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[m4CatKY]

Good info thanks. I'll definitely check out the Lost Speedways. Honestly, I've lived in the San Antonio Metro Area since 2015 and had no clue there even was a San Antonio Speedway. Researched and found out it succeeded the Pan American Speedway that closed in 1978.

Before I moved to Texas I was working for a Company out of Cincinnati that had a secondary sponsorship of a car running in the Nascar Slim Jim Series. Driver was named Spanks Overbeck. I have no idea how I remember all of that but one day they were doing Time Testing at Kentucky Speedway and we set up a Hospitality tent on Pit Road. Good times and exactly what you were talking about.

I could see how TMS was the beginning of the end for TWS. I've been to TMS for Nascar three times and it's a great facility. Im not the biggest fan of the racing there but it has a good following and the event is fun.

Found a couple of cool videos of/about the San Antonio tracks

I really enjoyed those videos and getting to learn about those tracks more. It is interesting that they built two Pan American Speedways, and the first one owned by someone else named Jimmy Johnson. Do they still have any weekly racing series in the area of San Antonio and Austin? Saw where Terry Labonte won the track championship at the San Antonio Speedway, and in Houston & Corpus Christi. I looked up Spanks Overbeck on Racing Reference to see if he raced at the old Louisville Motor Speedway. He raced against several names I recognized that went on to Cup, Xfinity and the Truck Series. My Uncle who has now passed away, he used to sponsor a car that would run at Louisville Motor Speedway with his construction company. This was his car. https://i.postimg.cc/5NQ3XCHZ/thumbnail.jpg

Spanks Overbeck's 2 races at Louisville Motor Speedway.
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Race Results - Racing-Reference

 

[PickSixKing]

I really enjoyed those videos and getting to learn about those tracks more. It is interesting that they built two Pan American Speedways, and the first one owned by someone else named Jimmy Johnson. Do they still have any weekly racing series in the area of San Antonio and Austin? Saw where Terry Labonte won the track championship at the San Antonio Speedway, and in Houston & Corpus Christi. I looked up Spanks Overbeck on Racing Reference to see if he raced at the old Louisville Motor Speedway. He raced against several names I recognized that went on to Cup, Xfinity and the Truck Series. My Uncle who has now passed away, he used to sponsor a car that would run at Louisville Motor Speedway with his construction company. This was his car. https://i.postimg.cc/5NQ3XCHZ/thumbnail.jpg

Spanks Overbeck's 2 races at Louisville Motor Speedway.
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Race Results - Racing-Reference

That figure 8 racing at Pan American was wild. Didn't they do that at Louisville also? Pretty cool looking car that your uncle sponsored. That's awesome.

It doesn't seem that in the City of San Antonio or Austin there are any active tracks other than COTA which has racing of some sort much of the year. I got to see the MotoGP there from the FRed Bull Suite last year. Austin is just a different mindset when it comes to racing. Heck when I first moved there from Kentucky Lance Armstrong was on top of the world and you would see literal packs of cyclists everywhere. Now they are F1 Crazy there which is cool but man getting tickets for the Grand Prix is crazy expensive.

In South Texas there appears to be 3 really active Speedways. I-37 Speedway in Pleasanton which is about 30 minutes SE of San Antonio. South Texas Race Ranch in Corpus Christi and Texana Raceway in Edna TX which is a little north of Corpus near the Gulf Coast. Looks like they all have a really good following.

Thanks for the info on Overbeck. If I remember correctly he was a rookie or just getting started. I had looked up one of his Slim Jim Races and saw David Reutiman and Carl Long in the race. My brain also remembered there was an ARCA Driver there the testing day at Kentucky Speedway named Frak Kerr.

 

[PickSixKing]

I-37 Speedway in Pleasanton


South Texas Race Ranch in Corpus Christi


Texana Raceway in Edna TX


Pretty interesting footage of Abandoned San Antonio Speedway from 6 years ago

 

[PickSixKing]

Absolutely crazy finish in the ARCA Race at Sonoma yesterday.

 

[m4CatKY]

That figure 8 racing at Pan American was wild. Didn't they do that at Louisville also? Pretty cool looking car that your uncle sponsored. That's awesome.

It doesn't seem that in the City of San Antonio or Austin there are any active tracks other than COTA which has racing of some sort much of the year. I got to see the MotoGP there from the FRed Bull Suite last year. Austin is just a different mindset when it comes to racing. Heck when I first moved there from Kentucky Lance Armstrong was on top of the world and you would see literal packs of cyclists everywhere. Now they are F1 Crazy there which is cool but man getting tickets for the Grand Prix is crazy expensive.

In South Texas there appears to be 3 really active Speedways. I-37 Speedway in Pleasanton which is about 30 minutes SE of San Antonio. South Texas Race Ranch in Corpus Christi and Texana Raceway in Edna TX which is a little north of Corpus near the Gulf Coast. Looks like they all have a really good following.

Thanks for the info on Overbeck. If I remember correctly he was a rookie or just getting started. I had looked up one of his Slim Jim Races and saw David Reutiman and Carl Long in the race. My brain also remembered there was an ARCA Driver there the testing day at Kentucky Speedway named Frak Kerr.

Figure 8 racing was awesome to see in-person. In 2001, we went to see Monster Jam in Louisville. They did the figure 8 course at the track, as well as the freestyle event. I can only imagine what those F1 prices must be like. They sink so much money into the sport and the costs are outrageous. You can tell with how elaborate facilities look like at COTA, Miami International Autodrome, and the Las Vegas Grand Prix street setup compared to Chicago last week. That would be cool to see more drivers from south Texas at those tracks become huge in NASCAR like the Labontes and David Starr. I saw where Kerr after his driving career, became a crew chief for Bobby Labonte, Starr, David Reutimann, and still going with Brennan Poole today. That clip of the ARCA race was awesome. I did not see that race since it was on Flo Racing. That was some exciting road course racing there for a 3-wide finish at the line.

 

[m4CatKY]

Exciting battle between Zilisch & SVG to finish the Xfinity race.

 

[PickSixKing]

Exciting battle between Zilisch & SVG to finish the Xfinity race.

SVG was doing everything to get to Zilisch's bumper at the end but Z was flawless. Great racing for the lead most of the day with a few lead changes between the 88 and 9. The problem is that they were head and shoulders above the rest of the field. Wish CZ was racing tomorrow.

I had a blast watching those guys race. I think SVG did also giving the thumbs up to Connor as their side by side

 

[PickSixKing]

Dale JR. Finishing 1-2 is pretty cool also.

 

[m4CatKY]

Dale JR. Finishing 1-2 is pretty cool also.

Definitely an exciting finish between two of the best there. I wonder if they weren't both JRM cars, if SVG would have gave him a bump and run?

 

[PickSixKing]

Definitely an exciting finish between two of the best there. I wonder if they weren't both JRM cars, if SVG would have gave him a bump and run?

I think he definitely would have been more aggressive if it were someone else. He knew he didn't have enough juice to get past the 88 clean so he rubbed him a little but nothing too crazy.

I think SVG was already on Double Secret Probation from Chicago last week anyways . He knew he couldn't punt Zilisch 2 weeks in a row.

 

[m4CatKY]

I think he definitely would have been more aggressive if it were someone else. He knew he didn't have enough juice to get past the 88 clean so he rubbed him a little but nothing too crazy.

I think SVG was already on Double Secret Probation from Chicago last week anyways . He knew he couldn't punt Zilisch 2 weeks in a row.

Good point there. I had forgotten about last week between them both in JRM cars. 2 weeks in a row as teammates would have been a bad look for sure.

 

[PickSixKing]

Good point there. I had forgotten about last week between them both in JRM cars. 2 weeks in a row as teammates would have been a bad look for sure.

Yeah man you can get away with that once but 2 weeks in a row is a different story.

Not sure if you paid any attention to Cup Qualifying earlier but everyone in the 1st Group got screwed. The track was playing so much faster for the 2nd Session. Byron being P3 and qualifying in Group 1 is amazing. If he avoids trouble he's gonna be tough tomorrow.

Suarez had the fastest time in the 1st Grouop for most of the session and he starts P19. Suarez and McDowell (P15) both had great runs but really bad luck being in the 1st Group.

2nd Session SVG posts the fastest Qualifying time early in the sessions then some guys started getting close to his time and SVG comes out and runs another Qualifying Lap and takes another .25 off his time. Kinda like, Don't mess with me. He obviously is sitting on a big race.

Larson was in the 2nd Session and never seemed super comfortable. Surprised at that. I keep saying Busch is due yet he qualified P17 out of the 2nd Session. Bunch of Drivers seem dialed in though. There will be a fight at the top. Chastain, Allmendinger and Gibbs are P4-P6. Wouldn't be surprised if any of them won.

 

[m4CatKY]

Yeah man you can get away with that once but 2 weeks in a row is a different story.

Not sure if you paid any attention to Cup Qualifying earlier but everyone in the 1st Group got screwed. The track was playing so much faster for the 2nd Session. Byron being P3 and qualifying in Group 1 is amazing. If he avoids trouble he's gonna be tough tomorrow.

Suarez had the fastest time in the 1st Grouop for most of the session and he starts P19. Suarez and McDowell (P15) both had great runs but really bad luck being in the 1st Group.

2nd Session SVG posts the fastest Qualifying time early in the sessions then some guys started getting close to his time and SVG comes out and runs another Qualifying Lap and takes another .25 off his time. Kinda like, Don't mess with me. He obviously is sitting on a big race.

Larson was in the 2nd Session and never seemed super comfortable. Surprised at that. I keep saying Busch is due yet he qualified P17 out of the 2nd Session. Bunch of Drivers seem dialed in though. There will be a fight at the top. Chastain, Allmendinger and Gibbs are P4-P6. Wouldn't be surprised if any of them won.

I caught qualifying about halfway through the session this afternoon. McDowell mentioned what you said about the advantage of group 2 after the track evolved once the track temp and rubber built up on the surface. If Larson has a bad day, I wouldn't mind seeing Allmendinger and SVG battling it out for the win after that blazing lap for the pole yesterday. Got a much better qualifying spot than he did last week at the CSC. That is impressive for Byron with that much speed out of the first group and come in 3rd. I may be off on this, but Ty Gibbs has run better in the races this summer. Coming off 2nd last week, 3rd at Michigan. 3 Gibbs cars and 23XI with Reddick in the Top 10. Kyle Busch has had some terrible luck this year. If anyone needs a good run this week it is him.

 

[m4CatKY]

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[PickSixKing]

I caught qualifying about halfway through the session this afternoon. McDowell mentioned what you said about the advantage of group 2 after the track evolved once the track temp and rubber built up on the surface. If Larson has a bad day, I wouldn't mind seeing Allmendinger and SVG battling it out for the win after that blazing lap for the pole yesterday. Got a much better qualifying spot than he did last week at the CSC. That is impressive for Byron with that much speed out of the first group and come in 3rd. I may be off on this, but Ty Gibbs has run better in the races this summer. Coming off 2nd last week, 3rd at Michigan. 3 Gibbs cars and 23XI with Reddick in the Top 10. Kyle Busch has had some terrible luck this year. If anyone needs a good run this week it is him.

Some pretty wild odds for this week. Im surprised how big of a favorite SVG is. Definitely could be some money to be made for those that like to wager. Gibbs as the 5th betting choice is interesting. Byron +1800, Allmendinger +2000 and Chastain +2500 is wild.

I just wish that the stages would go away. They have made pit strategy on Road Courses much less challenging. I don't think we will see many cautions today so I would much rather see drivers having to pit while green than be given a forced caution at the end of the stage.

2025 NASCAR Sonoma odds, drivers, lineup​

(odds are subject to change)
Shane van Gisbergen +125
Kyle Larson +600
Michael McDowell +1100
Tyler Reddick +1200
Ty Gibbs +1300
Chase Elliott +1300
Chris Buescher +1300
Christopher Bell +1800
William Byron +1800
AJ Allmendinger +2000
Kyle Busch +2500
Ross Chastain +2500
Ryan Blaney +3500
Alex Bowman +4000
Chase Briscoe +4000
Denny Hamlin +6000
Carson Hocevar +6000
Joey Logano +6000
Daniel Suarez +6000
Ryan Preece +6000
Austin Cindric +8000
Brad Keselowski +20000
John Hunter Nemechek +25000
Zane Smith +25000
Bubba Wallace +25000
Justin Haley +35000
Todd Gilliland +35000
Erik Jones +35000
Noah Gragson +50000
Austin Dillon +50000
Cole Custer +50000
Josh Berry +75000
Ricky Stenhouse Jr. +75000
Riley Herbst +100000
Cody Ware +200000
Katherine Legge +200000

 

[PickSixKing]

Wild Sonoma Finish from back in the day for all of the Old School fans.

 

[m4CatKY]

Some pretty wild odds for this week. Im surprised how big of a favorite SVG is. Definitely could be some money to be made for those that like to wager. Gibbs as the 5th betting choice is interesting. Byron +1800, Allmendinger +2000 and Chastain +2500 is wild.

I just wish that the stages would go away. They have made pit strategy on Road Courses much less challenging. I don't think we will see many cautions today so I would much rather see drivers having to pit while green than be given a forced caution at the end of the stage.

2025 NASCAR Sonoma odds, drivers, lineup​

(odds are subject to change)
Shane van Gisbergen +125
Kyle Larson +600
Michael McDowell +1100
Tyler Reddick +1200
Ty Gibbs +1300
Chase Elliott +1300
Chris Buescher +1300
Christopher Bell +1800
William Byron +1800
AJ Allmendinger +2000
Kyle Busch +2500
Ross Chastain +2500
Ryan Blaney +3500
Alex Bowman +4000
Chase Briscoe +4000
Denny Hamlin +6000
Carson Hocevar +6000
Joey Logano +6000
Daniel Suarez +6000
Ryan Preece +6000
Austin Cindric +8000
Brad Keselowski +20000
John Hunter Nemechek +25000
Zane Smith +25000
Bubba Wallace +25000
Justin Haley +35000
Todd Gilliland +35000
Erik Jones +35000
Noah Gragson +50000
Austin Dillon +50000
Cole Custer +50000
Josh Berry +75000
Ricky Stenhouse Jr. +75000
Riley Herbst +100000
Cody Ware +200000
Katherine Legge +200000

Looking at those odds and the speed JGR has shown. Somebody could potentially make some good money on Chase Briscoe. Lining up 2nd, and the only other driver other than SVG with a qualifying lap below 75.000.

 

[m4CatKY]

Wild Sonoma Finish from back in the day for all of the Old School fans.

Definitely one of the more inconsistent calls over the years considering there have so many egregious incidents where nothing happened. 32 years ago today Davey passed away in that helicopter crash.

 

[The A-Team]

I just wish that the stages would go away. They have made pit strategy on Road Courses much less challenging. I don't think we will see many cautions today so I would much rather see drivers having to pit while green than be given a forced caution at the end of the stage.

Stages suck. If they're going to have them, I liked when they did away with cautions at the end of stages at the road course. Just kept pushing right through to the next one with no yellow flag.

 

[PickSixKing]

Looking at those odds and the speed JGR has shown. Somebody could potentially make some good money on Chase Briscoe. Lining up 2nd, and the only other driver other than SVG with a qualifying lap below 75.000.

Well it turns out nobody had any real challenge for SVG. Dude is just in a class by himself on a Road Courses right now. Blaney was really flying but Briscoe forces him of the track in Stage 1 and Buescher punts him in Stage 2.

Here is how Larson described SVG after qualifying. I guess he explains why he is so good better than me. On to Dover.

 

[PickSixKing]

Stages suck. If they're going to have them, I liked when they did away with cautions at the end of stages at the road course. Just kept pushing right through to the next one with no yellow flag.

You're spot on. It completely destroys so much of the strategy of Road Racing (all racing) and let's guys not in the hunt get Playoff Points by staying out and rewards them with a free caution!

I know you like the Ovals. Should we be excited about Dover?

 

[The A-Team]

You're spot on. It completely destroys so much of the strategy of Road Racing (all racing) and let's guys not in the hunt get Playoff Points by staying out and rewards them with a free caution!

I know you like the Ovals. Should we be excited about Dover?

You are exactly right. SVG really played this playoff points system to his benefit. 26th overall in points, yet 3rd in the playoff standings. I fault the system, not him for doing what he needed to. Passing usually sucks there at Dover. A lot of one-lane racing and aero-blocking to stay ahead, which makes for a boring race. Last year Larson ran Hamlin down at Dover late in the race, couldn't get around Denny once he caught him. The high groove which he usually takes advantage was not there. It’s not really a big multi-groove track and not a high line like Bristol. Seems to be a common theme at this track over the years. Ironically though, as someone who has ran iRacing in the past. Dover was my one and only victory.

 

[vhcat1970]

^ SVG is the best. But CE's late tire pit strategy might have worked had there not been those 2-3 yellows in last 10 laps.

 

[m4CatKY]

Well it turns out nobody had any real challenge for SVG. Dude is just in a class by himself on a Road Courses right now. Blaney was really flying but Briscoe forces him of the track in Stage 1 and Buescher punts him in Stage 2.

Here is how Larson described SVG after qualifying. I guess he explains why he is so good better than me. On to Dover.

I have been saying for years now, one of these road course guys are going to throw a wrench into the entire playoff picture. SVG is that guy right now. Ovals aren't his strength, but if he were to survive the first cut and win the roval in the 2nd round, he would be in the top half of the playoffs. Thought it would be Allmendinger as the first guy to shake up the playoffs with his expertise showing up, but that is SVG now. Another chance for him to add on still at The Glen.

 

[jsmith4415]

^ SVG is the best. But CE's late tire pit strategy might have worked had there not been those 2-3 yellows in last 10 laps.

Alan Gustafson is Jekyll and Hyde. I listen to Chase’s scanner each week. I’m constantly blown away by the decisions Alan Gustafson made under Gordon and now Chase.

 

[jsmith4415]

I have been saying for years now, one of these road course guys are going to throw a wrench into the entire playoff picture. SVG is that guy right now. Ovals aren't his strength, but if he were to survive the first cut and win the roval in the 2nd round, he would be in the top half of the playoffs. Thought it would be Allmendinger as the first guy to shake up the playoffs with his expertise showing up, but that is SVG now. Another chance for him to add on still at The Glen.

Not being crass but I don’t know that he dominates RC’s. Hes been the street course guy winning 3 of 4 races. But the traditional RC’s he hasn’t been as dominant.

 

[m4CatKY]

^ SVG is the best. But CE's late tire pit strategy might have worked had there not been those 2-3 yellows in last 10 laps.

Chase Elliott found some speed as the race kept going on. He was really pushing it hard on that last run and fell back when he got off track in the dirt some. He may have caught SVG on the last run, but don't know if he would have had time to make a clean pass on him after all of those restarts. He continued his run of consistency rebounding for 3rd.

 

[PickSixKing]

You are exactly right. SVG really played this playoff points system to his benefit. 26th overall in points, yet 3rd in the playoff standings. I fault the system, not him for doing what he needed to. Passing usually sucks there at Dover. A lot of one-lane racing and aero-blocking to stay ahead, which makes for a boring race. Last year Larson ran Hamlin down at Dover late in the race, couldn't get around Denny once he caught him. The high groove which he usually takes advantage was not there. It’s not really a big multi-groove track and not a high line like Bristol. Seems to be a common theme at this track over the years. Ironically though, as someone who has ran iRacing in the past. Dover was my one and only victory.

Good stuff man thanks. Hopefully the weather will be dry and it will be a good race.

I've never done the IRacing but it looks like lime it would be super addicting.

Its a long haul from Sonoma to Dover. I saw this pop up on my YouTube Feed. It's gotta be a big job getting everything from Coast To Coast.

 

[PickSixKing]

I have been saying for years now, one of these road course guys are going to throw a wrench into the entire playoff picture. SVG is that guy right now. Ovals aren't his strength, but if he were to survive the first cut and win the roval in the 2nd round, he would be in the top half of the playoffs. Thought it would be Allmendinger as the first guy to shake up the playoffs with his expertise showing up, but that is SVG now. Another chance for him to add on still at The Glen.

Yeah I think at Watkins Glen some guys are going to need to change up their Pit Sequence and try to make it so SVG isn't always on the lead. Stages have made it more difficult to try different strategies. Maybe some guys might try to make it a one stop race at Watkins Glen and at least SVG would have to pass a few guys. Once he hits the clean air he's gone. Crazy how he was playing Cat & Mouse in the 2nd & 3rd stage yesterday. He's saving tires while other guys are going all out and still can't catch him.

 

[The A-Team]

Good stuff man thanks. Hopefully the weather will be dry and it will be a good race.

I've never done the IRacing but it looks like lime it would be super addicting.

Its a long haul from Sonoma to Dover. I saw this pop up on my YouTube Feed. It's gotta be a big job getting everything from Coast To Coast.

That is awesome the crew is taking the time to show what the ride is like from their long haul back. They have put in a massive amount of miles lately from Mexico and back, and now leaving Sonoma. I thought KY to GA in a day wore me out. Nothing like this though.

 

[m4CatKY]

Yeah I think at Watkins Glen some guys are going to need to change up their Pit Sequence and try to make it so SVG isn't always on the lead. Stages have made it more difficult to try different strategies. Maybe some guys might try to make it a one stop race at Watkins Glen and at least SVG would have to pass a few guys. Once he hits the clean air he's gone. Crazy how he was playing Cat & Mouse in the 2nd & 3rd stage yesterday. He's saving tires while other guys are going all out and still can't catch him.

I look forward to seeing the different strategies teams can try out at Watkins Glen in order to win there a month from now. I liked the call the #9 team did coming in for tires. Just needed another lap or two on green and things would have been exciting at the end if he caught SVG. It was interesting listening to Stephen Doran talk about how SVG did not like his car in practice over the weekend.

 

[The A-Team]

I look forward to seeing the different strategies teams can try out at Watkins Glen in order to win there a month from now. I liked the call the #9 team did coming in for tires. Just needed another lap or two on green and things would have been exciting at the end if he caught SVG. It was interesting listening to Stephen Doran talk about how SVG did not like his car in practice over the weekend.

It was a pretty easy call to make for Doran. They were not giving up that track position with SVG's speed all weekend, especially that late in the race.

 

[PickSixKing]

That is awesome the crew is taking the time to show what the ride is like from their long haul back. They have put in a massive amount of miles lately from Mexico and back, and now leaving Sonoma. I thought KY to GA in a day wore me out. Nothing like this though.

It really has been a ton of miles for those guys this year. Google tells me it's 2,822 miles from Sonoma to Dover. God bless those guys because that sounds miserable!

 

[PickSixKing]

 

[PickSixKing]

 

[PickSixKing]

I look forward to seeing the different strategies teams can try out at Watkins Glen in order to win there a month from now. I liked the call the #9 team did coming in for tires. Just needed another lap or two on green and things would have been exciting at the end if he caught SVG. It was interesting listening to Stephen Doran talk about how SVG did not like his car in practice over the weekend.

Haha yeah I remember seeing this during qualifying.. dude is probably a perfectionist. I guess most good drivers are.



I loved the move by Elliot and McDowell late in the race. 71 was doing the same as The 9 just one or two spots behind him. If it wasn't for that last caution it would have been a darn interesting finish.

I remember Marcos Ambrose would pit at like lap 12 or 15 (before stages), way before anyone else, just so he could get on a different sequence. It was baffling and brilliant at the same time, and often paid off. I think it will take something random like that to throw SVG off at Watkins Glen.

 

[m4CatKY]

Haha yeah I remember seeing this during qualifying.. dude is probably a perfectionist. I guess most good drivers are.



I loved the move by Elliot and McDowell late in the race. 71 was doing the same as The 9 just one or two spots behind him. If it wasn't for that last caution it would have been a darn interesting finish.

I remember Marcos Ambrose would pit at like lap 12 or 15 (before stages), way before anyone else, just so he could get on a different sequence. It was baffling and brilliant at the same time, and often paid off. I think it will take something random like that to throw SVG off at Watkins Glen.

That is a scary angle from the view of the tire changer on pit road. I remember when NASCAR first mandated the crew members over the wall having to wear helmets after Ward Burton accidentally hit Ricky Rudd's crewmembers in the early 2000s. He was distraught after the race in the interview. The entire charter system is a mess. I miss the days of competitive qualifying racing your way on speed. Competitive teams still had some protection with provisionals for teams who had enough owners points to fall back on if they had an incident in qualifying and past champions making the field. It was great to see how Marcos Ambrose worked his way up through the ranks once he transitioned to NASCAR going through the Trucks, Xfinity and the Cup Series. Do you remember the feud Ambrose and Boris Said had at Mexico? Ambrose tried to smooth things over on live TV after that wearing one of the "Said Heads" but Boris wasn't having any of it. Said & Greg Biffle had a run in at Watkins Glen after that.

 

[PickSixKing]

That is a scary angle from the view of the tire changer on pit road. I remember when NASCAR first mandated the crew members over the wall having to wear helmets after Ward Burton accidentally hit Ricky Rudd's crewmembers in the early 2000s. He was distraught after the race in the interview. The entire charter system is a mess. I miss the days of competitive qualifying racing your way on speed. Competitive teams still had some protection with provisionals for teams who had enough owners points to fall back on if they had an incident in qualifying and past champions making the field. It was great to see how Marcos Ambrose worked his way up through the ranks once he transitioned to NASCAR going through the Trucks, Xfinity and the Cup Series. Do you remember the feud Ambrose and Boris Said had at Mexico? Ambrose tried to smooth things over on live TV after that wearing one of the "Said Heads" but Boris wasn't having any of it. Said & Greg Biffle had a run in at Watkins Glen after that.

I don’t really understand all the nuances of Pit Stall rules and etiquette but it seems that many of the Drivers say Gibbs didn't do anything wrong. I watched Denny Hamlin's Podcast earlier and he said something like the Tire Changer in the other stall needed to get him and his tires out of the way. Glad that wasn't worse than what it was..

Well you sent me down the YouTube Rabbit Hole watching Ambrose/Boris videos. Thanks for letting me know about the Mexico incident. I had never heard/seen it before. Ambrose just seemed to be a real talent at getting under drivers skin all while having that Cheesy Grin on his face haha.

When viewing the Mexico incident they should have to watch this first starting at the 1:50 mark when they seem like long lost brothers.


The on Track Incident. Im not sure if Boris was a little loose or Ambrose got him a little loose but to me the big crime is Marcos just blasts right through Boris once Boris starts to spin.


Boris letting Ambrose's Crew Chief have it

 

[PickSixKing]

What i always remember Marcos for is him vs. Robby Gordon in the Nationwide Race in Montreal.. I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but I always loved Robby. I get it that he was a jackwagon half the time but I just always seemed to love to watch the trainwrecks he created.

I don't blame him for being mad at the Montreal race. He's in 1st or 2nd and Ambrose wrecks him under caution and NASCAR tries to put Robby in 13th. Robby then grabs the steering will with the proverbial double birds and doesn't budge. Then he proceeds to spin Ambrose and race to the finish line 1st while ignoring the black flag. Not defending how he responded just saying I'd be mad too. Ambrose was a hell of a driver. I didn't care for him a bunch when he was racing but he could get it done on the track.



If I remember correctly Robby was ultimately suspended and extended an olive branch to Ambrose by offering to let him drive his cup car. I don't think Ambrose did/could but I come wrong.
Would have liked to see Ambrose drive Robby's Garbage Speed Energy car haha.


More chaos created by Ambrose

 

[TCPUKChamps]

Buescher is due and beat SVG straight up at The Glen last year. Really impressed with Preece this year also. Wonder what Brad thinks about this year. Just can't get out of his own way.

Also, who's gonna be in the 48 next year? I know Bowmans deal runs through 2026 I believe but if he doesn't win a race I wonder if they'll cut him loose. My best guess is Hocevar one more year at Spire and he moves to the 48 in 2027.