Teams were selected by NCAA team finish last year top 12. Which was 11 when Penn st said no. The remaining 5 teams were done by lottery using the teams who placed 13-24. Wasn't actually people selecting
National Duals, '25, thread
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I understand what you're saying, but since AI bots didn't come up with the selection criteria and process and "people" did... It was "people" who did the selecting. I get your point (and @Headlock's point), but anyone could choose not to go to this event and certainly should not be judged for such a choice. Especially since this only crowns the "Paycom" champ anyway. I hope they give out 5th and 6th place Richison medals to show the real national tournament how things are done.
So … wouldn’t any top kid try to project the top teams in the dual format and choose from among only them if he wants A title? Would they give out AA status like in 2020 without settling it on the mat? Could this actually make the sport concentrate talent even more?
So if I understand your point, the eventual "winner" for this year is determined from last year's performance.
Well there is one team, from the best conference in the country, that is poised to break the all time longest dual wins streak, later this year.
I think that settles it.
I think that settles it.
0:00 - Intro & Penn State Not Being at The National Duals
16:55 - Lineup Notes
22:00 - Iowa vs Missouri to Kick Us Off
27:20 - Little Rock/Illinois and other 10am EST Duals
35:10 - 12pm Duals, Bottom Side of Bracket
44:30 - Ohio State vs Nebraska
49:00 - Oklahoma State vs Iowa
01:03:00 - Quick Penn State Note from Willie
01:06:30 - Notables not in the Lineup
01:07:53 - Who Makes the Finals?
01:10:30 - Iowa vs Nebraska Potential Dual
01:14:00 - Oklahoma State vs Ohio State Potential
01:18:30 - Ohio State vs Iowa Potential
01:21:10 - Nebraska vs Ohio State
01:25:30 - Penn State Opens Their Season vs Oklahoma
No the winner will be determined on the mat this weekend. The field was constructed from last years results. No other way to do it with scheduling the field needs to be set in April/May before school even ends. Nobody even knows who will be at what school at that point
If coaches want to talk about growing the sport, maybe they should stop sitting there healthy wrestlers when a good team comes to town. I would be extremely upset to shell out hundreds of dollars to take my grandkids to a match, only to find out a bunch of back ups were wrestling. I really admired Missouri last season when they were honest and told the fans well in advance that some of their starters weren't wrestling.
Smith is pretty good about that; Dresser historically is pretty open about it as well I believe
Not exactly contesting a yearly championship mid year but the closest comparison/precedent I believe would be collegiate tennis; the fall season is individuals (or doubles) whereas the spring season is team. I'm not saying it's the right decision but I believe the vision for a mid-December national duals would be similar - duals season first semester and individual focus second semester.
Maybe I should rephrase my thought. To be a 2025 Team champ, you needed to qualify by last year's performance. An underperforming team from last year may not be invited in 2025, regardless of recruiting, portal and maturing that was focused on contending in 2025. While your statement that the winner will be determined on the mat, that determination will be limited to only the best teams of 2024.
I think it's foolish to think that these people don't wanna make it the national tournament. Just follow the money this is not about necessarily growing your sport it's about growing their individual pocketbook and taking more control of the sport for their own financial gain.
I've watched sports all my life, for over 50 years and every time somebody's been doing something good for the game it was good for the bottom line not necessarily good for fans.
And in a 5 year period I bet 1 or 2 teams would be left out that shouldn't be in. Iowa st this year has a good team but had lots of injuries last year and were outside the top 24. Believe me some smart wrestling people are involved and with the event being early in the season and the teams needing to be picked in April/May for scheduling purposes there is really no other way of doing it. You can't use dual meet rankings because they're not out yet nobody even knows rosters yet. Is it perfect no but it's the best way
Tickets sales weren't good. They are offering $10 tickets to youth wrestlers. Wrestling doesn't have a ton of fans . Most decide between conference weekend or NCAA some will do both but those are diehards. Now we are asking those same people to go to Tulsa as well. I'm staying home and watching on TV. After 27 years in a row attending NCAAs I now stay home in AZ and watch on TV. I can watch all 8 mats on 2 TVs at the event you can only focus on 1 or 2 and I miss to much wrestling. I'm not going out afterwards and drinking all night anymore I go to the hotel and sleep so spending all the money and missing matches isn't worth it anymore.
It's all donations from Paycom so as long as he's donating it will happen
they can call it a national duals tournament and then call the winner the tournament champion - just like a midlands or scuffle champion. The non or casual fan tunes in for a person or individual matches they have heard about. Not a team. Heck even I fast forward when watching btn matches of other teams that I've recorded.
NCAA will only give out one . This isn't hard at All Americans are NWCA all Americans. They can call it the NWCA National dual champs but that's not good enough I guess. They really want this to become the NCAA team championship .
I may have missed it, but I haven't heard or seen any clamoring about turning this new event into the new NCAA team championship tournament.
I know the history, but it doesn't seem to be Richison's immediate motivation.
If i missed something than I apologize for my ignorance.
Corby2, repeating the statement fails to make it correct. There are no doubt, avenues to create a team championship different from the one chosen that relies on a previous year's performance. It seems to me that any viable 2025-2026 team championship should reflect 2025-2026 performances and be available to all teams that meet a fair selection criteria in the same year. "No other way to do it" is politely, "horsefeathers". The overall desire of some to create an alternative to the current NCAA championships is in the "ready, fire. aim" realm of design and is being defended by you and others as needed and thoughtfully planned. It is neither in my humble opinion.
Essentially just a cool, early-season dual tournament that should provide many exciting bouts. It doesn’t have to be anything other than that to be worthwhile for its creators, those competing in it, and fans choosing to watch. I’ll selfishly miss not seeing Lions, but do hope it’s a fun, entertaining, injury-free success.