
Taphorn came off the bench as needed as a shooter or a forward.
In other words, players knew their roles and performed well as a team.
The subs came in and mostly held their own, although Brown was clearly a step down.
Essentially it was a 7 man team, with Taphorn as an additional situational weapon.
That team is NU's exhibit A for "Figure out who your best players are and go with what works."
(In other words, stop this nonsense of having starters and a 2nd unit!)
At least thats how I see it!
You might be right. But saying that the man has not had B1G caliber players is, at best, as likely as not having developed them to be B1G caliber.
It’s an impossible point to prove, but if only these guys made better decisions on the court, you’d be singing a different song.
And that ignores many other aspects of coaching, like style of play/strategy, game planning, lineups, substitutions, etc.
You see lack of B1G caliber players. I see a complete waste of talent that could have made last year’s team the best ever at NU.
That’s, IMO, a great summary.
I did not see it that way at the time, but over the last 3 years I’ve become convinced that what worked for that team was having a coach on the floor. That made up for the lack of a competent one on the sidelines.
Next year, more than All State or lack of glue guy, coach on the floor was still there, but so were inflated egos and weight of ranked team expectations. And a team composed of the same 4 best players, one year older, completely fell apart.
I'd say that second year we also missed Taphorn's consistent 5 points/12 minutes/game contribution which might have added 2 to 5 wins to our dismal record. I mean, who knows right?, but he was a pretty consistent off the bench guy and that lack was sorely felt.
An interesting twist at UNC. The #2 recruit in the country has decommitted from the Heels, a stretch 4 named GG Jackson. Could it be that the presence of Pete, also a stretch 4, would impact the one-and-done Jackson's playing time? Did he watch Pete's tape from NU and say "I'm outta here"? This from The Atlantic:
North Carolina’s coaching staff had sold the 6-foot-9, 210-pound Jackson on playing as a stretch four in Davis’ more perimeter-oriented offense. In that role last season, graduate transfer Brady Manek developed into one of the nation’s best big man shooters, posting career highs in points per game (15.1) and 3-point percentage (40.3 percent). The Tar Heels used their final available scholarship this offseason on Northwestern transfer Pete Nance, who is expected to start and follow in Manek’s footsteps.
According to the story, this is the first UNC decommit "in the modern era". Way to go, Pete!!
North Carolina’s coaching staff had sold the 6-foot-9, 210-pound Jackson on playing as a stretch four in Davis’ more perimeter-oriented offense. In that role last season, graduate transfer Brady Manek developed into one of the nation’s best big man shooters, posting career highs in points per game (15.1) and 3-point percentage (40.3 percent). The Tar Heels used their final available scholarship this offseason on Northwestern transfer Pete Nance, who is expected to start and follow in Manek’s footsteps.
According to the story, this is the first UNC decommit "in the modern era". Way to go, Pete!!
If I’m understanding correctly, he’s both decommitting and reclassifying into this year’s class, which will allow him to enter the NBA for the 2023 draft, instead of the 2024 draft.
So, perhaps he wanted to reclassify, but UNC had used its last scholarship (all 13 schollies!?!), and his home state school was the best option.
No. This
It's not almost half. Not even close. They contributed but McIntosh, Pardon, Law and Lindsey were, without a doubt, the core of that team. Those 4 guys scored about 50 points a game and contributed about 20 rebounds and 10 assists a game. Lumpkin did a lot of good things his 5th season but he averaged 6 points, 5.5 rebounds, .6 steals and .4 blocks a game (about the same stats as the much hated Robbie Beran), so he benefitted from being on a team that could compensate for his lack of scoring. And Taphorn contributed 4.5 points a game in about 12 minutes a game. They certainly helped win some games but, again, that's because the core guys were keeping the team in games. Skelly helped win some games too (he averaged 6.0 and 1.2 blocks a games in 17 minutes) and even I. Brown had his moments. Collins did a fantastic job of recruiting players in his first season (Law, McIntosh and Lindsey) and Pardon was a great addition to that core the following season. Law was our best perimeter defender (he would guard the other team's quickest player) and a fantastic rebounder for a 3. Lindsey became a very dependable scorer in the tournament season. Pardon was a great rebounder and rim protector and was one of the few guys in the entire time that I have been following NU basketball that could actually finish at the basket. And, when he was on offensively, McIntosh carried us on his back to some huge wins. Collins has not come close to recruiting that level of player. He has recruited more highly ranked players but they have not been nearly as good on the court. Nance is the only guy on last year's team that would have started on the tournament team (in place of Lumpkin).
Well, doesn't that suggest he has been and is a great recruiter' so the question is, what happened when they got to NU? He coached great that NCAA year, and with largely his players--what has happened?
A breakdown on ESPN. Seems like they believe it was, indeed, driven by Nance. He was a 2023 commit, wanted to reclassify to 2022 and Nance is in the way.
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No. 6 prospect G.G. Jackson becomes first recruit to decommit from North Carolina men's basketball program since 2003
Elite rising senior G.G. Jackson announced Thursday that he has decommitted from North Carolina, becoming the first prospect to decommit from the Tar Heels in nearly 20 years.
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Recruiting one great class does not make him a great recruiter. We have gone through this before but the 3 classes after the first class netted Pardon and Gaines. Ash, I. Brown and Benson were not good college players. Falzon got hurt. Rap transferred. Gaines was decent. So 3 classes and one starter and one rotation guy. Not a recipe for success for any program.
He recruited that first class on promises of a new world at NU basketball. He had no track record as a coach and there was nothing negative for recruits to shy away from. It was a golden opportunity.
Unfortunately it changed fairly quickly, with just the one recruiting bump up when we made the NCAA tournament. That too faded.
It was driven by his late decision to reclassify. Had he announced that plan in May, and UNC had still kept recruiting Nance, then it would have been driven by Nance.A breakdown on ESPN. Seems like they believe it was, indeed, driven by Nance. He was a 2023 commit, wanted to reclassify to 2022 and Nance is in the way.
No. 6 prospect G.G. Jackson becomes first recruit to decommit from North Carolina men's basketball program since 2003
Elite rising senior G.G. Jackson announced Thursday that he has decommitted from North Carolina, becoming the first prospect to decommit from the Tar Heels in nearly 20 years.
It’s a stupid distinction, but a distinction nonetheless.
Quite a leap here to saying they believe it was driven by Nance. NC is going to be a beast next season with or without Jackson. It seems far more driven by SC allowing a reclassification whereas NC seemed to have much less interest in that.A breakdown on ESPN. Seems like they believe it was, indeed, driven by Nance. He was a 2023 commit, wanted to reclassify to 2022 and Nance is in the way.
No. 6 prospect G.G. Jackson becomes first recruit to decommit from North Carolina men's basketball program since 2003
Elite rising senior G.G. Jackson announced Thursday that he has decommitted from North Carolina, becoming the first prospect to decommit from the Tar Heels in nearly 20 years.
Well, he’s reclassifying into 2022 from 2023. His move into 2022 is an issue for UNC because they are out of scholarships because they gave their last one to Nance. If UNC had known he was going to reclass they would have held the scholarship open for him.
Maybe, but I have to think that discussion was on the table while he was being recruited and certainly before Nance came into the picture. Not sure the scholarship is that useful for a guy that has pretty much stated his intent to get to the league as soon as possible. Likely make more in NIL that easily covers the cost of one year.
There's a story about Pete in The Athletic today......
“I obviously went through the NBA Draft process and was really focused on that, thought I had a good chance,” Nance said, “but was looking for a place where I could take my game to the next level and really showcase my full skill set.”
Sigh...