The boogeyman “injury factor” is goofy AF. Most of these guys are wrestling 12 months out of the year. But this is the event to be avoided. <Insert air wank>
National Duals, '25, thread
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Hilarious. You nailed it, except for our staff laughing at Ryan. I feel sorry for Ryan. I suspect our staff does too. His team has this opportunity to participate is this great event. They are super excited and ready to do their best. Wrestling fans everywhere will be tuning in to follow the action.
And Ryan spends time talking about a team who is not participating. Good Lord, his wrestlers know he isn’t dialed in. Cael lives rent free in our leaders head.
SMH
Exactly. While any team championship will always be dominated by the big programs, The current tournament gives the smaller programs a chance to shine with an All-American or even the occasional champ.
I'm not in favor of anything that takes away from the current championship format. If you want to make the Dual Tournament for the team championship, when are you going to have it? If you put it anywhere but at the end of the season, it devalues any of the dual meets that come after the Dual tourney. If you place it at the end of the dual season, you're adding yet another meatgrinder on top of the conference & national tournaments.
One small thing just popped into my head. Say you made the lone championship a dual one. You’d potentially get coaches making decisions to bump guys from their “natural” weight to get specific matchups like they occasionally do in tightly contested duals. Without an individual championship that dynamic could get kinda weird.
what takes away from it is you get into a situation like football... early losses don't count...as much
It would be in mid December that's the sweet spot for it
Mock PSU lineup if they did send backups/guys not on u23 team to this (not breaking RS)
125: Desmond
133: Garcia
141: Perry/Nasdeo
149: Pierce
157: Sealey
165: Beckett
174/184: Henckel/Asher
197: Mirasola
285: Cochran
This isn't a team that could win it, but I also don't think it would be necessarily be the worst team in the current tournament.
125: Desmond
133: Garcia
141: Perry/Nasdeo
149: Pierce
157: Sealey
165: Beckett
174/184: Henckel/Asher
197: Mirasola
285: Cochran
This isn't a team that could win it, but I also don't think it would be necessarily be the worst team in the current tournament.
I think the heavier thinkers in here have never been in the backups could win it all camp.
Early November for a "championship" is pure lunacy if not just an out right fantasy.
Ignore the moment our incoming freshmen are freestyle studs and already in mat shape, they have spent what a week practicing folk full time?
We have two going as starters partially because their alternates burn redshirts of we don't.
So having true freshman forced into a team duals championship, with multiple matches against much of the best in the nation, with 2 weeks of practice and no other folk duals under their belts after several intense freestyle tourneys makes sense?
With a real team championship on the line, 'might' PSU go with Kasak, Davis or even Ono for that matter?
Why force any program to make choices like that in November?
Not even close.
If folks are really serious or butthurt by all of this (yep that means you Tom you big jagoff):
1). Move it to January or later
2). Move it to a neutral venue that doesn't directly benefit any one participant either financially, or as a home team sleeping in their own beds
3). Allow all redshirts up to 5 free dates, heck if vets got even 3, then you might have something
If Cael passes then, I would still defend his choice, but at least the argument is closer to legit.
Ignore the moment our incoming freshmen are freestyle studs and already in mat shape, they have spent what a week practicing folk full time?
We have two going as starters partially because their alternates burn redshirts of we don't.
So having true freshman forced into a team duals championship, with multiple matches against much of the best in the nation, with 2 weeks of practice and no other folk duals under their belts after several intense freestyle tourneys makes sense?
With a real team championship on the line, 'might' PSU go with Kasak, Davis or even Ono for that matter?
Why force any program to make choices like that in November?
Not even close.
If folks are really serious or butthurt by all of this (yep that means you Tom you big jagoff):
1). Move it to January or later
2). Move it to a neutral venue that doesn't directly benefit any one participant either financially, or as a home team sleeping in their own beds
3). Allow all redshirts up to 5 free dates, heck if vets got even 3, then you might have something
If Cael passes then, I would still defend his choice, but at least the argument is closer to legit.
I’m thinking PSU wrestling makes more money hosting a home meet on Friday than winning $200k at national duals.
Also, as we see at PIAA Duals every year: buckets of forfeits.
Because once you've clinched this round, keep the rest of the team fresh for the next round.
Incentives matter. A concept lost on the national duals advocates.
That lineup gets a heck of a lot saltier if you wave the magic “redshirt stays intact” wand though.
Vs. Iowa I think we’d lose on bonus.
125: Desmond L4
133: Ono W3
141: Davis Toss
149: Pierce W3
157: Kasak W3
165: Beckett L5
174: Henckel L3
184: Asher L4
197: Mirasola W3
285: Cochran L3
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If you're letting Kasak back in at 157, then I think you'd see Sealey bump up to 165. Not that it makes much difference, as Cali probably bonuses him, too, but maybe L4 instead of L5.
In the case of a mid December National Duals, would the winning team be considered the 2025 championship team? Is there any sport that contests a season (yearly) championship any other time but end of season?
Yeah, but we don't understand. It is a special logic.
That's one of my points as well, although probably last on my list.
I also feel that the current tournament structure is a better measure of team championship as the talent pool is much deeper than just the selected few teams in a dual tournament.
Agreed, and in theory a team 'could' win a with only 4 match bonus wins and 6 losses in a dual format. Hardly an indicator for the real strength of the team.
It doesn't make sense to have any "National Championship" tournament anywhere but the end of the end of the season. No other NCAA sport is conducted this way.
The closest examples would be Nascar, professional golf, and professional tennis. None of these are team sports.
Ah, got it. I am proud to say I did not even read Tan tom's remarks.He was referring to Tan Tom’s remarks, not Cael’s.
What is laughable is that all these coaches “WANT” PSU at the duals. They “WANT” PSU there to grow the sport. But do they REALLY want us there? Like Cael said, “we’re pretty good at duals.” They might not like it when they get what they wish for and we go home with all the gold one of these days. Me thinks they don’t really want us there, they just want to grandstand after the fact.
The champ will still come from the tournament. They want to change things to duals but that's been the plan for years and they've not been able to do it yet.
My mid December sweet spot I was meaning for next year is my opinion. But I have since found out next year the Duals will be around the same date next year
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I don't agree with changing anything and hope the NCAA tournament stays the team champ and that never changes. I was saying it's the best time for the current event and not mid November. But they're sticking with November again next year
Exactly SRATH. It’s why I’ve always felt this is a waste of time. Why should our guys keep wrestling the same kids three and four and five times in the same season, ridiculous. There’s nothing for us to gain in that model and really nothing for the competition to gain if they keep racking up losses to us
We have an open on Saturday, but I have half a mind to tweet at Tom Ryan’s anti-vax *** every time he ducks a marquee/ranked matchup.
While I do heartily subscribe to the philosophy that when the horse dies, dismount, the fact of the matter is that some group of selectors decided which teams would be invited and which would be excluded. But the selectors are upset that a team chose not to be included. Seems a bit unfair.